"The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions."

And that's the point "what conditions"
Travel bubble with conditions between Federal, NSW & NT governments

And that smirking weasel Tudge set me off this morning

The federal government is
Undermining every thing Dan is doing to try and keep us safe (agree or not)

united not, national cabinet what a joke Scroto is even more devisive than Howard I never thought that was even possible


Valium taken

"The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions."

And that's the point "what conditions"
Travel bubble with conditions between Federal, NSW & NT governments

This travel bubble has been spruked for sometime. Obviously little homework has been performed.
Another announcement with zero consideration.

"The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions."

And that's the point "what conditions"
Travel bubble with conditions between Federal, NSW & NT governments

I would say the said NZ travelers broke the travel bubble conditions (as a result they probably will find that they have to endure a quarantine stint at their own cost, If they choose to move on)

On the other hand they may be happy to stay In Victoria.

They did indeed burst the bubble, it's the responsibility of the governments that made these stupid arrangements with little or no forethought

Conspiracy OMG I said it

They did indeed burst the bubble, it's the responsibility of the governments that made these stupid arrangements with little or no forethought

Conspiracy OMG I said it

I wouldn't say they have burst the bubble, just that they have squeezed out of It, and now are subject to the conditions/restrictions of the land they stepped foot on.

I'm amazed at the inability of certain Victards to understand the difference between the quarantine-free travel bubble and other travel which is compliant with existing restrictions (of which there are none for travellers entering Victoria from NSW).

I'd love to see the Victorian government try to prosecute someone over this.

You're right, the restriction applies for arriving elsewhere after having been to Victoria.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/western-australia/out-of-our-control-wa-premier-calls-for-federal-support-as-25-new-zealand-travellers-arrive-in-perth-20201018-p56681.html

No coordination from the Feds is victards and WA' issue

having a lockdown party and unexpected guests turn up

Poor organising from the feds

It's like the Ruby princess thingy again no coordination

Not sure what you are on Doyley.
The bubble is for those from NZ to enter Australia and only those from the special states in Australia go to NZ.  
Nothing about what happens after those from NZ arrive in Sydney, apart from travel restrictions from NSW ie no travel to Qld.  
If they are silly enough to go to  Victoria & put up with the Dictator's reign, serves them right.
The bubble doesn't include Victoria because of the rules on entering any other state, not on coming in.

The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions. They have failed completely to keep these visitors in the part of the country they are permitted to enter.
I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Morrison taking responsibility for something one of these days.

Since when are the Feds responsible for who enters jurisdiction of Victoria from the jurisdiction of NSW?

If you drive to Qld, who stops you at the Border? Qld Police of Feds? which Political Leader put that restriction in place? Which political Leader only has the legal power to do so?

If you want to fly to WA from NSW, tell me where the Federal Govt gets involves with who is allowed to enter WA?


I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Valvegear understanding the Australian state and federal border security process one of these days.

The feds established the travel bubble with NZ.
Victoria was not a participant in said bubble.
Who is responsible?

I thought it would be plainly obvious. The State Premiers are the ones responsible for intrastate travel and who's allowed into their state. The Fed's have no authority to do so.

The Fed's negotiated a travel bubble with the Commonwealth of Australia international border and the nation of New Zealand's international border, which is as my understanding the limit of their authority.

States who opt out of the bubble control this at their respective borders as they have done to date for all travel. The Bubble was only implemented and made practical and implemented because the Premier of NSW agreed to the bubble.

As the flight was domestic, then its not within the authority of the Fed's, rather State Premier of Vic and Airlines to follow the Executive directive given by the said Premier.  

Hopefully now you have the tools to answer your own question.

I cannot understand why everyone is getting so het up over this bubble trouble. Enzed has no current cases of community transmission and their citizens don't even have to wear masks or physically distance so what is the problem? If someone is stupid enough to want to come to Victoria our borders aren't actually closed so there is nothing stopping them from doing so.

Andrews was threatening to close our borders yesterday over this but has now backed down according to C7 news. Not that it would make much difference, the borders are one way traffic as neither SA and NSW want us getting in to their states and how many people would actually be coming here to go into lockdown?

Now WA has joined the whinge-fest, they don't seem to want anyone at all to enter their state including people who have been separated from loved ones for months. It's all just more politics and as usual ordinary people are the collateral damage

The Feds are responsible for setting the rules of who gets into Australia and under what conditions. They have failed completely to keep these visitors in the part of the country they are permitted to enter.
I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Morrison taking responsibility for something one of these days.

