NSW Government Ignores Parliamentary Inquiry Recommendations

 

News article: NSW Government Ignores Parliamentary Inquiry Recommendations

Sydenham to Bankstown will be removed from the Sydney Trains Network with stations west of Bankstown still awaiting direct services to City Circle, Inner West, and Liverpool.

  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
That response seems to be somewhat contradictory. On the one hand it's saying that the NSW Government hasn't accepted the recommendations to restore services from Liverpool to the City Circle via Regents Park/Lidcombe on the Inner West Line and on the other, that TfNSW has indicated that it is feasible using existing infrastructure.

Community consultation has already been carried out for options for T3 services west of Bankstown after the metro conversion.  TfNSW's preferred option was to restore Liverpool via Regents Park services via the Inner West Line with a shuttle service from Lidcombe to Bankstown to interchange to the metro, which makes complete sense.  I expect that in this scenario continuation of the T2 services starting/terminating at Parramatta would no longer be possible.  We are still awaiting the outcome of that consultation process.

The failure to release the Business Case for the Bankstown Line metro conversion is troubling.  What has the government got to hide?  If they are so certain about its viability, then there's no reason why it shouldn't be released for public scrutiny.  It demonstrates what a complete sham this project has been from the very start.

To cut their losses, they should terminate the metro at Sydenham and redirect it to Miranda via Sydney Airport and Brighton Le Sands as a later stage.

NSW Government Ignores Parliamentary Inquiry Recommendations

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  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

That response seems to be somewhat contradictory. On the one hand it's saying that the NSW Government hasn't accepted the recommendations to restore services from Liverpool to the City Circle via Regents Park/Lidcombe on the Inner West Line and on the other, that TfNSW has indicated that it is feasible using existing infrastructure.

Transtopic

yes the tracks are in place .. but would not use an old timetable to restore services ..  it's a two route deal on the timetable ..

the government does not wish to kill services to Auburn to Granville stations  ... it's a whole time table deal - still don't have the full picture for the metro..
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
That response seems to be somewhat contradictory. On the one hand it's saying that the NSW Government hasn't accepted the recommendations to restore services from Liverpool to the City Circle via Regents Park/Lidcombe on the Inner West Line and on the other, that TfNSW has indicated that it is feasible using existing infrastructure.

Community consultation has already been carried out for options for T3 services west of Bankstown after the metro conversion.  TfNSW's preferred option was to restore Liverpool via Regents Park services via the Inner West Line with a shuttle service from Lidcombe to Bankstown to interchange to the metro, which makes complete sense.  I expect that in this scenario continuation of the T2 services starting/terminating at Parramatta would no longer be possible.  We are still awaiting the outcome of that consultation process.

The failure to release the Business Case for the Bankstown Line metro conversion is troubling.  What has the government got to hide?  If they are so certain about its viability, then there's no reason why it shouldn't be released for public scrutiny.  It demonstrates what a complete sham this project has been from the very start.

To cut their losses, they should terminate the metro at Sydenham and redirect it to Miranda via Sydney Airport and Brighton Le Sands as a later stage.

NSW Government Ignores Parliamentary Inquiry Recommendations
Transtopic
Nothing wrong with the Bankstown Metro, long over due and the line will be significantly better off when done and may pull traffic away from the other lines. Miranda is another $4-5B and 5 years away.

The issue is dealing with the stations Lidcombe to Liverpool via Regents Park the right way and this should be 3 trains per hour via the Inner West, unfortunately for some services a platform change at Lidcombe is likely required until the Western Metro is up and running. Extension of the Metro to Liverpool should be a priority over Miranda for now as this will pull traffic off the Liverpool via Granville services. Likewise Miranda will pull traffic off current Cronulla services.
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Nothing wrong with the Bankstown Metro, long over due and the line will be significantly better off when done and may pull traffic away from the other lines. Miranda is another $4-5B and 5 years away.

