C509, C510, C505, PHC001 & PHC002 - Cowan - July 2020

 
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

With C509, C510 & C505 heading to Lithgow to have new exhaust mufflers Iheaded over to Cowan tonight for one last opportunity to record the awesome sound of these locos working hard.
Enjoy,
BW



https://youtu.be/E7onaMTD988

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  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Love that video
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
The sound of those old C's battling the grade between Eastwood and Epping was always great, will be sad to hear their old roar go
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Arr - muffler, shmuffler.  Pity we can't lay charges of sacrilege.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Really pathetic of the epa to dictate what noise diesel locos can make, only positive is the C’s will get similar mufflers to the G’s & not the VL’s, which would really make them quiet. Glad I got some footage myself of C’s
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Really pathetic of the epa to dictate what noise diesel locos can make, only positive is the C’s will get similar mufflers to the G’s & not the VL’s, which would really make them quiet. Glad I got some footage myself of C’s
greasyrhys
It isn’t noise, it’s music.
And yes. I can hear’em from place.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Werris Creek to Botany loading was quite large  bigger than I expected is this a newish service from SSR?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The Werris Creek to Botany loading was quite large  bigger than I expected is this a newish service from SSR?
bevans

The Crawford's Werris Creek to Botany service - SSR just provide crews and some train management.

3 x return trains per week since late May, mainly containerised logs for export. Previously handled adhoc by Sydney Rail Services.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Some people on here really don't appreciate how loud some of these loco's can be climbing in and out of Sydney. It isn't music to everyone's ears and when the sound reverbs around the big towers of Sydney and it's suburbs it can become quite tiresome to residents.

It isn't the bigger loco's like the C's that are the problem in any case. With 3,000hp per unit the C's can pull the grades without the whole city hearing them especially if they are hooked up together or with units like the SSR, G, RL, BRM or the freshly purchased CL classes. These 3,000+ HP units are what SSR need more of for use in Sydney if they can get their hands on them. A fresh tune is all that these units need.

What they shouldn't be using in Sydney is the 422, 442, 45, 48, 49, 600, 80, 830, B (B61 should be sent back for BG duty), GM and the L class. These trains need to be left for duty west of the range on the flat plains.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm sure simstrain is right, and I suspect others would agree too.  

We have to live with people who don't like the music made by 16 cylinders; we just have to feel sorry for their lack of culture.Laughing
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I'm sure simstrain is right, and I suspect others would agree too.  

We have to live with people who don't like the music made by 16 cylinders; we just have to feel sorry for their lack of culture.Laughing
Valvegear
Must admit, I’m enjoying the huge reduction in aircraft noise due to the shutdown at present.

Did hear some of that 16 cylinder music last night and quick look at Anytime tracker, revealed an SSR train.
  The_trolley Deputy Commissioner

Location: Banned
Some people on here really don't appreciate how loud some of these loco's can be climbing in and out of Sydney. It isn't music to everyone's ears and when the sound reverbs around the big towers of Sydney and it's suburbs it can become quite tiresome to residents.

It isn't the bigger loco's like the C's that are the problem in any case. With 3,000hp per unit the C's can pull the grades without the whole city hearing them especially if they are hooked up together or with units like the SSR, G, RL, BRM or the freshly purchased CL classes. These 3,000+ HP units are what SSR need more of for use in Sydney if they can get their hands on them. A fresh tune is all that these units need.

What they shouldn't be using in Sydney is the 422, 442, 45, 48, 49, 600, 80, 830, B (B61 should be sent back for BG duty), GM and the L class. These trains need to be left for duty west of the range on the flat plains.
simstrain

You started strong but unfortunately trailed off. Still, a great post getting to the heart of why old EMD's in particular aren't welcomed by the public (the public outnumber do outnumber gunzels by miles afterall). To correct the record though, the C's, G's, BRM's etc (3000hp) are working as hard or harder than any of the older loco's out of Sydney. They're climbing the same grades shouldering heavier loads. If they do make easier work of the grade due to a lighter trailing load they're still in eight throttle notch (maximum power) as the driver uses the extra power to climb the grades faster. On the same token, a C is working harder than an much quieter NR, GT46Ace or C44aci does on the same loads. Even on a full load, an NR etc is still quieter.

Getting into a discussion on SSR motive power, operating and industrial relations choices on a railfan forum is like showing up to a Byron Bay mothers group and trying to discuss the benefits of vacinating your kids. They won't hear of it and we'll all get a sore head and leave despondent. I will say quickly say though, when you show up at Tahmoor Colliery, a colliery which had been served for twenty years prior by relatively quiet 82 classes that the neighbouring residents barely knew were there, but with four C classes out of the blue what do you expect (a real life example of complaints to government authorities about C class noise and SSR)? You can get defensive, you can get sour grapes, you can throw your arms up in the air and say what about the little Aussie battler all you like. At the end of the day though you're the one that went against the grain and lobbed in the neighbourhood like the new noisy WRX owner in a street of pensioners.

