Railpage radar

 
  mask4man Beginner

So i just learnt about this radar thingy and heard that it was or still is gone from 2017. can anyone just give me some info to what this actually is?

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  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
The first rule of Railpage Radar is not to talk about Railpage Radar.

The data source isn’t public, so technically, Radar doesn’t exist... for all intents and purposes.
  acbeer91 Station Master

There really is no need for secrecy, these trackers are well known.

There are various versions of live tracking in Australia. I may get some of the details wrong, so I'm happy to be corrected.

Let's start at the top. The main live tracker for Australia is called 4trak, I believe it uses a mix of gps and cellular data to monitor train location, speed etc. 4trak manage this data and display it for their clients, such as ARTC and John Holland amongst others.

It is private, with no public access available. That being said there seem to be quite a few who do have access. Some people are very good at discretely sharing 'sightings' from the tracker, most seem to keep it to themselves and their buddies.

There was a tracker built into Railpage that used the 4trak data up until 2017 when public access was stopped. There was also another public tracker using the same data from 4trak but that was also affected by the 2017 shutout.

Each company also has it's own fleet tracking. I know Pacific National and SCT have one, and again there are people with access to it but they seem to keep it for themselves and their buddies.

In terms of what is publically available right at the monent for freight tracking, there is anytrip.com.au on which you can see freight most in the Sydney suburban area, and as far north as Wyong (I think), as far west as Lithgow, and as far South as Campbelltown and as far on the south coast as Helensburgh.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU

Let's start at the top. The main live tracker for Australia is called 4trak, I believe it uses a mix of gps and cellular data to monitor train location, speed etc. 4trak manage this data and display it for their clients, such as ARTC and John Holland amongst others.
acbeer91


Correct. 4Trak is the system used for the ICE radios, and therefore, in theory, anything with an ICE radio in it will show on 4Trak. But...


It is private, with no public access available. That being said there seem to be quite a few who do have access. Some people are very good at discretely sharing 'sightings' from the tracker, most seem to keep it to themselves and their buddies.
acbeer91


Correct, and this is why it is not available on Railpage - because that feed is not available any more.


Each company also has it's own fleet tracking. I know Pacific National and SCT have one, and again there are people with access to it but they seem to keep it for themselves and their buddies.
acbeer91


These are all also 4Trak. Different operators have different logins, and therefore certain access types - for example, NSW Trains will show their services on their login, PacNat on theirs, QUBE on theirs, etc.


In terms of what is publically available right at the monent for freight tracking, there is anytrip.com.au on which you can see freight most in the Sydney suburban area, and as far north as Wyong (I think), as far west as Lithgow, and as far South as Campbelltown and as far on the south coast as Helensburgh.
acbeer91


You will get information about freight to Newcastle (Broadmeadow...) and Kembla/Nowra now. The reason for this is because ST have their own feed which works off the Rail Vehicle Detection System (in the same way their TLS does), so they don’t necessarily have access limitations to their own data.
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Vline have their own system called “TrackR”. This shows all trains with ICE radios (effectively everything except sparks), overlaid onto a map. Authorized users can see to about Benalla on the north east, and pretty much everywhere else. The system can be tweaked to show arrivals and departures for passenger trains at all locations, and a few other things, but I reckon the map with overlay would suit most gunzels.

Perhaps one of the admin computer experts here could formally approach Vline for access?

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