SSR buys more retro locos

 
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
Some legacy action from SSR



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKJREgZkA2U
There have a number of posters here who have criticised SSR for their purchases of older locos that will in a few years not meet the pollution requirements.
The locos in the S, GM and CLP and CLF classes all have the possibility of being upgraded with new prime movers that would meet the tier 4 pollution requirements such as the Cummins CSK 95 which while not only meeting the highest air pollution requirements could also upgrade the horsepower in the case of the CLF/CLP from 3000 HP to over 4000 HP with the upgrades able to be carried out in their own company workshops.

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  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Plus larger radiators, plus bigger alternator, plus bigger traction motors, plus plus plus.....

Cheaper to pay off a politician to 'grandfather' them, nost already would qualify anyway...
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
It's not as simple as pulling out the old donk and dropping a new one in.

Higher HP = new switchgear, contactors cabling, motors and wheelslip systems. New motors would probably mean new grids. Now the loco balance has changed and you could well find some axle loads are outside the allowable limits or your P2 forces are too high so you're speed-limited.
  M636C Minister for Railways

There have a number of posters here who have criticised SSR for their purchases of older locos that will in a few years not meet the pollution requirements.
The locos in the S, GM and CLP and CLF classes all have the possibility of being upgraded with new prime movers that would meet the tier 4 pollution requirements such as the Cummins CSK 95 which while not only meeting the highest air pollution requirements could also upgrade the horsepower in the case of the CLF/CLP from 3000 HP to over 4000 HP with the upgrades able to be carried out in their own company workshops.

The NSW EPA do not require locomotives to meet USA Tier 4 requirements.
It appears that they want locomotives to meet Tier 0+requirements.
I believe there are kits available to convert existing EMD diesel engines to meet these requirements, so no re-engining is necessary to meet tier 0+ requirements. These kits usually involve conversion to electronic fuel injection and are quite costly, and do not increase the power of the locomotive.

The Cummins QSK (not CSK) series of engines are in wide use (the Velocity and Hunter railcars use them) but the larger engines have not been as reliable as the inline six cylinder 19 litre engines in the railcars. There are a number of CM class (with the QSK78 engine) out of use in Goulburn while EL and GL class GE locomotives and VL class EMD locomotives of the same power are still in use.

So far NSW is the only state to introduce emission requirements (and noise requirements). GML 10, owned by QUBE is a locomotive not allowed to operate in NSW through noise restrictions. Only the later XR class can operate in NSW through noise restrictions.

SSR could continue to operate some classes outside NSW and modify other types for use in NSW.

Turbocharged EMD locomotives  would be the most likely locomotives to be modified for future use in NSW.

Peter
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
They should challenge the new requirements, its people livelihoods at stake
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

They should challenge the new requirements, its people livelihoods at stake
Junction box
Which new requirements?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

It’s a great shame SSR are giving in from the unnecessary pressure from the nsw epa to muffle the exhausts on their C class, totally pointless yet they have no issue with noisy trucks dominating the road networks?!?

Talk about double standards
greasyrhys
In NSW trucks have had to meet standards for quite some time and they also have noise restrictions as well. Since rail hasn't had any standards to meet how is this double standards?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Yes it is a shame that rail is given more stringent restrictions to follow then their road going competitors, but you can hardly blame SSR for following the rules their industry has been asked to follow.

I do agree it is a shame that road operators haven't been given equivalent restrictions, but that isn't likely in this country.
Gman_86

Rail hasn't had any restrictions until these new laws came in. The road industry has had to meet all sorts of new restrictions.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Okay Dokie, I've Heard Mumblings that S311 has been purchased from its Private owner by SSR.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

S311 being purchased by SSR is more than rumours apparently.

A big grain harvest needs lots of motive power this year....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Plenty of S class photos here: https://www.railpage.com.au/flickr/tag/rp-au-vic-sclass

RP has S311 https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/s-class/s311 as CFCLA owned?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Plenty of S class photos here: https://www.railpage.com.au/flickr/tag/rp-au-vic-sclass

RP has S311 https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/s-class/s311 as CFCLA owned?
bevans
VicSig has it in CFCLA livery but privately owned which would suggest that CFCLA moved it on

https://vicsig.net/index.php?page=locomotives&number=311&class=S&type=Diesel-Electric&orgstate=V
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Both S300 and S311 were bought privately off CFCLA. He's kept S300 but appears to have sold S311 to SSR.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Both S300 and S311 were bought privately off CFCLA. He's kept S300 but appears to have sold S311 to SSR.
Carnot
One loco is plenty for an individual to pour money into...
  GD Train Controller

Location: Geelong Vic
Quad S Class on a grainy would look good.
Hopefully it'll receive a decent coat of paint.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
To be used on SG or BG?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Loco is currently on standard gauge and I NSW according to reports.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Are there really going to be enough wagons and rolling stock for grain clearing and transportation ?  The work is likely to take 2 years so expect trains running regularly over the period and congested lines in Victoria.

Has the NSW network grain lines had maintenance ?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Loco is currently on standard gauge and I NSW according to reports.
freightgate
Yes, it is in NSW on Standard Gauge, that is a fact.

B65, S302, S312, S317, T363 and T381 were all on the standard gauge until only a couple of years ago, when they were all brought South, converted and with the exception of B65, are all now running successfully on the broad gauge in Victoria.

The short grain wagon rake (20 something wagons) that SSR use on the Allied Mills (Kensington) contract were also bought down to Victoria on the standard gauge and converted here for use on the broad gauge.


SSR don't seem to be afraid of converting their motive power or wagons when the work justifies it.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Are there really going to be enough wagons and rolling stock for grain clearing and transportation ?  The work is likely to take 2 years so expect trains running regularly over the period and congested lines in Victoria.

Has the NSW network grain lines had maintenance ?
freightgate
I suspect those contested lines will be more of an issue than rolling stock availability. A couple of strategically placed passing loops, and re-open Inglewood-Bendigo could improve on that issues relatively quickly
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Are there really going to be enough wagons and rolling stock for grain clearing and transportation ?  The work is likely to take 2 years so expect trains running regularly over the period and congested lines in Victoria.

Has the NSW network grain lines had maintenance ?
I suspect those contested lines will be more of an issue than rolling stock availability. A couple of strategically placed passing loops, and re-open Inglewood-Bendigo could improve on that issues relatively quickly
Galron

The only good reason for the government to fund the re-opening of the Inglewood line would be to spare us from the current  inane hijacking of every thread on RP at the moment by its proponents :p
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Are there really going to be enough wagons and rolling stock for grain clearing and transportation ?  The work is likely to take 2 years so expect trains running regularly over the period and congested lines in Victoria.

Has the NSW network grain lines had maintenance ?
I suspect those contested lines will be more of an issue than rolling stock availability. A couple of strategically placed passing loops, and re-open Inglewood-Bendigo could improve on that issues relatively quickly

The only good reason for the government to fund the re-opening of the Inglewood line would be to spare us from the current  inane hijacking of every thread on RP at the moment by its proponents :p
This Site Literally Everytime a budget or Grain Harvest is mentioned for the past year We Should Reopen the Inglewood line so we can cram more freights onto the overcrowded Bendigo line. The more Logical Approach is More Passing loops and improved signalling on the existing lines for a Fraction of the Price.

My inner Gunzel wants it, by my inner Vulcan shoots it down as Illogical Crying or Very sad

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