Was there ever a train which went from Wagga to Sydney?

 
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

Excluding when the line was built was there ever a trains service which started from Wagga Wagga and went to Sydney and in reverse?

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Excluding when the line was built was there ever a trains service which started from Wagga Wagga and went to Sydney and in reverse?
beanzs27

Assuming you are referring to passenger trains...I'm going to stick my beak in here for my 2 cents worth and say NO Exclamation

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well worth a read https://www.thnsw.com.au/post/nsw-mail-trains perhaps their was a mail train?
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
You really need to improve your writing. Other than that, I've browsed my extensive collection of timetables from the 60s, 70s and 80s, and it seems all services to or from Sydney started or terminated at either Junee or Albury.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

The Saturday night mail (South Mail) from Sydney in the 70's and 80's terminated at Junee with no connections as i seem to recall.
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
You really need to improve your writing. Other than that, I've browsed my extensive collection of timetables from the 60s, 70s and 80s, and it seems all services to or from Sydney started or terminated at either Junee or Albury.
billybaxter
The former Riverina Express DMU used to divide at Junee I think (could have been Cootamundra) with one set going to Albury and the other to Griffith, similar to the current Northern Tablelands Xplorer, which divides at Werris Creek to Moree and Armidale.  They would rejoin on the return morning service to Sydney, as the NTX does. I'd like to see this service reinstated with the arrival of the new Regional train fleet, to complement the Melbourne services.  This would effectively give the likes of Wagga and Albury a thrice daily service to and from Sydney as well as a daily service to and from Griffith.  Albury already has a thrice daily service via V-Line, in addition to the XPT, to and from Melbourne.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
In the last six months of 1972, the Riverina Express used the ill-fated 1200 class Tullochs in an attempt to be 'the train to everywhere'. Each day, from Monday to Saturday, the service from Sydney split at Yass Junction, Cootamundra or Junee to enable it to serve three different destinations. Mondays; Albury, Cowra and Hillston, Tuesdays; Griffith, Lake Cargelligo and Tumut, Wednesdays; Albury, Cowra and Tumut, Thursdays; Hillston, Lake Cargelligo and Tumut, Fridays; Albury, Cowra and Griffith, and Saturdays; Griffith, Wyalong Central and Tumut. For all the wonder of having a direct train to and from Sydney a few days a week, there are certain operational disadvantages to this setup and reliabilty became a nightmare. To note; despite this plethora of services, none of them included a Sydney to Wagga Wagga service.
Edit; Griffith and Hillston services operated via Narrandera.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

When the standardization of Albury line in Victoria was under proposal stage, there were speculations that the first Melbourne bound train would originate from Wagga Wagga, and the last north bound terminating there, which never materialized.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

The Saturday night mail (South Mail) from Sydney in the 70's and 80's terminated at Junee with no connections as i seem to reca
theanimal
I have learnt the hard way to not be absolute about memories, but I'm pretty sure there were no Sat. night mails out of Sydney, on any route(?), not just the Sth.

Had the Mail terminated at Junee on Sun mornings, there would have had to be empty car movements from Junee to Albury/Griffith about Sunday lunchtime to provide stock to work the Sunday pm Up services.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The Saturday night mail (South Mail) from Sydney in the 70's and 80's terminated at Junee with no connections as i seem to reca
I have learnt the hard way to not be absolute about memories, but I'm pretty sure there were no Sat. night mails out of Sydney, on any route(?), not just the Sth.

Had the Mail terminated at Junee on Sun mornings, there would have had to be empty car movements from Junee to Albury/Griffith about Sunday lunchtime to provide stock to work the Sunday pm Up services.
Lockspike
Certainly the case in 1964. No mails in any direction on Saturday nights. There was 55 North which ran to Armidale on a similar timetable to a mail, but was not designated as such.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The Saturday night mail (South Mail) from Sydney in the 70's and 80's terminated at Junee with no connections as i seem to reca
I have learnt the hard way to not be absolute about memories, but I'm pretty sure there were no Sat. night mails out of Sydney, on any route(?), not just the Sth.

Had the Mail terminated at Junee on Sun mornings, there would have had to be empty car movements from Junee to Albury/Griffith about Sunday lunchtime to provide stock to work the Sunday pm Up services.
Certainly the case in 1964. No mails in any direction on Saturday nights. There was 55 North which ran to Armidale on a similar timetable to a mail, but was not designated as such.
duttonbay
The aspect regarding Mails out of Sydney on Saturday nights and reason was that no Postal despatches were made on Saturdays, nor on Sundays, thus none of the night trains ex Sydney on both those nights were classified as mail trains rather several of them ran that were listed as Passenger trains.

