Major changes to Transport Services in Victoria from August 5 due to covid restrictions

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 04 Aug 2020 13:36
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Seems the government is planning on winding back transport services in the state from Wednesday (tomorrow) which is likely to include a vastly reduced timetable post 8pm to 5am.

Overnight services on weekends will be cancelled.

What will happen to V/Line services?

Major changes to Transport Services in Victoria from August 5 due to covid restrictions

Sponsored advertisement

  route14 Chief Commissioner

Yarra Trams announced on its website that tram frequency during curfew hours will be up to 40 minutes.  It also referred to the PTV website for further details, which hasn't been updated yet.  There is also nowhere to view which services will be 40 minutes apart.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Seems the government is planning on winding back transport services in the state from Wednesday (tomorrow) which is likely to include a vastly reduced timetable post 8pm to 5am.

Overnight services on weekends will be cancelled.

What will happen to V/Line services?

Major changes to Transport Services in Victoria from August 5 due to covid restrictions
bevans
Probably a good idea due to the curfew and far few people travelling on the network after 8pm and will save operational costs, as long as all services run until midnight, e.g trains every hour to cater for essential workers who still need to work beyond the curfew times.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

The problem with this huge gap between services is cancellations. Breakdowns happen. 80 mins wait for your next service in the middle of winter? nice.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Cancelled tram services have now appeared on Yarra Trams' website.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
What will happen to V/Line services?  
bevans
V/Line is going to continue to operate as per usual.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The 2AM coaches are definitely suspended though.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
What will happen to V/Line services?  
V/Line is going to continue to operate as per usual.
jakar

Thanks for the info, which is handy for my situation.

Drivers and conductors still have to be paid whether they are on duty on the train or sitting in the depot. The only actual costs are the diesel to operate almost empty trains.

Mike
  richter170 Locomotive Driver

https://www.vline.com.au/Service-Changes/Planned-Disruptions/2020/August/Mildura-coach-service-changes

Mildura coach from Melbourne to Mildura via Ballarat will commence as a train to Ballarat and change to the road coach from the 10th of August. Same in reverse.

If I was a regular I would prefer to catch the train part way. It will probably be difficult with the amount of luggage and overnight passengers to transfer at Ballarat.

Richter.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Sounds reasonable.  Originally on week nights there is a Ballarat train scheduled to depart SCS at exactly the same time as the coach, and on week mornings (Sun. to Thu. departure from Mildura) the Melbourne bound service is listed as two trips but is actually the same coach.  One as a direct coach service and another with a transfer to a train service.  It means those who are in a hurry may transfer to the train and those who wish to have an undisturbed non-stop run into SCS may remain on the coach.  The train option is always available so there is no extra task for train operation.  The only problem is Saturday morning (Friday departure from Mildura).  You'll need to wait longer for the first scheduled train.  V/Line is less likely to run another connecting train with the current patronage.
    There is no Saturday evening departure.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Sounds reasonable.  Originally on week nights there is a Ballarat train scheduled to depart SCS at exactly the same time as the coach, and on week mornings (Sun. to Thu. departure from Mildura) the Melbourne bound service is listed as two trips but is actually the same coach.  One as a direct coach service and another with a transfer to a train service.  It means those who are in a hurry may transfer to the train and those who wish to have an undisturbed non-stop run into SCS may remain on the coach.  The train option is always available so there is no extra task for train operation.  The only problem is Saturday morning (Friday departure from Mildura).  You'll need to wait longer for the first scheduled train.  V/Line is less likely to run another connecting train with the current patronage.

    There is no Saturday evening departure.
route14


Streamlining the service makes sense, however I refuse to call it a 'coach' as it's a glorified school bus with little leg room, hard seats, strangling seat belts, conventional not air suspension and an almost useless toilet that's in the mix of the other Swan Hill Buslines now clapped out and well overdue for replacement V/Line liveried buses that ply the route from Mildura to Swan Hill and vice versa.

Some of these buses do over 1,000Km a day... which is probably why they do NOT have air suspension Exclamation

This route has always been by far the least patronised service SCS to/from Mildura averaging around 15+ pax per journey.

Think about this anomaly... I reckon it's astonishing that almost 30 years after the axing of The Vinelander, there's no Saturday overnight bus service. This goes back to the Vinelander days when Saturday was the only day there was no train which gave the local Mildura based crew a day off as well as the station staff etc along the line.

Furthermore, my VR public timetable from 1961, shows no Saturday service, so this no Saturday service anomaly probably goes back to the early 1950's steam age days when Operation Phoenix commenced and long before some Railpagers parents were born as I don't have a t/t for this era.

Mike.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

V/line patronage is now down to 6% of what it was this time last year.  That's a lot of diesel going up in smoke.

