The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Really the one's not looking good here are the premier Steve Marshall law and SA health department for blaming someone who has lied
doyle
You really don’t have an idea of what’s happened here do you? No one is blaming the person who lied for the outbreak, but we (me, most I’d SA, the Premier and SA Health are blaming him for the LOCKDOWN RESPONSE. Why? Because instead of merely having to trace contacts that occur over time, this person alleged that they could have only obtained the virus through contact of a pizza/pizza box. Now we have to trace every person that not only came in contact with the shop, but every person who had contact with the pizzas/pizza boxes, that’s hundreds of orders, maybe a thousand people per day.

Had it been revealed that this was transferred during work, then it would be ONE business shut, a deep clean and a COVID test for the employees and their families.

You can't fault the SA response but you can fault the the hotel quantine system itself and the way it operates, employing a casualised workforce probably foreign workers on temporary visas probably under trained not tested enough (your only as good as your last test) this could/will happen again quite easily tomorrow next week next month on Thursday for all we know
doyle

You do know that we have had professional, full time, or at least permanently employed, Australian tertiary educated, highly trained doctors and nurses with full PPE still contacting the virus at work don’t you? More than once actually, so on that basis, as much as I am not a huge fan of hotel quarantine (for the record, I would more extensively test and isolate people BEFORE they are even allowed to depart for Australia, more likely ensuring they’re arriving ‘clean’) it would seem that hotel quarantine is better at isolating the virus than our hospitals, doctors and nurses - let’s not forget that a decent number of hospital cleaners are likely employed under near same terms as hotel cleaning staff.

Pay them properly, some need two or more jobs to make ends meet pathetic in this day and age, having a casualised workforce as the front line covid 19 response seems to me a lesson NOT learned
doyle

Who’s going to pay for that? They in all likelihood are being paid properly, that’s just what cleaners get paid...



The in general, primary thing you’re forgetting here, is that it’s because SA’s response to and control of COVID has been so good we are able to isolate an outbreak like this down to one person, the one room, and pretty much even the very surfaces that caused it, something that near no other country (certainly not even New Zealand with their last outbreak) would be likely able to do, if they even had the time to bother doing such investigation.

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
When will they learn, deploy ADF personal to the quarantine system (that's their job, to protect Australia)
“Nightfire”


I think that’s an unusually broad description of the ADF’s role, you might also say that of AQIS, Customs and the AFP.

I don’t think the situation in Adelaide would be much different irrespective of who was doing the work.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The only error I can see from Marshall was that he went too hard on the 'throwing the book' talk in his press conference, which could prove to be unhelpful for encouraging people to cooperate with the contact tracing system in the future.

Overall though, I'd give him a very high grade for his performance over the week - all other factors are outweighed by his courageous decision to go with the advice of the professionals and wait until after the height of the event to get political.

I thought it was amusing that Daniel Andrews was offering assistance to SA with the contract tracing on the same day that the Chief Scientist told the inquiry in Melbourne that Victoria's system doesn't work yet.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

"No one is blaming the person who lied for the outbreak, but we (me, most I’d SA, the Premier and SA Health are blaming him for the LOCKDOWN RESPONSE"
Aaron

Yes that's right I'm not blaming him either, and that lockdown would probably not happened if he wasn't part time /casual and felt the need to lie

"Had it been revealed that this was transferred during work, then it would be ONE business shut, a deep clean and a COVID test for the employees and their families."
Aaron

That's correct

"You do know that we have had professional, full time, or at least permanently employed, Australian tertiary educated, highly trained doctors and nurses with full PPE still contacting the virus at work don’t you?"
Aaron

Yes I do

"Who’s going to pay for that? They in all likelihood are being paid properly, that’s just what cleaners get paid..."
Aaron

The whole point is that they should be full time contracted and work no where else


"The in general, primary thing you’re forgetting here, is that it’s because SA’s response to and control of COVID has been so good we are able to isolate an outbreak like this down to one person, the one room, and pretty much even the very surfaces that caused it, something that near no other country (certainly not even New Zealand with their last outbreak) would be likely able to do, if they even had the time to bother doing such investigation."
Aaron

No I didn't forget anything
Again I did indicate that SA health was on top of this and doing a good job

Except that employment of part time casual workers whom need to have a second job to make ends meet if they were employed full time at one work place and an out break occurred this would be much easier as you said to contact trace and avoid people feeling the need to lie