On Saturday nights, each of the main lines had one passenger service running out of Central. West Passenger ran to Dubbo and return on Sunday night. Connecting passenger service to Mudgee at Wang returned that night.  Blayney Connection to Cowra with mixed train. At Orange the train divided and rear half to Parkes and front half to Dubbo.

Main North,  Armidale Passenger train divided at WCK and half to Moree & the other half to Armidale. Returned Sunday night amalgating at WCK.  On Saturday nights the Brisbane Exp from Wallangarra ran back to Sydney.

North Coast also had a single passenger train ex Central on Saturday nights return on the Sunday nights.

Come Sundays, the same types of services ran ex Sydney as Passenger trains and no mail.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Services for defence personnel or immigrants to Kapooka and/or RAAF Base Wagga, perhaps?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Services for defence personnel or immigrants to Kapooka and/or RAAF Base Wagga, perhaps?
kitchgp
These trains probably weren't public services.
  CPH8 Locomotive Driver

When I joined the Army from Adelaide in June 1958 we were put on regular passenger services. There was a Rail Transport Office (RTO) at the northern end of Adelaide station just past the platforms and you reported there, picked up your tickets and caught the Overland to Melbourne and then the train to Albury then train to Wagga Wagga. Kapooka station would have been closer but because of the numbers alighting & boarding, Wagga Wagga was the preferred station with Army buses to and from the camp. I twice went on leave to Sydney to see my brother, travelling on the Albury Mail. The coaling stop at Demondrille was always interesting to watch, with the dive on the down service
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Services for defence personnel or immigrants to Kapooka and/or RAAF Base Wagga, perhaps?
kitchgp
There were no such services to Kapooka or to Wagga RAAF Base "Forest Hill"

The only service that stopped at Forest Hill was the train to and from Tumbarumba and some small goods trains also serviced the line

Kapooka was serviced by mainline trains and passing on the loop! There may have been a railmotor passenger service for school children most likely from 1900 up until late 1940s to early 1950s! At that time schools were widely available in very small towns and farming regions which really explains why on earth is that station built there these were pretty much started to close from late 1950s until late 1970s that's why we have a lot of closed and disused railway lines people simply founded other transport options which is sad

The school at Kapooka was closed and demolished which is now located under a few houses in the suburb itself today and of course a new school was built to keep the new residence happy!

As for Wagga Wagga Showgrounds railway station! It was also serviced by a railmotor service, the showgrounds back then would have been a lot more fun which would have been opened every school holiday and weekend during that time no road entry was available which is why the showgrounds had a railway station for it's only entry and exit

Today, the only main event at the showgrounds is obviously the Wagga Wagga show in July, a few horse and dog racing and a few events including the Wagga Wagga model train and hobby expo! Overall in my personal opinion the Wagga Wagga showgrounds should be completely closed there's really no point in keeping the poor place open anymore it's embarrassing to even visit the grounds it just looks sad!! The owner just loves the money coming into the door that's all he cares about obviously being a millionair is all he cares about is money too much greed - I rather see that big massive oval in North Wagga being used as the showgrounds and other events it's more welcoming but of course the owner of that would get greedy over money too but at least it's a welcoming place to visit and lots of parking space that Wagga Wagga showgrounds just hasn't got available on a good day!

As for any trains from Wagga Wagga to Sydney! The short answer is no such service was available

There was however a service called "Riverina Express" which was short lived this went all the way to Albury and returned to Sydney the following day I believe! However, it never stopped at Kapooka only some day's it had to use the passing loop to allow bypassing passenger and freight trains!

Yes, you wouldn't believe Wagga Wagga station used to always have passengers and a completely full platform and booking office!!!
  duttonbay Minister for Railways


As for Wagga Wagga Showgrounds railway station! It was also serviced by a railmotor service, the showgrounds back then would have been a lot more fun which would have been opened every school holiday and weekend during that time no road entry was available which is why the showgrounds had a railway station for it's only entry and exit
cityrail-rulez

There was an interesting article in ARH recently describing the various special trains which operated for the Wagga show

There was however a service called "Riverina Express" which was short lived this went all the way to Albury and returned to Sydney the following day I believe! However, it never stopped at Kapooka only some day's it had to use the passing loop to allow bypassing passenger and freight trains!
cityrail-rulez

The Riverina Express operated from 1949 to 1993, 44 years. Hardly short-lived in my opinion.

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