The corona virus COVID-19

 
  John E Locomotive Fireman

Really comparing the lockdowns in Victoria to communist rule in eastern Europe for decades? Not related in the slightest.

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  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

New Zealanders arrived in Sydney yesterday, 14 continued on domestic flight to Melbourne but were detained by border farce in Melbourne

How was this allowed to happen ?
is this a federal government stuff up?
did the 14 NZers know they could only go to NSW or the NT?


for heavens sake what else could go wrong???
doyle


It's yet to be proved that they have done anything wrong. They weren't necessarily New Zealanders, just passengers on a flight from New Zealand. They could be Victorians returning to Victoria, for example. Victoria has no border restrictions.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

New Zealanders arrived in Sydney yesterday, 14 continued on domestic flight to Melbourne but were detained by border farce in Melbourne

How was this allowed to happen ?
is this a federal government stuff up?
did the 14 NZers know they could only go to NSW or the NT?


for heavens sake what else could go wrong???
doyle


It's yet to be proved that they have done anything wrong. They weren't necessarily New Zealanders, just passengers on a flight from New Zealand. They could be Victorians returning to Victoria, for example. Victoria has no border restrictions.
"kitchgp"



Yeah, I honestly can't see what the problem is.  They've come from a Covid-free country, there is a travel bubble between NZ and NSW, so what?

I suppose they're just travelling from one Socialist backwater to another....
  aussie48 Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Not trying to downplay the choice to use private security at all but can someone confirm if WA chose to only use private security as well?
John E
Western Australia like Victoria initially used Private Security Contractors before calling on ADF rescources in July because of the same problems that Victoria faced.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

"Yeah, I honestly can't see what the problem is.  They've come from a Covid-free country, there is a travel bubble between NZ and NSW, so what?"

Victoria is a hotspot, that's the problem.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Well if we all had far right religious nut jobs in government in Victoria and new Zealand

We all would of been sacrificed on the alter of economy
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

altar
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Travel bubble is only between NZ, NSW and NT.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Nobody is accusing these Kiwis of doing anything wrong. The Premier has already sent a message to the PM about Victoria being not a part of the bubble, and would he please see to it that NSW stops them from coming to Victoria. Victoria is now waiting for Australian Border Force to send the incoming passenger cards so that an effort can be made to track these visitors down, acquaint them with conditions here, and test them if necessary.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

"Yeah, I honestly can't see what the problem is.  They've come from a Covid-free country, there is a travel bubble between NZ and NSW, so what?"

Victoria is a hotspot, that's the problem.
doyle

It'll be their problem if they want to leave Victoria. Whilst they are here, they are subject to the same restrictions as the rest of us, be it Greater Melbourne or Regional Victoria. Unless they get some sort of dispensation, they'll have to serve quarantine in NSW (or some other state) or New Zealand, possibly at $3000 a pop and the cost of rescheduling flights.


Victoria does not currently have any restrictions in place for travellers entering from another Australian state or Territory, however you will need to adhere to any directions in place for your home state on your return.

If you are entering Victoria from another Australian state or territory, you do not have to quarantine after entering Victoria. Upon entering Victoria, you must adhere to the restrictions and directions that are in place to slow the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19).
DHHS Website
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Nobody is accusing these Kiwis of doing anything wrong. The Premier has already sent a message to the PM about Victoria being not a part of the bubble, and would he please see to it that NSW stops them from coming to Victoria. Victoria is now waiting for Australian Border Force to send the incoming passenger cards so that an effort can be made to track these visitors down, acquaint them with conditions here, and test them if necessary.
Valvegear
Yep, Border Farce a completely competent agency.
Abundantly clear Vic, is not included in the NZ travel bubble.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Andrews had a go at the Feds for letting them get into Victoria.   There is nothing stopping them coming to  Victoria.
All I can say is serves them right for going to Covid Central.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions. They have failed completely to keep these visitors in the part of the country they are permitted to enter.
I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Morrison taking responsibility for something one of these days.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions. They have failed completely to keep these visitors in the part of the country they are permitted to enter.
I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Morrison taking responsibility for something one of these days.
Valvegear
How does the federal government have power over people once they've passed through customs? Should have been up to Danistan to decide who enters and who doesn't - Morrison has nothing to do with it.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The whole boarder control systems / rules / powers needs extensive reform !
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I don't see what the Border Force has to do with this, as I thought the DPRV had open borders for anyone insane enough to try getting in.

