The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Wife went to Aldi its was pretty much empty
"doyle"
Empty of stock or empty of customers?

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  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Sorry yes empty of stock
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I think the one person per household rule doesn't have much scientific backing.  If they normally stay in the same room if not the same bed, they would be all infected anyway as long as one of them has already been.
"route14"


The Europeans did the one person at a time rule. It limits the number of people in the shops and potentially mixing /proximity with others. So even if they do have it, less likely to spread.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Most diplomats? I am not sure we have had a case of ANY diplomat doing the wrong thing. They're generally well educated people, with resources allowing them to comply and have no desire to 'create an international incident'.
"Aaron"


Generally yes, but no guarantees to be all.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Business/industry level restrictions now introduced in Melbourne with most starting at at 23:59 on Wednesday night. This is now a REAL lockdown on the way.

I am guessing there is going to be a huge run on the supermarkets over the next 2 days.
Supermarkets are staying open.  It's KMart/Bunnings/Target/JBHifi that are going to have a run on their stores.  They are going Click and Collect/Delivery only in Melbourne from Thursday.
Carnot
Remember the toilet paper thing earlier this year? The shelves will be stripped regardless of whether doing so is rational.
"justapassenger"


I'm expecting / hoping the supermarkets are better organised and the govt likely has already had meetings to  prevent a repeat. Limit of quantities per person, going back to selling no bigger than twin / quad packs etc.

If you still face issues, go to Bunnings and buy a bum gun, trust me once you try it you will never remove it! And no I don't mean going full Indian with the left hand. This just like washing the car, give it rinse first to remove the less caked on dirt then wipe the remains off with paper! Toilet paper lasts SOOOO much longer this way.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Alan Kohler writing in the Australian today:

Morgan Stanley commissioned a survey of mortgagors as part of some research on the impact of the coronavirus, and found that 55 per cent of them have received some form of income support.

To repeat: more than half those with a mortgage are getting (mostly) government help!Only 8 per cent were using the banks’ repayment holiday, while 22 per cent were on JobKeeper, 15 per cent on JobSeeker, 24 per cent had received one or more of the $750 one-off payments and 11 per cent had taken early super.

The real shocker in my view is that 15 per cent of those surveyed with a mortgage are on the dole, now $557.85 per week, so presumably they can afford repayments. It will soon come down to $407.85, until December 31, and then return to the old rate of $282.85 a week in January, or $40.41 per day. Call it what you like — dole, Newstart, JobSeeker — no one getting it services a mortgage.

That is an incredibly scary figure - 55% of Australians with mortgages are reliant on some kind of government support to help them keep paying off their houses - and of all mortgage holders 15% are actually now on the dole (not Job-Keeper). You have to wonder what's going to happen when all this government support runs out in January - are they just going to keep kicking the can down the road? Seems likely.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The wife and I have been discussing the likelihood of buying some cheap realestate in the coming year, I think there will be a lot of payment stressed mortgages and interest is still at junk level.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The wife and I have been discussing the likelihood of buying some cheap realestate in the coming year, I think there will be a lot of payment stressed mortgages and interest is still at junk level.
Aaron
Really hard to know what will happen; my theory is that they simply won't be able to withdraw all this support by January because the economy will still need it; things are much worse than we're being led to believe. Official rates were already at record lows before the virus - presently at 0.25% - and you can get a mortgage for around the 2.5% mark which would have been unfathomable once upon a time. My intuition is that we could be in for a bout of 1970's style stagflation as we emerge from this COVID thing in which case they'll have to raise interest rates suddenly leading to possible bank insolvencies - but who knows?

The curse of living in interesting times...
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Newsagents are still open in Victoria's stage 4 lockdowns.

Why are Newsagents considered an essential service?
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Probably because that's where people can pay bills and do some banking and gambling. In my area, the newsagent is the lifeblood of the town because the banks have packed up and left as has the post orifice and just about everything else.

The banks keep insisting that everything can be done over the phone or web, but the last bank to leave about 2 years ago said the same thing, and when you ring their non existent customer service and eventually get your call answered they tell you that you have to go into a branch to do that, even though it was once possible over the phone.

This customer service call might take place if your Telstra NBN is working because mobile coverage is nil. NBN not working? Stick a fork in it. Don't bother calling telstra who has offshored customer support. Their technicians servicing the copper fttn network have left the building.

So to conclude rant, the newsagent provides an essential service. Even in a capital city it seems.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
ANR is right, and in a capital city, how about something as mundane as who else do you buy PT tickets from?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Newsagents are still open in Victoria's stage 4 lockdowns.

Why are Newsagents considered an essential service?
Gayspie
99% sure the Lotto companies held a gun to Dan Andrews' head.  He was the former gaming minister in 2006-07.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Seems a substantial cause of the Melbourne uptick in cases can be traced back to quarantine failures and the use of dodgy private security, yet Scumo’s plan for economic recovery is further deregulation and abolishing of red tape. What could go wrong?