In a nutshell casualised work is under employment and is a employers paradise
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If you think this is due to the casualisation of the workplace, then you still have all of your work ahead of you explaining how citizen/permanent Australian, Australian tertiary graduate, FULL TIME employed, doctors and nurses have picked up the virus even with their best practice PPE... Your argument is completely invalidated by that.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

"If you think this is due to the casualisation of the workplace, then you still have all of your work ahead of you explaining how citizen/permanent Australian, Australian tertiary graduate, FULL TIME employed, doctors and nurses have picked up the virus even with their best practice PPE... Your argument is completely invalidated by that."
Aaron

Geeeezzz
Who cares about tertiary graduates who know s h i t  covid is wildly infectious doctors and nurses are hands on

People that work in hotel quantine (not hands on) should only have one job one location to lower their risk of spreading covid
The proposition is pretty simple
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Doctors and nurses trained in to use ppe whereas our front line covid defence at hotel quantine is staffed by security guards part time casual workforce

I never have been to hospital and had treatment by security... You?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
When will they learn, deploy ADF personal to the quarantine system (that's their job, to protect Australia)


I think that’s an unusually broad description of the ADF’s role, you might also say that of AQIS, Customs and the AFP.

I don’t think the situation in Adelaide would be much different irrespective of who was doing the work.
Aaron
The quarantine workers many need to be required to "live on site" at the facility and be deployed for like 6 week stints followed by some type of self quarantine.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Doctors and nurses trained in to use ppe whereas our front line covid defence at hotel quantine is staffed by security guards part time casual workforce

I never have been to hospital and had treatment by security... You?
doyle
I'm not sure about the surgery, but my anaesthetist was off ill with an upset stomach, so they ordered a pizza and got the driver to put me under.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Woodville ALLEGEDLY has access to better ‘stuff’...
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

It would be that new super strain
'Wood-han-ville' strain would you like covid with that pizza
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Woodville ALLEGEDLY has access to better ‘stuff’...
Aaron
They all got really excited because they thought they'd discovered a new strain that could live on cardboard.

And there was Nicola Spurrier on Friday telling us "we didn't shut the entire state down because of the lie of one person"...

Uh, excuse me, but I think that's EXACTLY what you did!
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

spin spin spin spin spin and more spin
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Security guard first then two others from OS caught covid AT the hotel, new virulent strain that's transmitted within hours????
Funny that
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Woodville ALLEGEDLY has access to better ‘stuff’...
They all got really excited because they thought they'd discovered a new strain that could live on cardboard.

And there was Nicola Spurrier on Friday telling us "we didn't shut the entire state down because of the lie of one person"...

Uh, excuse me, but I think that's EXACTLY what you did!
don_dunstan
So what if he was abundantly cautious and it turned out to be a mistake. Good one for Spurrier. So Don, you believe you know better. Expert advice from someone that drives around in an old bomb Falcon ute?
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
A student at Woodville High School in Adelaide has just tested positive to the virus so watch this space. The school is closed today for deep cleaning and contact tracing processes as per SA education department protocol.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Woodville ALLEGEDLY has access to better ‘stuff’...
They all got really excited because they thought they'd discovered a new strain that could live on cardboard.

And there was Nicola Spurrier on Friday telling us "we didn't shut the entire state down because of the lie of one person"...

Uh, excuse me, but I think that's EXACTLY what you did!
So what if he was abundantly cautious and it turned out to be a mistake. Good one for Spurrier. So Don, you believe you know better. Expert advice from someone that drives around in an old bomb Falcon ute?
nswtrains
Shutting down an entire state's private enterprise (you know, the thing that pays the taxes to keep the whole joint going) on the basis on one person's lie isn't a problem for you? And what does what I drive have to do with it? I can assure you there were a lot of people in this state who felt exactly the same way that I did. You really come across as a born-to-rule arrogant SOB at times you know that don't you.

Get back to your leased BMW.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
A student at Woodville High School in Adelaide has just tested positive to the virus so watch this space. The school is closed today for deep cleaning and contact tracing processes as per SA education department protocol.
Gayspie
So we have to shut down all private enterprise again. Restaurants, cafes and hotels have throw away millions of dollars worth of food, casual workers get stood down - everyone has to stay at home.

For what? For a disease that kills people in nursing homes? The median death age for COVID 'victims' is 86 years old (it's been going up recently with better treatments) and nearly all of those people have serious per-existing conditions that complicate their ability to fight the disease.