Since when are the Feds responsible for who enters jurisdiction of Victoria from the jurisdiction of NSW?

If you drive to Qld, who stops you at the Border? Qld Police of Feds? which Political Leader put that restriction in place? Which political Leader only has the legal power to do so?

If you want to fly to WA from NSW, tell me where the Federal Govt gets involves with who is allowed to enter WA?


I'm not hanging by my thumbs, but I really do look forward to Valvegear understanding the Australian state and federal border security process one of these days.

The feds established the travel bubble with NZ.
Victoria was not a participant in said bubble.
Who is responsible?

I thought it would be plainly obvious. The State Premiers are the ones responsible for intrastate travel and who's allowed into their state. The Fed's have no authority to do so.

The Fed's negotiated a travel bubble with the Commonwealth of Australia international border and the nation of New Zealand's international border, which is as my understanding the limit of their authority.

States who opt out of the bubble control this at their respective borders as they have done to date for all travel. The Bubble was only implemented and made practical and implemented because the Premier of NSW agreed to the bubble.

As the flight was domestic, then its not within the authority of the Fed's, rather State Premier of Vic and Airlines to follow the Executive directive given by the said Premier.  

Hopefully now you have the tools to answer your own question.

Really Shane , I thought you understood  OZ better.

The airports are Federal Govt territory. Secured by Fed police.
Vicpol only have authority to do anything IF they are invited inside to assist with enforcement of Federal law.

Do you think a Vicpol roadblock outside the airport precinct is a smart thing or sensible use of resources.

All avoidable if Borderfarce pull their finger out and correctly advise arrivals what the full and correct rules are.
eg. Here is a pamphlet, you can go into Victoria, go directly to where your card says you are going, and stay inside unless......

Same thing for WA, except they don't ordinarily allow anybody in, and are waiting with a quarantine escort. Even so they are annoyed that not given list or number  of arrivals, as promised.

cheers
John

Directions still don't make sense to me.
OK so the two hour away from home has gone and the 5 km radius has extended to 25 km.  BUT the four reasons to leave home remain until around the end of the month viz:

• Medical
• Permitted work
• Essential shopping
• Education and care

Yet hairdressers are permitted to reopen. Under which of the above four 'excuses' does one get a haircut?

Really Shane , I thought you understood  OZ better.

The airports are Federal Govt territory. Secured by Fed police.
Vicpol only have authority to do anything IF they are invited inside to assist with enforcement of Federal law.

Do you think a Vicpol roadblock outside the airport precinct is a smart thing or sensible use of resources.

All avoidable if Borderfarce pull their finger out and correctly advise arrivals what the full and correct rules are.
eg. Here is a pamphlet, you can go into Victoria, go directly to where your card says you are going, and stay inside unless......

Same thing for WA, except they don't ordinarily allow anybody in, and are waiting with a quarantine escort. Even so they are annoyed that not given list or number  of arrivals, as promised.

cheers
John

Feds clearly negotiated with NSW to open access to NZ

Fed's open international border airspace to arrivals from NZ.

Plane Lands ate International terminal, NZ'ians enter Australia via immigration check.

Because they landed at Sydney as soon as they through immigration they are now within Australia and in the State of NSW and governance by the State of NSW.  I could be wrong, but Fed govt only provides immigration security, once you are in for example arrivals/baggage section you are covered by NSW law.

Where you choose to go next is in accordance with rules at the border between the State of NSW and any other State/Territory. Want to know more, go online!

Pamphlet, seriously, comon its 2020? You think this would have solved this? How long has this border issue with Vic been going on for? I don't get pamphlets of dos and don'ts arriving at other countries.

Also who is responsible for the pamphlet content? the Victorian's have been the one to do this, likewise Qld and WA, not the Fed's. Once again the Fed's have no jurisdiction over state borders.


It is all very simple and straight forward.

It's clearly the 5th reason

I cannot understand why everyone is getting so het up over this bubble trouble. Enzed has no current cases of community transmission and their citizens don't even have to wear masks or physically distance so what is the problem? If someone is stupid enough to want to come to Victoria our borders aren't actually closed so there is nothing stopping them from doing so.

Andrews was threatening to close our borders yesterday over this but has now backed down according to C7 news. Not that it would make much difference, the borders are one way traffic as neither SA and NSW want us getting in to their states and how many people would actually be coming here to go into lockdown?

