Current Usage of Sprinter Trains

 
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

I am curious as to where the current fleet of 21 sprinter trains are currently operating?

For example. How many are in use on the Stony Point Line? Where are the rest of them being employed? Is it mainly on the Seymour Line? Or somewhere else?

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I am curious as to where the current fleet of 21 sprinter trains are currently operating?

For example. How many are in use on the Stony Point Line? Where are the rest of them being employed? Is it mainly on the Seymour Line? Or somewhere else?
Duncs
2 on the Stony Point line. The rest operate on the Seymour line and a small handful of peak hour services.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I assume one 2 (?) car set still runs one of the evening Down Kyneton services stabling overnight (along with a 3 car Velosette) and running an Up AM service to Southern Cross the next day
  acbeer91 Station Master

Monday - Friday 3 x Sprinters are timetabled to run the 14.20 Southern Cross - Traralgon, #8417, and return as #8430 ex Traralgon at 17.10.
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

I assume one 2 (?) car set still runs one of the evening Down Kyneton services stabling overnight (along with a 3 car Velosette) and running an Up AM service to Southern Cross the next day
BrentonGolding

Generally yes, on occasion the morning service has been run by Vlocity. Quite a treat as the sprinter is generally crammed thanks to early morning Sunbury folk.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Monday - Friday 3 x Sprinters are timetabled to run the 14.20 Southern Cross - Traralgon, #8417, and return as #8430 ex Traralgon at 17.10.
acbeer91
Thanks
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

I assume one 2 (?) car set still runs one of the evening Down Kyneton services stabling overnight (along with a 3 car Velosette) and running an Up AM service to Southern Cross the next day

Generally yes, on occasion the morning service has been run by Vlocity. Quite a treat as the sprinter is generally crammed thanks to early morning Sunbury folk.
Lockie91
I would hope that this gets covered by V Locity in future
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Thanks people. Much appreciated.

Once a few more V Locities become available then I would hope that the Sprinters can be all used on the Seymour line. BTW. Are there any V Locities being used on the Seymour line at present?

The option for an extra 2 car set on the Stony Point line would also be possible. But this would require a passing loop between Baxter and Someville, to facilitate an increased service frequency.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Stony Point line has been fitted with axle counters, so with an additional crossing loop, doubling the general frequency with the existing fleet operating as single units all day is also possible.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Most usage of the Sprinters is on the Seymour line, as well as 2 leased to Metro for use on the Stony Point line. Aside from these lines, other rostered Sprinter runs as follows:

The 1844 Southern Cross - Kyneton is run by 2x Sprinters, they then stable for the night (or Weekend) and return as the 0512 Kyneton - Southern Cross the next day (or following Monday).

The 0733 Wyndham Vale - Southern Cross is formed by 5x Sprinters. These arrive at the Wyndham Vale South siding after running from Southern Cross as Empty Cars earlier in the same morning.

The 1420 Southern Cross - Traralgon is formed by 2x Sprinters, which then return to Southern Cross as the 1710 Traralgon - Southern Cross.

On top of all of that, it has not been unheard of lately for one of the interpeak Bacchus Marsh locals to use 2x Sprinters in the place of a 3VL when there has been a shortage of Vlocity sets. This is sporadic at best though.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Thanks people. Much appreciated.

Once a few more V Locities become available then I would hope that the Sprinters can be all used on the Seymour line. BTW. Are there any V Locities being used on the Seymour line at present?

The option for an extra 2 car set on the Stony Point line would also be possible. But this would require a passing loop between Baxter and Someville, to facilitate an increased service frequency.
Duncs
Approximately half of the daily Seymour Services are run by Sprinters, with the exception of a couple of loco hauled peak hour services, the rest are run by 3 car vlocities.

If Metro want to run more services on the Stony Point line, then signalling and safeworking practises would need to be improved. If they did that, then they could lease more Sprinters to run that service, until then, they only require the 2.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Thanks people. Much appreciated.

Once a few more V Locities become available then I would hope that the Sprinters can be all used on the Seymour line. BTW. Are there any V Locities being used on the Seymour line at present?

