The corona virus COVID-19

 
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Fine gesture. And hopefully helpful to someone.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

No new cases in Regional Vic today.  14 day average now just under 5 so there's a very good chance Regional Vic will be getting out of Stage 3 on Sunday night.  Fingers crossed.

Incidentally, house prices seemed to have shot up here in the past few months.  And most sell in a just a few weeks...  Decentralisation is finally happening folks.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
What relevance does HIV (to AIDS) have to Australia? Even in its heyday we all knew how to avoid it (a form of lockdown) except for the unfortunate few, such as Arthur Ashe, who got it from blood transfusions.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-10/the-ends-of-aids-as-a-public-health-issue-in-australia/7580852
kitchgp
Oh my GOD, you mean some rich westerners in nursing homes might die from a highly contagious disease? Call the police...

Never mind that its not even the most deadly disease on the face of the planet... those diseases only kill (cough, cough) poor people in poor countries.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I stand by what I said - nobody is taking any notice of HIV but its actually killing more people than COVID.


HIV deaths in Australia each year is less than 200, so CV-19 is currently more deadly and far more contagious and more difficult for others to avoid.
RTT_Rules
Again, rich people at the end of their lives might die from a disease? CALL THE POLICE!!!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Answer to question 2 above.

Andrews has refused to accept help for contact tracing.   It has been handled perfectly in Victoria.
Donald
I think there are some ADF personnel helping with contract tracing but on the whole Victoria seems to have said no more often than yes to offers of help from Auslanders. I guess you can only offer so many times before you give up trying to help

Interesting to see that Victoria is sending people to NSW to see if they can learn anything from the contract tracing system up there while at the same time announcing that they are setting up 5 suburban tracing units following the 3 regional ones set up recently.

I believe this is the way NSW has been doing it pretty much all along, far more localised enabling people to use local knowledge and contacts to help get on top of outbreaks quickly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/why-pm-says-nsw-is-gold-standard-in-covid-19-control/12636890 some pretty damning comments from Prof Raina MacIntyre in that article about the Victorian health system in general compared to NSW

As we all know the sitch in any juristiction can change rapidly but it sounds like our Northern neighbours were better set up in the first place to handle the pandemic (Ruby Princess aside Smile)

BTW if i read one more person saying "You've got this Victoria" I'm gonna scream!!!!!!!
  Carnot Minister for Railways


BTW if i read one more person saying "You've got this Victoria" I'm gonna scream!!!!!!!
BrentonGolding
Sadly, I saw someone on FB do this today and I was like "ARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH..... "
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Answer to question 2 above.

Andrews has refused to accept help for contact tracing.   It has been handled perfectly in Victoria.
I think there are some ADF personnel helping with contract tracing but on the whole Victoria seems to have said no more often than yes to offers of help from Auslanders. I guess you can only offer so many times before you give up trying to help

Interesting to see that Victoria is sending people to NSW to see if they can learn anything from the contract tracing system up there while at the same time announcing that they are setting up 5 suburban tracing units following the 3 regional ones set up recently.

I believe this is the way NSW has been doing it pretty much all along, far more localised enabling people to use local knowledge and contacts to help get on top of outbreaks quickly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/why-pm-says-nsw-is-gold-standard-in-covid-19-control/12636890 some pretty damning comments from Prof Raina MacIntyre in that article about the Victorian health system in general compared to NSW

As we all know the sitch in any juristiction can change rapidly but it sounds like our Northern neighbours were better set up in the first place to handle the pandemic (Ruby Princess aside Smile)

BTW if i read one more person saying "You've got this Victoria" I'm gonna scream!!!!!!!
BrentonGolding
Things could still get out of control up here, but as you say, I think the authorities will throw everything they have at an big outbreak if one develops.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I just am not comfortable with the idea that a Government can confine me to my house because it believes it knows more about my safety and needs than I do...but hey thats another discussion.
The government is advised by people who know more about epidemics than you and I do, and please, forget the idea that its your safety and needs that are of concern. Today, you don't have Covid-19; tomorrow you go out into a group of people and hey presto!  . . . now you do have it. Spreading is the concern.
I notice one contributor has disagreed with Valvegear's above comment. Could that person please explain why they disagree and what expertise they have in regard epidemiology to be able to disagree with VG's very sensible comment? I thought so, another dingbat crazy.
So you want to curtail free speech while reserving your right to insult fellow RP users? Nice work fella!
BrentonGolding
Not every opinion requires respect. A workmate is an anti-vaxer for various silly reasons, so why should I respect his opinion? I tell him to his face that he is a moron. That's the trouble with electronic media, lots of opinions proffered by brain damaged dopes up the pub whilst peer reviewed publications are disregarded as conspiracies. And if RP users, proffering dumb opinions are insulted by informed criticism, then so be it.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Today's announcement 55 new cases.
bevans
From the DHHS media release