Now WA has joined the whinge-fest, they don't seem to want anyone at all to enter their state including people who have been separated from loved ones for months. It's all just more politics and as usual ordinary people are the collateral damage

Just people looking to blame others as usual.

Really Shane , I thought you understood  OZ better.

The airports are Federal Govt territory. Secured by Fed police.
Vicpol only have authority to do anything IF they are invited inside to assist with enforcement of Federal law.

Do you think a Vicpol roadblock outside the airport precinct is a smart thing or sensible use of resources.

All avoidable if Borderfarce pull their finger out and correctly advise arrivals what the full and correct rules are.
eg. Here is a pamphlet, you can go into Victoria, go directly to where your card says you are going, and stay inside unless......

Same thing for WA, except they don't ordinarily allow anybody in, and are waiting with a quarantine escort. Even so they are annoyed that not given list or number  of arrivals, as promised.

cheers
John

Feds clearly negotiated with NSW to open access to NZ

Fed's open international border airspace to arrivals from NZ.

Plane Lands ate International terminal, NZ'ians enter Australia via immigration check.

Because they landed at Sydney as soon as they through immigration they are now within Australia and in the State of NSW and governance by the State of NSW.  I could be wrong, but Fed govt only provides immigration security, once you are in for example arrivals/baggage section you are covered by NSW law.

Where you choose to go next is in accordance with rules at the border between the State of NSW and any other State/Territory. Want to know more, go online!

Pamphlet, seriously, comon its 2020? You think this would have solved this? How long has this border issue with Vic been going on for? I don't get pamphlets of dos and don'ts arriving at other countries.

Also who is responsible for the pamphlet content? the Victorian's have been the one to do this, likewise Qld and WA, not the Fed's. Once again the Fed's have no jurisdiction over state borders.


It is all very simple and straight forward.

Shane , you want the legal authority.  AFP is the primary policing agency. They can enforce some State laws.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2014L00557/Explanatory%20Statement/Text  

The WHOLE premesis is covered. Not just the immigration zone.
Sydney Airport and Tullamarine Airport, including carparks out to lord knows where the boundary is.

Pamphlet. You're just being pendant. What would you call the arrival card?
This is the "bubble", special rules apply.
Borderfarce know that, yet they didn't even think of doing anything special. They did it with SARS.

Even a script announcement upon the plane's arrival would have been something, they do it for "here comes the bug spray".

cheers
John

Throughout this lock down I have completed restoration of 5 pieces of furniture
The last piece just finished tonight was my dining table Tasmanian oak, walnut stain (flat ply) legs and the table top itself satin clear coat no stain, the oak looks beautiful

Directions still don't make sense to me.
OK so the two hour away from home has gone and the 5 km radius has extended to 25 km.  BUT the four reasons to leave home remain until around the end of the month viz:

• Medical
• Permitted work
• Essential shopping
• Education and care

Yet hairdressers are permitted to reopen. Under which of the above four 'excuses' does one get a haircut?

1st, 3rd or 4th I'd say, take your pick. Having your hair cut properly is a basic hygiene question, something that should be done regularly and frequently, by somebody who knows what they're doing.  Many people (the elderly, the infirm, those of delicate disposition) are unable to do it themselves or have nobody at home to do it, and I think it would be unreasonable to demand everybody resort to a no. 1 all over with the clippers. It seems a joke a first, but with careful consideration I think you'll agree that hairdressers and barbers are one of our most essential services.

An interesting bureaucratic argument with which to waste some time.

I don't see getting a hair cut is either medical or essential except in special cases. As for care I should have said 'care giving' but not to worry. I can still cut my fringe away from my eyes and the rest either doesn't matter or can keep my ears warm.

Given the conflicting rules, interpretations, enforcements (and lack thereof) and instructions I am just thankful that these clowns are not issuing Train Orders.

I don't see getting a hair cut is either medical or essential except in special cases.

Agreed. All it needs is to be kept clean.

I can still cut my fringe away from my eyes

Half your luck; I wish I had a fringe to cut.

I am just thankful that these clowns are not issuing Train Orders.

Just imagine the fun. Any train trip could end up as a magical mystery tour. I guess the downside is that it could also end up as a cornfield meet.

It may well also he a hangover from a period, 17th century England maybe, when hairdressers also did minor surgical work, and were hence considered medical practitioners. Old laws not taken off the book?