Homes make way for $8b Western Sydney Airport metro rail line

 

News article: Homes make way for $8b Western Sydney Airport metro rail line

Twenty-eight properties along the multibillion-dollar metro rail line to Sydney's new international airport will be compulsorily acquired and another 33 are earmarked for partial purchase.

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I have never understood this western Sydney project. Why build an airport for a cost of $10b and then spend $8b on a rail line when a high speed line could have been built to Canberra with an airport upgrade there and 40 mins to Sydney cbd which is shorter than the $8b project for rail. 

Must be an Australian invention.

Homes make way for $8b Western Sydney Airport metro rail line

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I have never understood this western Sydney project. Why build an airport for a cost of $10b and then spend $8b on a rail line when a high speed line could have been built to Canberra with an airport upgrade there and 40 mins to Sydney cbd which is shorter than the $8b project for rail.

Must be an Australian invention.

Homes make way for $8b Western Sydney Airport metro rail line
freightgate
High speed line would have cost one heck of a lot more though.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller



Must be an Australian invention.

freightgate



government paperwork process .. to rush an old local rail project we had to order another airport .. to get the road upgrades we needed a rail project ..
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I have never understood this western Sydney project. Why build an airport for a cost of $10b and then spend $8b on a rail line when a high speed line could have been built to Canberra with an airport upgrade there and 40 mins to Sydney cbd which is shorter than the $8b project for rail.

Must be an Australian invention.

Homes make way for $8b Western Sydney Airport metro rail line
freightgate

$18 billion won't get you to Canberra with a high speed line. That would barely get you to Campbelltown.


What high speed rail line is going to get you to Canberra in 40 minutes?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I have never understood this western Sydney project. Why build an airport for a cost of $10b and then spend $8b on a rail line when a high speed line could have been built to Canberra with an airport upgrade there and 40 mins to Sydney cbd which is shorter than the $8b project for rail.

Must be an Australian invention.

Homes make way for $8b Western Sydney Airport metro rail line
freightgate
1) The line will cost alot more, look at the cost of the Western Metro and that wouldn't even get you to Campbelltown.

2) The users for the airport are mostly in Sydney, not 280km away

3) Canberra airport has issues with fog and mountains, not a road block but not ideal

4) The cost of a Canberra airport upgrade is basically the same as building the Western Sydney Airport due to being a brownfield site on a working airport.

5) 40min is not the time HSR takes to get from Canberra to Sydney, rather over 1h once you factor in all the stops and speed limitations.

6) The main customer for the Western Sydney Airport is actually Sydney basin freight, now you have to truck it 3h away.

7) experience has shown OS that 2nd airports that are too far away from the city centre struggle to get customers.

8) After the cost of paying for HSR to Canberra, it will cheaper to fly out of Mascot.

9) Assumption is everyone using the airport will travel via HSR, where is I doubt there is an airport in the world that exceeds 40-50% PT arrivals.
  420renegade Station Staff

why the need to mention an Australian invention  i assume your implying another country does things better ?
As RTT rules has so clearly put it there are many reasons

Sydney needs a second airport and they are getting it and its needs a rail link, a better one then its getting would be nice though.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

If Canberra became Sydney's second airport then what would Canberra residents use is another argument against Canberra becoming Sydney's second airport.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
If Canberra became Sydney's second airport then what would Canberra residents use is another argument against Canberra becoming Sydney's second airport.
simstrain
Canberra airport is hardly busy at the best of times and it's shut on Saturdays with the present unpleasantness, too little traffic to justify keeping it open. I'm sure Mr Snow would be overjoyed with extra use.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If Canberra became Sydney's second airport then what would Canberra residents use is another argument against Canberra becoming Sydney's second airport.
Canberra airport is hardly busy at the best of times and it's shut on Saturdays with the present unpleasantness, too little traffic to justify keeping it open. I'm sure Mr Snow would be overjoyed with extra use.
apw5910
Its quite likely it will never be as busy once Western Sydney airport opens if there is more frequent and cheaper airfares.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If Canberra became Sydney's second airport then what would Canberra residents use is another argument against Canberra becoming Sydney's second airport.
Canberra airport is hardly busy at the best of times and it's shut on Saturdays with the present unpleasantness, too little traffic to justify keeping it open. I'm sure Mr Snow would be overjoyed with extra use.
Its quite likely it will never be as busy once Western Sydney airport opens if there is more frequent and cheaper airfares.
RTT_Rules

A great reason to send more flights there and build the first leg of HSR.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
That is the point bevans the airport would have benefited the passengers would have.  Emeritus and Sydney people would have benefited.