The issue is dealing with the stations Lidcombe to Liverpool via Regents Park the right way and this should be 3 trains per hour via the Inner West, unfortunately for some services a platform change at Lidcombe is likely required until the Western Metro is up and running. Extension of the Metro to Liverpool should be a priority over Miranda for now as this will pull traffic off the Liverpool via Granville services. Likewise Miranda will pull traffic off current Cronulla services.
RTT_Rules
I disagree.  Why has the government so far refused to release the business case if it's so sure of its viability?  Like so much of the decision making by this secretive government, which completely ignores community feedback, I smell a rat.  You only have to look at the compromises which have had to be made for the metro conversion of the existing line compared with what was originally intended.  No straight platforms or re-alignment of tracks because of the narrow rail corridor and the consequent need to install gap fillers for starters.  We have also yet to see the level of disruption which will be caused when the Bankstown Line is closed down for an extended period to complete the conversion and commissioning.  The conversion of the Epping to Chatswood Rail Link was a walk in the park compared with what will happen with the Bankstown Line shutdown. They never thought this through from the very start, without even giving a thought to how it would impact on existing Sydney Trains' operations, which they are now belatedly trying to address.  It's been planning on the run to achieve an ideological outcome.

An alternative strategy to free up capacity on the City Circle, which is allegedly one of the justifications for the conversion of the Bankstown Line, would have been to terminate the Airport Line at Central.  It was after all the interloper as part of the failed privatised Airport Line.  It could still be extended into the CBD from Central on a new alignment at a later stage, which is how it should have been in the first place.    

I've expressed my view innumerable times that I am opposed to conversion of existing lines to metro as it compromises existing service patterns.  The conversion of the Epping to Chatswood Rail Link as part of Metro Northwest is a case in point.  One of the original justifications for this link as part of the broader Parramatta to Chatswood Rail Link, was to redirect trains from Hornsby on the Northern Line to the CBD via the North Shore and the Harbour Bridge, instead of the heavily congested Western Line via Strathfield.  That option has now been cut off because of the metro conversion and Hornsby trains are now being redirected via Strathfield.  The T1 Western Line suburban tracks between Strathfield and the North Shore Line through the CBD were already operating at their maximum frequency of 20tph and consequently the additional semi-express peak hour trains from Hornsby were forced onto the main tracks to terminate/start at Sydney Terminal.  That's a downgrade in existing services in anyone's language.

Completion of Metro West has now been pushed back into the 2030's and apart from the Badgerys Creek Airport Link, it's doubtful whether any other metro lines will be completed sooner.  That leaves a huge gap over multiple election cycles, spanning at least 2 decades.  Covid-19 throws up another obstacle for future planning and it's anyone's guess what the outcome will be.

While it will obviously be some time before the metro now under construction could be extended from Sydenham as an interim terminus to Miranda, it is nonetheless an option which could be considered.  That would have to be weighed up against other priorities.  If the conversion of the Bankstown Line to metro proceeds, and that's still not a given, any further extension to Liverpool would be low on the list of priorities.

In the meantime, while Covid-19 will continue to have some impact on existing patronage, pinch points on the Sydney Trains' network have to be addressed when things get back to normal.  If the Liverpool via Regents Park services are reinstated, which is the government's apparent preferred option, then I don't think a frequency of 3tph is sufficient, particularly during the peak.  It should be 4tph at a minimum.  The Inner West Line with its mixed stopping pattern has a current frequency of 14tph in the peak and a maximum of 16tph.  It will be more when ATO is rolled out.  That would allow for the possibility of retaining at least 2tph T2 starters/terminators at Parramatta.  Although it's not ideal, this highlights the necessity for extending sextuplication between Homebush and Granville to allow stations in between to have direct access to Parramatta at a higher frequency.

The government's current rail strategy is flawed in focussing on metro expansion at the expense of targeted infrastructure upgrades to the existing network to address more immediate congestion issues.  They may not be as sexy as a flashy new metro line, but they will give far more bang for your bucks at significantly less cost.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The NSW government obviously forgot Sir Humphrey's Rule 1; Never set up an enquiry without first knowing what the result will be.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

I disagree.  Why has the government so far refused to release the business case if it's so sure of its viability?  Like so much of the decision making by this secretive government, which completely ignores community feedback, I smell a rat.
Transtopic


business case would be running the metro to Parramatta from central station .. but the niby option had killed all rail upgrade options ...      

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Completion of Metro West has now been pushed back into the 2030's and apart from the Badgerys Creek Airport Link, it's doubtful whether any other metro lines will be completed sooner.  
Transtopic


tenders are out .. amazing how slow a project runs when it's a government tender for each stage of the project...

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