"Victoria has recorded 55 new cases of coronavirus since yesterday, with the total number of cases now at 19,615.
The overall total has increased by 41 due to 14 cases being reclassified"

So the re-classifications represent over 25% of the headline figure. What day were those re-classified cases first reported? Does it distort the 14 day average figure that we are so heavily reliant on for getting to step 2 and beyond?

The ABC's Casey Briggs was having a battle today trying to work out the 14 day average for this very reason. It is pretty weird that they can get the figures so wrong and then rely on these to decide whether we get out of lockdown
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Not every opinion requires respect. A workmate is an anti-vaxer for various silly reasons, so why should I respect his opinion? I tell him to his face that he is a moron. That's the trouble with electronic media, lots of opinions proffered by brain damaged dopes up the pub whilst peer reviewed publications are disregarded as conspiracies. And if RP users, proffering dumb opinions are insulted by informed criticism, then so be it.
nswtrains
2 reasons spring to mind straight away.

First one is that dismissing people outright without even engaging in debate tends to just cement people's views even further that they are right and you are wrong

Second is that disrespecting people like that simply takes you down to their level.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Victoria back up to 76 cases this morning which will put a dent in the chances of the 14 day average getting below 50 (note Brett Sutton has said before that Wed is a spike day, lord knows why)

Meantime the floodgates are starting to open on the problems with contact tracing in Vic with former AMA president Mukesh Haikerwal one of the doctors interviewed for this enlightening article which also talks of problems around the Al-Taqwa college outbreak

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/gps-altona-north-band-together-covid-19-surge-contact-tracing/12642014
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Victoria back up to 76 cases this morning which will put a dent in the chances of the 14 day average getting below 50 (note Brett Sutton has said before that Wed is a spike day, lord knows why)

Meantime the floodgates are starting to open on the problems with contact tracing in Vic with former AMA president Mukesh Haikerwal one of the doctors interviewed for this enlightening article which also talks of problems around the Al-Taqwa college outbreak

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/gps-altona-north-band-together-covid-19-surge-contact-tracing/12642014
BrentonGolding
Yep, it's very telling that Doctors had to step in and do the contact tracing because the Health Dept wasn't doing their job there.

We had some outbreaks here in this part of Regional Vic last month that could've been disastrous.  And yet the Dept was quickly onto it and active cases in our LGA have gone from 56 to 2.

Wednesday and Thursday are always spiking.  Due to results of batch processing or something....

Meanwhile, the Oxford vaccine hits trouble: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54082192
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
We had some outbreaks here in this part of Regional Vic last month that could've been disastrous.  And yet the Dept was quickly onto it and active cases in our LGA have gone from 56 to 2.
Carnot
Wasn't that because Bendigo now has it's own contact tracing team? These have been a real success story apptly, the one at Barwon Health and the one in The Go.

Just a pity they didn't roll them out earlier as the local knowledge is said to really help
  Carnot Minister for Railways

We had some outbreaks here in this part of Regional Vic last month that could've been disastrous.  And yet the Dept was quickly onto it and active cases in our LGA have gone from 56 to 2.
Wasn't that because Bendigo now has it's own contact tracing team? These have been a real success story apptly, the one at Barwon Health and the one in The Go.

Just a pity they didn't roll them out earlier as the local knowledge is said to really help
BrentonGolding
Correct.  But places like Tarneit which have grown so quickly and with a very high non-English speaking population in high-exposure contexts (i.e logistics/meat processing) will always be a tough gig.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Former head of Public Transport Victoria Jeroen Weimar is now in charge of "Poo Patrol":
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Found this interesting read
https://www.theage.com.au/national/critics-of-victoria-s-contact-tracing-system-misunderstand-some-key-facts-20200908-p55tju.html
doyle
Written by the same person sighted by me earlier in this or the other thread.