The train journey from Canberra to Sydney would be quicker than the rise in from the stupid second airport.

The problem is Australia is Too many protected industries if you are a political donor.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

That is the point bevans the airport would have benefited the passengers would have.  Emeritus and Sydney people would have benefited.

The train journey from Canberra to Sydney would be quicker than the rise in from the stupid second airport.

The problem is Australia is Too many protected industries if you are a political donor.
freightgate

What a load of crap. By the time you get to a high speed train station it would be an hour then one hour to canberra and 1 hour pre flight. Not to mention that you are looking at $50-100 billion for this "first stage" as it is the section that is going to require all the tunneling and bridge building. The metro from St mary's is $10 billion for 30 kilometres and so times it by 10 for the 300 kilometres to Canberra.

Getting to Badgery's creek would involve a 30 minute journey for most of western sydney (car, bus, train and rapid busway/ trackless tram) and since it is being connected to the new metro network there are other significant benefits as well by providing a new transport service for western Sydney where there is barely any viable PT at the moment.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Is this new line going to be underground or elevated?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If Canberra became Sydney's second airport then what would Canberra residents use is another argument against Canberra becoming Sydney's second airport.
Canberra airport is hardly busy at the best of times and it's shut on Saturdays with the present unpleasantness, too little traffic to justify keeping it open. I'm sure Mr Snow would be overjoyed with extra use.
Its quite likely it will never be as busy once Western Sydney airport opens if there is more frequent and cheaper airfares.

A great reason to send more flights there and build the first leg of HSR.
bevans
No, the population of Canberra is a few hundred thousand and currently (pre CV) gets how many flights a day from Sydney?

However the corridor should be upgraded to MSR, max 200km/h.

We really need to just put the whole HSR concept behind us and focus on what makes sense.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
That is the point bevans the airport would have benefited the passengers would have.  Emeritus and Sydney people would have benefited.

The train journey from Canberra to Sydney would be quicker than the rise in from the stupid second airport.

The problem is Australia is Too many protected industries if you are a political donor.
freightgate
"Stupid Airport", really? Lets have look at this with both eyes open.
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Sydney has one major airport with a 7 hr curfew, this adds cost to international flights and also risk as international airlines operate global interlinked schedules and a delay a few days prior can have knock on effects that prevent a flight to Sydney leaving. We also have issues with some flights leaving and then running into head winds and needing Fed MP permission to land.

In addition we have peak times congestion and freight services increasingly being pushed into smaller and smaller operating windows.

Commonsense would state building a HSR to access an airport that is 280 km away, that suffers from fog and needs almost as much spent on it as building a Greenfield airport on the doorstep of the target users doesn't make sense. Especially for the flights arriving after the HSR has finished for the day. Go to Tulla or Brisbane airport for flights arriving after 11pm, you cannot even justify a commuter train running but the brains trust want to run a HSR?

The stupidity is not in the 2nd airport, rather the comment than says its stupid.

The more commonsense approach is or MSR connecting the three airports and Sydney CBD
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Is this new line going to be underground or elevated?
GeoffreyHansen
I believe the line south of Sth Mary's will be mostly surface.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Is this new line going to be underground or elevated?
I believe the line south of Sth Mary's will be mostly surface.
RTT_Rules
It will be a mix of everything according to the latest information.
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
Map from the metro site showing tunneling and surface sections:
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Some of the surface sections will be skyrail. Luddenham station is designated for skyrail according to transport nsw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYR11lvlzAo

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