Now that these people have left the travel bubble, the solution should simply be that they are subject to quarantine rules when they try to get back into the travel bubble.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
New Zealanders arrived in Sydney yesterday, 14 continued on domestic flight to Melbourne but were detained by border farce in Melbourne

How was this allowed to happen ?
is this a federal government stuff up?
did the 14 NZers know they could only go to NSW or the NT?


for heavens sake what else could go wrong???


It's yet to be proved that they have done anything wrong. They weren't necessarily New Zealanders, just passengers on a flight from New Zealand. They could be Victorians returning to Victoria, for example. Victoria has no border restrictions.
kitchgp
The one  person for whom we seem to have actual details, as reported in the NZ media, was a Kiwi who resides in Melbourne and had been visiting and caring for his sick Father. I presume, depending on how long he has been here, that he was in quarantine after coming to NZ.  He said he was given a permit in Sydney to travel to Melbourne. Out of interest, I checked flights to Sydney in November and they were over NZ$700. Pre-Covid I would have considered $300 expensive (pre-Christmas). I wonder that anyone would consider flying to OZ for a holiday and paying the $3000 for 14 day managed isolation on return.
My only relatives (mid-80's) live in Sydney and I have vouchers for flights with Emirates. However, as I am executor for my sister's will and she mine, we are trying to make other arrangements. Ironically the executor for my Brother-in-law lives in Prague (and reports that he and his Czech wife never leave their house and garden).  Until there is a successful vaccine, I will be staying in New Zealand where life is normal as long as we do not wish to undertake overseas travel, thanks Aunty Jacinda.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions. They have failed completely to keep these visitors in the part of the country they are permitted to enter.
I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Morrison taking responsibility for something one of these days.
Valvegear

Since when are the Feds responsible for who enters jurisdiction of Victoria from the jurisdiction of NSW?

If you drive to Qld, who stops you at the Border? Qld Police of Feds? which Political Leader put that restriction in place? Which political Leader only has the legal power to do so?

If you want to fly to WA from NSW, tell me where the Federal Govt gets involves with who is allowed to enter WA?


I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Valvegear understanding the Australian state and federal border security process one of these days. Laughing
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions. They have failed completely to keep these visitors in the part of the country they are permitted to enter.
I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Morrison taking responsibility for something one of these days.

Since when are the Feds responsible for who enters jurisdiction of Victoria from the jurisdiction of NSW?

If you drive to Qld, who stops you at the Border? Qld Police of Feds? which Political Leader put that restriction in place? Which political Leader only has the legal power to do so?

If you want to fly to WA from NSW, tell me where the Federal Govt gets involves with who is allowed to enter WA?


I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Valvegear understanding the Australian state and federal border security process one of these days. Laughing
RTT_Rules
The feds established the travel bubble with NZ.
Victoria was not a participant in said bubble.
Who is responsible?
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

And now Western Australia I bet KRviator isn't happy
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


Who is responsible?
michaelgm
Who Is responsible ! usually falls on the transport provider (airline) as they would be able to advise travelers where and where not they can go and the current travel conditions.

As for International airlines, they get fined If they carry a traveler to a destination where they're not permitted to enter, and get deported.  

But In the case of Victoria, there are no boarder restrictions for people entering, but other Australian States and Territories have restrictions on people coming out of Victoria.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Anyone would think hello what's going on
Federal minions out today, travel bubble clearly nsw and nt only

So they arrive and go wherever they want, it's definitely in my mind a federal and NSW & NT government arrangement only

Free country blah blah, it is but that's not the arrangement is it

And both Labor states now waiting for Queensland to announce some arrivals 3 Labor states, talk about open your borders by stealth

Can't trust that Scroto preacher man
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Who is responsible

I reckon border farce as the main border (not agriculture) agency of the federal government and the Federal, NSW & NT Police
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Anyone would think hello what's going on
Federal minions out today, travel bubble clearly nsw and nt only

So they arrive and go wherever they want, it's definitely in my mind a federal and NSW & NT government arrangement only

Free country blah blah, it is but that's not the arrangement is it

And both Labor states now waiting for Queensland to announce some arrivals 3 Labor states, talk about open your borders by stealth

Can't trust that Scroto preacher man
doyle
Just heard it is 55 travellers.
Andrews today, stating a delay from Border Farce in obtaining details, which were eventually provided. Given the circumstances, in my view, rightly or wrongly, feds are responsible.
And no, can’t trust scumo, on any matter.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

And here I was thinking kiwi's were flightless..

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