Metro patronage only slightly higher.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways


Think about this anomaly... I reckon it's astonishing that almost 30 years after the axing of The Vinelander, there's no Saturday overnight bus service. This goes back to the Vinelander days when Saturday was the only day there was no train which gave the local Mildura based crew a day off as well as the station staff etc along the line.

Furthermore, my VR public timetable from 1961, shows no Saturday service, so this no Saturday service anomaly probably goes back to the early 1950's steam age days when Operation Phoenix commenced and long before some Railpagers parents were born as I don't have a t/t for this era.

Mike.
The Vinelander


There was no Saturday overnight service in the 1954 timetable.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
V/line patronage is now down to 6% of what it was this time last year.  That's a lot of diesel going up in smoke.

Metro patronage only slightly higher.
Carnot

How can they be slightly higher?  There is 4 people per carriage on the trains which pass me.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

V/line patronage is now down to 6% of what it was this time last year.  That's a lot of diesel going up in smoke.

Metro patronage only slightly higher.

How can they be slightly higher?  There is 4 people per carriage on the trains which pass me.
bevans
Slight correction - V/line are running at 6% of capacity.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
V/line patronage is now down to 6% of what it was this time last year.  That's a lot of diesel going up in smoke.

Metro patronage only slightly higher.

How can they be slightly higher?  There is 4 people per carriage on the trains which pass me.
Slight correction - V/line are running at 6% of capacity.
Carnot

How that makes sense Smile

But at the same time they continue to run large sets across the network and not two set and 3 set trains only.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

Think about this anomaly... I reckon it's astonishing that almost 30 years after the axing of The Vinelander, there's no Saturday overnight bus service. This goes back to the Vinelander days when Saturday was the only day there was no train which gave the local Mildura based crew a day off as well as the station staff etc along the line.

Furthermore, my VR public timetable from 1961, shows no Saturday service, so this no Saturday service anomaly probably goes back to the early 1950's steam age days when Operation Phoenix commenced and long before some Railpagers parents were born as I don't have a t/t for this era.

Mike.

There was no Saturday overnight service in the 1954 timetable.
duttonbay

That's astonishing https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif

Getting right off track a minute, the Westlander and Inlander trains in Queensland are IMO the longest operating services in Australia that commenced operating twice a week from around 1953. These services are still operating in a time warp of a timetable that, although accelerated since those days with occasional changes of operating days still generally reflects the timetable since their inception.

Moving on to the V/Line overnight bus, the lack of a Saturday overnight service to/from Mildura is a case where there has never been a service, even on Easter Saturday which at the height of the Vinelander's popularity would see three divisions of the Vinelander operating from Melbourne...but no Saturday night service.

Mike.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
In theory, when you go away for a weekend, you leave Friday and return Sunday.   Saturday is not required, you are already there, (either Melbourne or Mildura, or places in-between.)
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
In theory, when you go away for a weekend, you leave Friday and return Sunday.   Saturday is not required, you are already there, (either Melbourne or Mildura, or places in-between.)
Donald

That theory may have cut it decades ago, however as the parameters have changed and we no longer have a crew based in Mildura and staff along the line who need a day off every week, the service should now be daily as per all the services via Swan Hill.

Mike.
  richter170 Locomotive Driver

It's the same drivers on the same nights on the coach.

The original way was run the bus down in service on the original 1700 slot from Ballarat it still does now.

The Melbourne driver would then take the coach and form the 2125 Mildura he drove it through to Donald (next day), where there still is a 40min rest break for both drivers.

The Melbourne driver would then take the UP bus that had left Mildura at 2110 the night before and drive that right through to Melbourne arriving at 6.30 am or thereabouts.

Then stable the coach in Melbourne and it was picked up by the Ballarat driver again.

So the Melbourne driver did from around 2030 to 0730 AM next day. Swan Hill went through some drivers as they worked hard hours.

The Mildura driver probably had the easy part as he wasn't dealing with morning trafic on the westgate. Instead dodging roos.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
South Australia have upgraded their border security now making it even harder for trucks to get through and impossible you could say for people in the border to go between states. Is this now affecting grain loading in western Victoria or eastern south Australia ?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

South Australia have upgraded their border security now making it even harder for trucks to get through and impossible you could say for people in the border to go between states. Is this now affecting grain loading in western Victoria or eastern south Australia ?
freightgate
Still plenty of Superfreighter trains etc getting across the border.  And most of them with 80+ wagons.

Not sure what's happening with trucks.  I hear it's rather chaotic atm.

The issue of the hard border closure has made it to Fed Parliament.  David Littleproud has let rip at the State Premiers:
  jesca Beginner

Definitely an action made to protect the state's citizens. Good luck to all! firstchoicebollards.com.au
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Definitely an action made to protect the state's citizens. Good luck to all! firstchoicebollards.com.au
jesca

That is really what has happened at the boarders temporary bollards.

Sponsored advertisement

Subscribers: bevans

Display from: