Avon River Bridge at Stratford

 
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Good to see some limited progress but wonder why they did not consider just lifting the old spans off and replacing them?  Was this considered?
bevans
The bridge as a whole is showing it's age. Yes its listed on the heritage register, but its going to cost a small fortune to keep it structurally sound moving forward. The piers themselves a life expired, as well as whats on top. Whats in the river might look robust, but they are over 120 years old at the core. 120 year old concrete and bricks, never mind the timbers, will surely be getting pretty shagged.

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  PE2010 Station Master

Location: Newcastle
The existing old bridge is remaining I heard - who's going to put in the money to maintain it ?  It might be old and now heritage listed but I'm not sure whether it's worth keeping.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
The existing old bridge is remaining I heard - who's going to put in the money to maintain it ?  It might be old and now heritage listed but I'm not sure whether it's worth keeping.
PE2010
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Whilst the bridge is a decent structure, the option of placing the rail trial upon the bridge is always there but the down side of that is it would take the uses away from the town centre but a little signage would bring them around back to the C.B.D. The timber approaches on the flood plain are the most venerable                  You are correct PE2020 it would take lots of money  . The government has always got money to spend on communities whether its protecting street art or grants for people to paint fallen leaves or knit scarves for gum trees .
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The existing old bridge is remaining I heard - who's going to put in the money to maintain it ?  It might be old and now heritage listed but I'm not sure whether it's worth keeping.
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Whilst the bridge is a decent structure, the option of placing the rail trial upon the bridge is always there but the down side of that is it would take the uses away from the town centre but a little signage would bring them around back to the C.B.D. The timber approaches on the flood plain are the most venerable                  You are correct PE2020 it would take lots of money  . The government has always got money to spend on communities whether its protecting street art or grants for people to paint fallen leaves or knit scarves for gum trees .

david harvey
The issue of the old bridge has already been raised and a suitable smeg fight ensued.
In typical Heritage Victoria fashion that put everything on the listing but offer absolutely no funding to maintain what they decree in tablets of stone is "Heritage Listed."  In this case the Water Authority siad not our baby, VLP not up to us, and local Council not our responsibility.  So no doubt it will be left to decay where it becomes a safety haazard and removed by someone.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
If one watches the drone footage supplied by thekingoffoxes and looks for the bridge at 1.20 mins /sec between the Princess Hwy and the Avon River, they will see a small bridge with 3 piers carrying the rail line. Back in 1998 this used to be 2 x 900mm barrel culverts. There was a large flood and the culverts couldn't handle the volume of water from the Avon River which was flooding all the way up to the Princess Hwy.As a result of the culverts being blocked, the railway was washed away and it looked like the end of the line. Fortunately the line was rebuilt and amazingly the engineer’s didn’t renew the culvert with the same 2 barrel design but a  much much larger bridge was constructed. The same type that we see being rebuilt today. Some lessons were learnt. It’s a truly wonderful legacy for the district that a new bridge over the Avon River is being constructed and that this railway has been able to remain open and will continue to flourish into the future.    
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
If one watches the drone footage supplied by thekingoffoxes and looks for the bridge at 1.20 mins /sec between the Princess Hwy

david harvey

It's Princes Highway (masculine) not Princess Highway (feminine).

Always gets me... the number of people who write 'princess'.

M.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

If one watches the drone footage supplied by thekingoffoxes and looks for the bridge at 1.20 mins /sec between the Princess Hwy


It's Princes Highway (masculine) not Princess Highway (feminine).

Always gets me... the number of people who write 'princess'.

M.
The Vinelander
They are just doing it to annoy the smeg out of you.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
If one watches the drone footage supplied by thekingoffoxes and looks for the bridge at 1.20 mins /sec between the Princess Hwy


It's Princes Highway (masculine) not Princess Highway (feminine).

Always gets me... the number of people who write 'princess'.

M.
The Vinelander
Well Michael , for a chap who is sitting at the key board at 0409 am you must be pretty steamed up about the extra letter "S" that was in the word Prince  Highway . Yes these idiosyncrasies can certainly drive people to the depths of despair when it prevents people from getting their sleep. In the future I will pay more attention to the Queens/Kings/Presidents/Dictator,  language. At least you are man enough to use  you name ,if you have a  in-decorum

      More reports to follow Best wishes   Dave
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If one watches the drone footage supplied by thekingoffoxes and looks for the bridge at 1.20 mins /sec between the Princess Hwy and the Avon River, they will see a small bridge with 3 piers carrying the rail line. Back in 1998 this used to be 2 x 900mm barrel culverts. There was a large flood and the culverts couldn't handle the volume of water from the Avon River which was flooding all the way up to the Princess Hwy.As a result of the culverts being blocked, the railway was washed away and it looked like the end of the line. Fortunately the line was rebuilt and amazingly the engineer’s didn’t renew the culvert with the same 2 barrel design but a  much much larger bridge was constructed. The same type that we see being rebuilt today. Some lessons were learnt. It’s a truly wonderful legacy for the district that a new bridge over the Avon River is being constructed and that this railway has been able to remain open and will continue to flourish into the future.    

david harvey
Is the year 1998 correct ?

The line would of been booked out of service back than.

Freight Victoria reopened the line In 1999 using their RTL as motive power beyond Sale.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
If one watches the drone footage supplied by thekingoffoxes and looks for the bridge at 1.20 mins /sec between the Princess Hwy and the Avon River, they will see a small bridge with 3 piers carrying the rail line. Back in 1998 this used to be 2 x 900mm barrel culverts. There was a large flood and the culverts couldn't handle the volume of water from the Avon River which was flooding all the way up to the Princess Hwy.As a result of the culverts being blocked, the railway was washed away and it looked like the end of the line. Fortunately the line was rebuilt and amazingly the engineer’s didn’t renew the culvert with the same 2 barrel design but a  much much larger bridge was constructed. The same type that we see being rebuilt today. Some lessons were learnt. It’s a truly wonderful legacy for the district that a new bridge over the Avon River is being constructed and that this railway has been able to remain open and will continue to flourish into the future.    

Is the year 1998 correct ?

The line would of been booked out of service back than.

Freight Victoria reopened the line In 1999 using their RTL as motive power beyond Sale.
Nightfire
You are quite correct Minister ,it was April 1990 not 1998 as the previous sleeping member for the   Eastern Region may have falsely alleged. I looked at that last week and I wasn't to sure if that date was correct so I had my books on the table when you posted the correction notice minister I have made amens . All while I'm at the confessional I suspect the 900mm barrel culverts were really 1.200 metre barrel culverts.            
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
River could be on the way up again with anything up to, and possibly more, 150mm of rain forecast in parts of gipsland over the next 48 hours. One would imagine construction crews removed equipment from the river bead this afternoon, if it wasn't out already.

Rainfall is not expected to far west of Bairnsdale, but it could be enough west to put a few meters of height into the river given its just been up. Doesn't take much to get the Avon going.

BOM River Heights
Avon River at Freestone Ck http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDV67203/IDV67203.585034.plt.shtml
Avon River at Stratford http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDV67203/IDV67203.585025.plt.shtml
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
River could be on the way up again with anything up to, and possibly more, 150mm of rain forecast in parts of gipsland over the next 48 hours. One would imagine construction crews removed equipment from the river bead this afternoon, if it wasn't out already.

Rainfall is not expected to far west of Bairnsdale, but it could be enough west to put a few meters of height into the river given its just been up. Doesn't take much to get the Avon going.

BOM River Heights
Avon River at Freestone Ck http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDV67203/IDV67203.585034.plt.shtml
Avon River at Stratford http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDV67203/IDV67203.585025.plt.shtml
Galron
Haven't had this much rain up this way in many years . It has rained here for 2 days that being Sunday and Monday being consistent heavy drizzle. The Great Alpine Road was closed north of Bruthen due to a large rock slide estimated  to be 1000 tons (thats only 10 metres x 10 metres x10 metres high photos on the Vicroads facebook ) which is enough to bury an unlucky motorist. We are north of Bairnsndale and had 2 inches ,50 mills
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
On behalf of Mr D Harvey, a picture of some of the damage done by the rain out east.