Interesting that in this opinion piece the Prof leaves it to near the end to point out that the Victorian system has been stripped of resources over a period of 20 years. That's quite a few governments of both colours.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Is it 16 years Labor 4 years that other lot out of 20 years?
Shoestring comes to mind
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Victoria back up to 76 cases this morning which will put a dent in the chances of the 14 day average getting below 50 (note Brett Sutton has said before that Wed is a spike day, lord knows why)

Meantime the floodgates are starting to open on the problems with contact tracing in Vic with former AMA president Mukesh Haikerwal one of the doctors interviewed for this enlightening article which also talks of problems around the Al-Taqwa college outbreak

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/gps-altona-north-band-together-covid-19-surge-contact-tracing/12642014
Yep, it's very telling that Doctors had to step in and do the contact tracing because the Health Dept wasn't doing their job there.

We had some outbreaks here in this part of Regional Vic last month that could've been disastrous.  And yet the Dept was quickly onto it and active cases in our LGA have gone from 56 to 2.

Wednesday and Thursday are always spiking.  Due to results of batch processing or something....

Meanwhile, the Oxford vaccine hits trouble: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54082192
Carnot
Beat me to it - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/coronavirus-vaccine-on-hold-patient-adverse-illness-astrazeneca/12643812

The vaccine trials have hit problems due to the safety of the vaccine - which is what I've read about potential vaccines for COVID type illnesses before, they simply won't be safe. The problem is that the virus resides on the surfaces of the lungs and is very difficult to vaccinate for without causing severe problems in the patient.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

It is clear that Australia needs a disease control department
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Victoria back up to 76 cases this morning which will put a dent in the chances of the 14 day average getting below 50 (note Brett Sutton has said before that Wed is a spike day, lord knows why)

Meantime the floodgates are starting to open on the problems with contact tracing in Vic with former AMA president Mukesh Haikerwal one of the doctors interviewed for this enlightening article which also talks of problems around the Al-Taqwa college outbreak

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/gps-altona-north-band-together-covid-19-surge-contact-tracing/12642014
Yep, it's very telling that Doctors had to step in and do the contact tracing because the Health Dept wasn't doing their job there.

We had some outbreaks here in this part of Regional Vic last month that could've been disastrous.  And yet the Dept was quickly onto it and active cases in our LGA have gone from 56 to 2.

Wednesday and Thursday are always spiking.  Due to results of batch processing or something....

Meanwhile, the Oxford vaccine hits trouble: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54082192
Beat me to it - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/coronavirus-vaccine-on-hold-patient-adverse-illness-astrazeneca/12643812

The vaccine trials have hit problems due to the safety of the vaccine - which is what I've read about potential vaccines for COVID type illnesses before, they simply won't be safe. The problem is that the virus resides on the surfaces of the lungs and is very difficult to vaccinate for without causing severe problems in the patient.
don_dunstan
It should be noted that this unexplained Illness in the patient may be totally unrelated to the trials, that's why they have paused the trials so that they can carry out an independent assessment.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Is the ''Jury really in", when it comes to Hydroxychloroquine and Coronavirus? I don't watch Sky at all, but I was drawn to this video piece tonight on The Bolt Report, what do people think? I have been trawling the net trying to find a decent answer, I can't seem to find one -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5teMsw2h4&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0iSBrLca5hBswIDaOSPR22y_FS5fesSlsrjt4NGIaZUOK8YMNjy1JVXgg
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Former head of Public Transport Victoria Jeroen Weimar is now in charge of "Poo Patrol"
"Carnot"
From one heap of it to another!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Is the ''Jury really in", when it comes to Hydroxychloroquine and Coronavirus?
"lsrailfan"
I would say it certainly is. I have read a lot of medical comment that the drug does not help in treating coronavirus, and have yet to see any conflicting information from the medical profession. Only experts like Donald Trump proclaim its alleged usefulness which says it all.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Former head of Public Transport Victoria Jeroen Weimar is now in charge of "Poo Patrol"
From one heap of it to another!
Valvegear
Another import from the motherland who will now, once again, be in his element.

Two quotes come to mind:
  • 'We're doomed, doomed' (Private Frazer in Dad's Army)
  • 'We run so many trains that the tracks get hot' (Jeroen Weimar himself)

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