The option for an extra 2 car set on the Stony Point line would also be possible. But this would require a passing loop between Baxter and Someville, to facilitate an increased service frequency.
Approximately half of the daily Seymour Services are run by Sprinters, with the exception of a couple of loco hauled peak hour services, the rest are run by 3 car vlocities.
Gman_86
Thanks for that. This explains why the VLine timetable for the morning peak is longer/slower than for the off peak services. The loco sets take on average 1 hour 40 minutes. The Sprinters and  V Locities take 1 hour 20 to 1 hour 30 minutes. Once the loco hauled service are retired, this timetable can be improved.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
N class Locomotives are much slower to accelerate and brake then a DMU like a Sprinter of Vlocity. Hence more fat in the timetable for them.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

N class Locomotives are much slower to accelerate and brake then a DMU like a Sprinter of Vlocity. Hence more fat in the timetable for them.
Gman_86
All the more reason to phase them out... rapidly.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Thanks people. Much appreciated.

Once a few more V Locities become available then I would hope that the Sprinters can be all used on the Seymour line. BTW. Are there any V Locities being used on the Seymour line at present?

The option for an extra 2 car set on the Stony Point line would also be possible. But this would require a passing loop between Baxter and Someville, to facilitate an increased service frequency.
Duncs
I would make Somerville into an Island platform, and use two  double Sprinters during the day to run services, a very good way to achieve a good outcome at minmal cost.................
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Yes you could. Or you could install a second track and platform for two platforms at Somerville, to achieve the same result. There is plenty of space for a second platform and second track where the old sidings used to be.

I agree with the 2 x Sprinter sets.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I assume one 2 (?) car set still runs one of the evening Down Kyneton services stabling overnight (along with a 3 car Velosette) and running an Up AM service to Southern Cross the next day

Generally yes, on occasion the morning service has been run by Vlocity. Quite a treat as the sprinter is generally crammed thanks to early morning Sunbury folk.
Lockie91
I find that this happens every time the previous day's 5:04pm service is cancelled - the 6:44pm service is run as 2x3VL as opposed to 2xSprinters in order to have enough carriages for the next morning peak.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I assume one 2 (?) car set still runs one of the evening Down Kyneton services stabling overnight (along with a 3 car Velosette) and running an Up AM service to Southern Cross the next day

Generally yes, on occasion the morning service has been run by Vlocity. Quite a treat as the sprinter is generally crammed thanks to early morning Sunbury folk.
I find that this happens every time the previous day's 5:04pm service is cancelled - the 6:44pm service is run as 2x3VL as opposed to 2xSprinters in order to have enough carriages for the next morning peak.
railblogger
Goodness me, V/Line being proactive and managing disruptions in a smart manner?

This has been the thing that has given me the most hope for the future all year!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
So a question without notice for those of you with more of an operations brain than me (or any brain in fact, I assume the answer is going to be pretty simple) why don't V/Line cascade the Sprinters to run the short haul commuter services (Melton, Wyndham Vale and the like) freeing up V/Locities to run Seymour, Kyneton etc?

I normally see a couple of 6 car V/Locities running empty cars on the Down through Footscray in the morning while waiting for the AM Swanners, is it purely a capacity issue?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
So a question without notice for those of you with more of an operations brain than me (or any brain in fact, I assume the answer is going to be pretty simple) why don't V/Line cascade the Sprinters to run the short haul commuter services (Melton, Wyndham Vale and the like) freeing up V/Locities to run Seymour, Kyneton etc?

I normally see a couple of 6 car V/Locities running empty cars on the Down through Footscray in the morning while waiting for the AM Swanners, is it purely a capacity issue?
BrentonGolding
Empty car moves to Wyndham Vale.

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Look on page 17.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The Seymour line is limited to 130km/h and Sprinters have a top speed of 130km/h. Meanwhile the Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo and Gippsland lines have significant stretches with a line speed of 160km/h and Vlocities have a top speed of 160km/h.

I would say this is the reason Sprinters spend most of their lives on the Seymour line these days.

Similar reasons will see the loco hauled H set peak hour runs to & from Geelong & Bacchus Marsh replaced with Vlocities before the loco hauled H set peak hour runs to & from Seymour.

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