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Neil
  acbeer91 Station Master

I thought some people might be interested in some footage I have been taking over the last few months of the bridge works, with trains on the existing bridge of course. It's been interesting to watch the foundations going in and the first few bridge spans being installed over June - August. I haven't been over to look for the last few weeks due to the current covid - 19 restrictions, so not sure where they are up to with the bridge now. More rain has fallen recently so that might put the brakes on works somewhat. I have some still photo's from my drone that I wlll try and find as well.



https://youtu.be/mfhOLmZ2Jb0
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
I thought some people might be interested in some footage I have been taking over the last few months of the bridge works, with trains on the existing bridge of course. It's been interesting to watch the foundations going in and the first few bridge spans being installed over June - August. I haven't been over to look for the last few weeks due to the current covid - 19 restrictions, so not sure where they are up to with the bridge now. More rain has fallen recently so that might put the brakes on works somewhat. I have some still photo's from my drone that I wlll try and find as well.



https://youtu.be/mfhOLmZ2Jb0
acbeer91
Great work acbeer91. Excallent videography and great editing!Very Happy Hope you get the opportunity to do some more.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Just posted on the Rail Projects Victoria Youtube channel:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N822-uygQtI
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Just posted on the Rail Projects Victoria Youtube channel:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N822-uygQtI
lkernan
Needed a sand train going across in the animation to be true to its proposed use don't you think?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
That video was done by v/line marketing
  skitz Chief Commissioner

That video was done by v/line marketing
bevans
It was tongue and cheek given the sand mine is going through approvals and upsetting the locals.  While the local ABC left media takes every opportunity to give platform to green agendas they happily ignore this 'passenger bridge'.   Its not a long bow to draw to say this bridge is being upgraded in support of the mine. Just games.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
That video was done by v/line marketing
It was tongue and cheek given the sand mine is going through approvals and upsetting the locals.  While the local ABC left media takes every opportunity to give platform to green agendas they happily ignore this 'passenger bridge'.   Its not a long bow to draw to say this bridge is being upgraded in support of the mine. Just games.
skitz
While I've not seen the details myself, there is apparently a proposal by Fennings in bairnsdale for an intermodal terminal at the log yard on Bosworth rd. Logs themselves are probably dead, although fennings had a large amount of stockpiled finished product in that yard when i was last there. They may end up being their own customer while they can still get logs to mill. The main trucking company in the area needs some viable competition, and this could very well be it.

There has been several proposals over the years to get the copper mine at Benambra going again as well, with significant amounts of product spouted to come out of that.  Enough to justify rail use out of Bairnsdale. Yes, the sand mine, if it happens, will be looking for rail access, and will be a significant user of the track.

There are opportunities east of and maybe around stratford for further rail development. the old bridge has, as we all know, been the constraining factor.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
The new bridge is being constructed to an axle loading with freight capacity. The old bridge condition has precluded freight beyond Sale for the better part of a decade. With the new bridge completed, there are several excellent freight opportunities potentially available - mineral sands, copper concentrates and general freight ex Bairnsdale. The area is far enough distant from Melbourne to make rail freight seriously viable, which very much underpins the case for the proposed Fenning intermodal at Bairnsdale.

It was the Liberal Kennett Government which shut the Bairnsdale pass and freight service down - 25 years later we have a Federal LNP government and State ALP government working together to build the new Avon River bridge and secure a future for the line. Back in 1993 we thought it would be a train to Traralgon, then bus to Bairnsdale. How things change!
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Half of the bridge spans have be placed and the remaining piling is only a few steel piles still to go. On target for early-2021 completion

https://regionalrailrevival.vic.gov.au/news/new-rail-bridge-taking-shape-in-stratford

Neil

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