In the UK where Euro laws dominate (much stricter than the laws here which some are attempting to cry a river over), GBRF is rebuilding BR Class 56's at Progress Rail with EMD 12-710 engines turning them into Class 66 spin-off's. That's how a forward thinking, competive rail operator gets around emissions and noise laws. Here we have some 1990's rebuild CL's which are rated to haul less than their other 3000hp stable-mates in NSW due to their inferior traction control systems having their fluids topped up in a backyard siding and then unleashed on the world (the CLP and CLF reactivations should be having the same mufflers fitted as the C's and would be if SSR and the authorities were fair dinkum. Afterall, they're as loud or louder than the C's are).

If I stand beside the Hume Highway it's a long time before a 1970s White prime-mover will show up. Privatised rail freight has had it pretty good on an environmental and (motive) power level since its inception. Much better than other industries like road and air. SSR's competition is investing in quiet C44's that'll climb over the top of SSR's motive power and then keep going into the distance. Do you want a competitive industry which actually does get freight onto rail, is a good citizen and has a good public presence or do you want CLP's and C's?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I personally don't care for the C's and CLP's (although the CLP's did look great in white) as many of our Victorian and SSR fans on here do. I personally would love to see SSR bite the bullet and buy more of the GT46Ace or C44aci that could actually help keep Australian's employed at EDI and UGL. I think it is time to put these old things in to heritage operation in a museum out west somewhere but I suspect that those in charge at SSR are more fanboy then businessman and will continue to try and buy more old loco's instead.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I think it is time to put these old things in to heritage operation in a museum out west somewhere but I suspect that those in charge at SSR are more fanboy then businessman and will continue to try and buy more old loco's instead.
simstrain
Gunzellish they may be, but I think that's a bit unfair. SSR seems to be making a go of various contracts the majors aren't interested in and I'd heartily congratulate them for it.

If that involves buying up a half-dozen 3000HP CL's for the price of one C44ACi, then that's good business sense. Two triples, or two doubles with a spare pair is two trains that they can haul. From a Driver's point of view, I know I'd rather work a CF over a CL, but if it was a choice of that CL-powered freighter, or the Centrelink office, I'll take the CL any day of the week.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Some people on here really don't appreciate how loud some of these loco's can be climbing in and out of Sydney. It isn't music to everyone's ears and when the sound reverbs around the big towers of Sydney and it's suburbs it can become quite tiresome to residents.

It isn't the bigger loco's like the C's that are the problem in any case.
simstrain
The only locos louder than C classes are P classes.
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: On the 1 in 40.
Even with the quieter "high-horsepowers" there's still the grinding of wheelslips to listen to and the sandstorms to admire!

Steve
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: On the 1 in 40.
With C509, C510 & C505 heading to Lithgow to have new exhaust mufflers Iheaded over to Cowan tonight for one last opportunity to record the awesome sound of these locos working hard.
Enjoy,
BW
Bevan Wall
Friday 31st July - C-son finale? A swansong for the Big Band? 4xCs working the Airly Colliery - Eraring Power Station coal circuit up the hill today (510/509/506/504). Noisy much! No doubt there'll be some video posted here later.

Steve
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Well, with that said, hopefully Bevan Wall has something to add to this?

Regards
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Well, with that said, hopefully Bevan Wall has something to add to this?

Regards
davesvline
I'm told two of the Cs that were on that coalie have had the new mufflers fitted. Apparently the bulk of complaints are not from people living trackside in locations that the locos are working through, but from residents around loading points, such as Fassifern, where the locos are either idling or crawling slowly. I guess it is that low frequency "throb" that people dislike.
BW
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm told two of the Cs that were on that coalie have had the new mufflers fitted. Apparently the bulk of complaints are not from people living trackside in locations that the locos are working through, but from residents around loading points, such as Fassifern, where the locos are either idling or crawling slowly. I guess it is that low frequency "throb" that people dislike.
Bevan Wall
What was there first; the residents or the railway?
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: On the 1 in 40.
Well, with that said, hopefully Bevan Wall has something to add to this?

Regards
I'm told two of the Cs that were on that coalie have had the new mufflers fitted. Apparently the bulk of complaints are not from people living trackside in locations that the locos are working through, but from residents around loading points, such as Fassifern, where the locos are either idling or crawling slowly. I guess it is that low frequency "throb" that people dislike.
BW
Bevan Wall
Interesting, thanks for that. I wonder if Beecroft's lineside noise monitor detected any change in the volume or the character of the full-power sound. My ears certainly didn't!

Steve
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I'm told two of the Cs that were on that coalie have had the new mufflers fitted. Apparently the bulk of complaints are not from people living trackside in locations that the locos are working through, but from residents around loading points, such as Fassifern, where the locos are either idling or crawling slowly. I guess it is that low frequency "throb" that people dislike.
What was there first; the residents or the railway?
Valvegear

That is irrelevant. The railways were built and encouraged people to move to places near the railway for work. So loco's have to operate in the modern world and that means quiet loco's. Just as cars, trucks and planes have had to change.
  PeeJay Junior Train Controller

Location: Riverstone NSW
My vote for the loudest loco in Sydney is 44204. Last time I saw it pass it was well over safe hearing limits, never mind noise pollution limits!

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