The covert COVID commission, bounded by cabinet in confidence, has engaged the services of a communications firm, founded by former liberal staffers. They’re taking the piSS surely.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/02/covid-19-commission-grants-communications-contract-to-firm-headed-by-ex-liberal-staffers
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
99% sure the Lotto companies held a gun to Dan Andrews' head.  He was the former gaming minister in 2006-07.
"Carnot"
Trust you to put the worst possible interpretation on something without a shred of evidence to back it up. Isn't it just a teeny weeny bit possible that the reasons given by ANR were considered?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
NSW records 12 new cases, only one a traveller
There have been 12 new cases of coronavirus in NSW overnight, with only one of the new cases found in a returned traveller from overseas.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Out of 3000 house checks on positive cases in Vic, 800 weren't there...

$4957 fine for not complying now if you're meant to self-isolate.  Repeat offenders to cop up to $20000 in front of a magistrate.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Victoria has recorded another 439 cases of coronavirus since yesterday. Eleven more people have died.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Repeat offenders should clearly be locked up in immigration detention centres
  Carnot Minister for Railways

From the ABC live feed.  It's jungle out there, especially in Franga:

"The vast majority who are doing the right thing, need to understand for those who aren't there is a consequence. And there are consequences."
           
The Police Commissioner said "on at least four occasions in the last week, we've had to smash the windows of cars and pull people out to provide details because they weren't adhering to the Chief Health Officer guidelines - they weren't providing their name and address.
           
"We don't want to be doing that, but people have to absolutely understand there are consequences for your actions and if you're not doing the right thing, we will not hesitate to issue infringements, to arrest you, to detain you where it's appropriate."
           
The Commissioner highlighted one instance where a police woman was assaulted.
                   
"Last night a 26-year-old policewoman was on patrol with another partner down in a Frankston area near the Bayside shopping centre.
                 
"During that time, they approached a 38-year-old woman, who wasn't wearing a mask.
               
"After a confrontation and being assaulted by that woman, those police officers went to ground and there was a scuffle. And during that scuffle, this 38-year-old woman smashed the head of the policewoman several times into a concrete area on the ground.
               
"That behaviour is just totally unacceptable."
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
@Carnot I am expecting these issues to get worse and expect some civil disorder going into September.

Why are people who have the virus and who are required to stay home leaving home?   This is exactly where the police should be looking to when controlling the spread.  if they are not there throw them into a detention cenrre.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has announced a new $4957 fine for people with coronavirus or their close contacts who breach the requirement to isolate for a second time. The measure comes after Australian Defence Force and Department of Health and Human Services teams found 800 of 3000 people they doorknocked, who should have been isolating, were not home.

The government has also moved to remove a loophole which until now has explicitly permitted positive cases to leave their homes for exercise.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

@Carnot I am expecting these issues to get worse and expect some civil disorder going into September.

Why are people who have the virus and who are required to stay home leaving home?   This is exactly where the police should be looking to when controlling the spread.  if they are not there throw them into a detention cenrre.
bevans
And apparently cop bashing woman in Franga was bailed....
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has announced a new $4957 fine for people with coronavirus or their close contacts who breach the requirement to isolate for a second time. The measure comes after Australian Defence Force and Department of Health and Human Services teams found 800 of 3000 people they doorknocked, who should have been isolating, were not home.

The government has also moved to remove a loophole which until now has explicitly permitted positive cases to leave their homes for exercise.
bevans
There were enough loopholes to drive a truck through them...  Anyway, apparently Covid-19 makes you so tired that you can't exercise.  I suspect many of the people may have been home but:
1) Were asleep.
2) Scared of whoever was knocking on their door.
3) Too bedridden to make it to the front door.

Hard to police in all honesty unless they track their mobile phones or bust down their door like other countries have done.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Sorry yes empty of stock
doyle

It's probably helpful to advise where the Aldi is. My local Aldi's are operating as per normal.

Mike.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Probably because that's where people can pay bills and do some banking and gambling. In my area, the newsagent is the lifeblood of the town because the banks have packed up and left as has the post orifice and just about everything else.

The banks keep insisting that everything can be done over the phone or web, but the last bank to leave about 2 years ago said the same thing, and when you ring their non existent customer service and eventually get your call answered they tell you that you have to go into a branch to do that, even though it was once possible over the phone.

This customer service call might take place if your Telstra NBN is working because mobile coverage is nil. NBN not working? Stick a fork in it. Don't bother calling telstra who has offshored customer support. Their technicians servicing the copper fttn network have left the building.

So to conclude rant, the newsagent provides an essential service. Even in a capital city it seems.
ANR
"The last bank to leave town two years ago..." Are you living close by to a suburban shopping strip or are you in an actual small town? Just curious.

Every time I go into my bank they badger me to sign up for internet banking (as I still do phone banking) but every time I ask them if they'll indemnify me against phishing they go cold. If it's such a safe product to use then why won't they cover me if I get phished?

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