More people travelling between Canberra and Sydney by train

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 22 Feb 2020 10:29
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

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Why CAPITALISE SYDNEY and MELBOURNE, but not CANBERRA?

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The new regional rolling stock will mean that we will have an excess of Xplorers and Endeavours which could be used to provide extra 4 car services to and from Canberra. The track from Goulburn to Canberra really needs to be upgraded to allow 130+ operation.
simstrain
Gouburn to Bundendore isn't too bad, its the corridor south to Canberra. But agree it wouldn't take much to simply upgrade the track to higher speed without higher cost realignment, although this is desperately needed as well.  Any new alignment and major track work on the CBR branch should be focused on achieving 160 km/h.

The line needs Electric trains, no argument from me there, but the electrons are not to be delivered by costly overhead even if the frequency tripled, rather via mobile gen set placed under the floor.  

With new trains, service frequency should automatically be increased to 5 trains per day as a starter, roughly
5 am, 7-8 am, midday, 3-4 pm and 5-6 pm, basically trains passing just north of Goulburn most of the time to avoid passing on the single track and adding to delays/reliability issues. That probably works out as 4 sets in rotation, two spending every 2nd night in Canberra.

With some track upgrades, new trains and realignment, Canberra would certainly support an hourly service of a reasonable sized train, but the 3.5h travel time needs to be broken, which isn't that hard.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Electrification of SYDNEY to Canberra costs need to include the costs of carbon pollution as they do in Europe when costing. We now need a major package of investment in rail for the major interstate routes like SYDNEY to Canberra and SYDNEY to MELBOURNE with track alignment and speed increases and electrification with renewables.

This must be the priority.
freightgate
Still won't be justified and complete waste of money while the track is so desperately in need. Also noting that most of NSW power is currently coal, so the real benefit is limited anyway.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The new regional fleet will see a significant reduction in operating costs due to the highly efficient diesel electric operation and also because they can use the overhead where available. Instead of 6 engines for every 3 cars as the case would be with a vlocity type train these new trains will only have 2 engines per 3 car sets.

There cold be another benefit if the middle carriage has batteries to store regenerated electricity although I do not know if this will be the case. The better acceleration and top speed of the new trains could also reduce the travel time for these regional services helping the cause even further. The improvement of the track between Goulburn and Canberra is probably the best way to reduce travel time currently.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Could this be enough people to finally get the line electrified from Campbelltown to Canberra?! I wonder!

The Australian Government's promise, was to electrify the line from Campbelltown to Canberra as soon as it see's increasing amount of passengers using the service, it was mentioned back well before I was born some time in the 1970s era "early or late" not sure exactly!


Would be shamed if the V Set's are scraped now! They would come in handy once the electrification is completed, lets not leave out Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra) electrification it is needed

Instead of the NSW Government "Restoring" the tramways in Sydney! Wasting billions of dollars with some UN-Australian company, electrification should have been completed back in the early 1980s for both rail corridor's "Campbelltown to Canberra" and "Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra)" they say it was too expensive to electrify the Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra) rail corridor back in 2014! But they wasted enough money on

Cutting the Newcastle rail corridor at Hamilton
Ripping down the entire Sydney monorail system
Restoring partial tramways in Sydney
Converting the Bankstown rail corridor into metro standards "Sydney doesn't need metro, the historical railways should be left as is - Canberra needs metro, not tramways"
Got new trains that can't even fit over the Blue Mountains line (More money to fix the tunnels, bridges and platforms to make the new trains fit)

All a complete waste of money when the rail corridor's "Campbelltown to Canberra" and "Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra)" could have been electrified for less

And why is there still NO rail corridor to Manly and Mona Vale?!!!
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Could this be enough people to finally get the line electrified from Campbelltown to Canberra?! I wonder!

The Australian Government's promise, was to electrify the line from Campbelltown to Canberra as soon as it see's increasing amount of passengers using the service, it was mentioned back well before I was born some time in the 1970s era "early or late" not sure exactly!


Would be shamed if the V Set's are scraped now! They would come in handy once the electrification is completed, lets not leave out Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra) electrification it is needed

Instead of the NSW Government "Restoring" the tramways in Sydney! Wasting billions of dollars with some UN-Australian company, electrification should have been completed back in the early 1980s for both rail corridor's "Campbelltown to Canberra" and "Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra)" they say it was too expensive to electrify the Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra) rail corridor back in 2014! But they wasted enough money on

Cutting the Newcastle rail corridor at Hamilton
Ripping down the entire Sydney monorail system
Restoring partial tramways in Sydney
Converting the Bankstown rail corridor into metro standards "Sydney doesn't need metro, the historical railways should be left as is - Canberra needs metro, not tramways"
Got new trains that can't even fit over the Blue Mountains line (More money to fix the tunnels, bridges and platforms to make the new trains fit)

All a complete waste of money when the rail corridor's "Campbelltown to Canberra" and "Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra)" could have been electrified for less

And why is there still NO rail corridor to Manly and Mona Vale?!!!
cityrail-rulez

The ARTC runs the line south of macarthur which means no electrification is going to happen there. Kiama to Bomaderry with the new fleet might be possible to do on batteries with recharging at the stations. The new regional fleet is going to reduce fuel costs significantly.

The new intercity trains do fit and have run successfully to Lithgow. As circumstance would have it the tunnels being damaged by fire would have require this work to have been done anyway and so it really hasn't been a waste of money and the widening of the tunnels make these wider trains the same as the rest of the network.

As for the northern beaches they have made it clear they don't want peasants from everywhere else in the city to go there. This is why they don't want trains to Manly and Mona Vale.

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