Suburban Rail Loop (Election promise)

 
  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Skyrailing SRL would take a hammer to the one of the advantages of an underground route: speed/travel times.

Elevated tracks would need to follow major road medians, negotiate tight corners and probably have a real (not perceived real due to media beat-up (Caulfield-Oakleigh skyrail)) public backlash which would be unwelcome.

The docs release to date have the Cheltenham(or Southland) to Box Hill segment with a travel time of 20 minutes... which is lightning fast that would possibly be achievable with elevated tracks up the guts of Warrigal Road or further over on Springvale Road but it'd miss connecting Monash (on a Warrigal Road route) and would probably not connect with Box hill on a Springvale Road route.  

No moron is going to propose demolishing houses for elevated rail pylons so the route can be more direct and link the same amount of nodes the current stage 1 will look to do.

Based on the map of drill sites so far (via [url=https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=16HpNWuvysZAhpH3IOkZvmvDvf8x2XE6E&ll=-37.904797014764384%2C145.13598441967545&z=14]operational incident on twitter[/url]), I did a very rough back of an envelope calculation on distance and times based on the assumption the rolling stock will perform like the Almost Metropolis trains specifically built for Sydney metro.

repost from SSC.

  • Southland-Clayton section is ~8.5-9km.
  • Clayton-Monash is ~2km
  • Monash-Glen Waverley is ~4.5km
  • Glen Waverley-Deakin is ~6.5km
  • Deakin-Box hill is ~3-3.5km
Assumption: (Broadly using stats from the Alstom Metropolis platform specifically built for Sydney Metro) Trains will have 1m/s2 acceleration rate, top speed of 120kph (I've heard 130kph speeds been talked about previously - one of the many things I'd like to see confirmed in the business case whenever/if ever it's friggun well released this year).

20 second stops at each station + ~40 seconds to reach top / near top speed (in which you'd have travelled about ~550-600m), the Southland/Cheltenham-Clayton journey would be:

1 minute (station stop + time to get to top speed) + 6.5-7.0km @ ~100-120kph (~3m55s-3m15s) + 1 min to slow down for Clayton. Let's just say ~6 minutes from Southland to Clayton.

Clayton-Monash would probably not hit top speed, but a ~3ish minute journey.

Monash-Glen Waverley: 1 + 1m30s-1m50s + 1 (~4 min) journey

Glen Waverley-Deakin: 1 + 2-2m30s + 1 (~5 min) journey

Deakin-Box Hill: 1 + 1-1m15s + 1 (3.5 min) journey.

6 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 3.5 = 21.5 minutes end to end.  Note I know I've double-counted stopping time (2 x 20 seconds) at stations - it's padding and there's probably other areas where there's padding too.

Pretty close to the maps on Strategic Assessment docs.

In short: no elevated route is going to link as many nodes nor as fast as the underground route.

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  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Skyrailing SRL would take a hammer to the one of the advantages of an underground route: speed/travel times.

Elevated tracks would need to follow major road medians, negotiate tight corners and probably have a real (not perceived real due to media beat-up (Caulfield-Oakleigh skyrail)) public backlash which would be unwelcome.

The docs release to date have the Cheltenham(or Southland) to Box Hill segment with a travel time of 20 minutes... which is lightning fast that would possibly be achievable with elevated tracks up the guts of Warrigal Road or further over on Springvale Road but it'd miss connecting Monash (on a Warrigal Road route) and would probably not connect with Box hill on a Springvale Road route.  

No moron is going to propose demolishing houses for elevated rail pylons so the route can be more direct and link the same amount of nodes the current stage 1 will look to do.

Based on the map of drill sites so far (via operational incident on twitter), I did a very rough back of an envelope calculation on distance and times based on the assumption the rolling stock will perform like the Almost Metropolis trains specifically built for Sydney metro.

repost from SSC.

  • EDIT a bunch of good analysis, for brevity only.

Pretty close to the maps on Strategic Assessment docs.

In short: no elevated route is going to link as many nodes nor as fast as the underground route.
thanks for the effort @tayser
now clear from the drill holes that the station of interest at the Cheltenham end is

Southland Station, 1239 Nepean Hwy, Cheltenham

Sensible choice

cheers
John
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
We struggle to get trains going above 80 a straight line in the suburban network, I really can't imagine 120 km/h. Case in point, East Richmond to Burnley despite most Lilydale/Belgrave trains being express through both. Given no traffic and all green lights, the 70 tram is probably quicker!