We just aren't going to be able to afford to keep doing this as a nation; the Commonwealth is still spending double the amount of money that its actually earning from the tax base just to keep the nation going. That is clearly unsustainable in anyone's language.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
A student at Woodville High School in Adelaide has just tested positive to the virus so watch this space. The school is closed today for deep cleaning and contact tracing processes as per SA education department protocol.
So we have to shut down all private enterprise again. Restaurants, cafes and hotels have throw away millions of dollars worth of food, casual workers get stood down - everyone has to stay at home.

For what? For a disease that kills people in nursing homes? The median death age for COVID 'victims' is 86 years old (it's been going up recently with better treatments) and nearly all of those people have serious per-existing conditions that complicate their ability to fight the disease.

We just aren't going to be able to afford to keep doing this as a nation; the Commonwealth is still spending double the amount of money that its actually earning from the tax base just to keep the nation going. That is clearly unsustainable in anyone's language.
don_dunstan
Wrong again Don!!, Covid-19 is an extremely dangerous disease that can kill people in their 70's/60's sometimes in their 50's as well, it can leave long lasting complications to some that get it, so far in the U.S.A it has killed nearly 270,000 people!!, and it's going to get a lot worse, you can't seriously tell me that all those are "old folk", can you??
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

A student at Woodville High School in Adelaide has just tested positive to the virus so watch this space. The school is closed today for deep cleaning and contact tracing processes as per SA education department protocol.
So we have to shut down all private enterprise again. Restaurants, cafes and hotels have throw away millions of dollars worth of food, casual workers get stood down - everyone has to stay at home.

For what? For a disease that kills people in nursing homes? The median death age for COVID 'victims' is 86 years old (it's been going up recently with better treatments) and nearly all of those people have serious per-existing conditions that complicate their ability to fight the disease.

We just aren't going to be able to afford to keep doing this as a nation; the Commonwealth is still spending double the amount of money that its actually earning from the tax base just to keep the nation going. That is clearly unsustainable in anyone's language.
Wrong again Don!!, Covid-19 is an extremely dangerous disease that can kill people in their 70's/60's sometimes in their 50's as well, it can leave long lasting complications to some that get it, so far in the U.S.A it has killed nearly 270,000 people!!, and it's going to get a lot worse, you can't seriously tell me that all those are "old folk", can you??
lsrailfan
As today is Thanksgiving Day in the US medical authorities are dreading the outcome as it is a traditional time for family get togethers and an ideal time COVID-19 super spreaders to do their worst. The outcome may be horrendous. I agree with Israilfan that generally people don't realise how dangerous COVID-19 is.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
As evidenced by this thread, I have never seen any topic to rival Coronavirus that has produced so many self-appointed "experts" who are very wise after the event.
Adelaide recently had the pants scared off it by a possible pizza shop infection centre, and, to his credit, the  Premier reacted immediately. The information was wrong as it turned out, due to a person lying through his teeth. Had it been correct, and no immediate action taken, imagine the outcry if the disease had got away again.
Yet, out of the woodwork came the know-alls with immediate condemnation. A few of them need a good dose of COVID-19 to really make them realise how serious it is.
As others have said; this disease is dangerous and highly contagious. Infection control must be priority one.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

You can't make this up. Makes you wonder how good the Covid testing in Pakistan is. Probably about as good as their airline pilot testing....
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Wrong again Don!!, Covid-19 is an extremely dangerous disease that can kill people in their 70's/60's sometimes in their 50's as well, it can leave long lasting complications to some that get it, so far in the U.S.A it has killed nearly 270,000 people!!, and it's going to get a lot worse, you can't seriously tell me that all those are "old folk", can you??
lsrailfan
The data doesn't support you've said - this is almost exclusively an old persons disease.

The median age of death from COVID in Australia is 86.

The median ages of death of the average Australian are 78 years for males and 84 years for females. So the grim reaper comes for people infected with COVID who are already in excess of the median death age for adults in Australia.

We're destroying the economy for the sake of trying to save people in nursing homes who are at the end of their lives anyway - that's quite simply the reality of what we're doing.
As evidenced by this thread, I have never seen any topic to rival Coronavirus that has produced so many self-appointed "experts" who are very wise after the event. Adelaide recently had the pants scared off it by a possible pizza shop infection centre, and, to his credit, the Premier reacted immediately. The information was wrong as it turned out, due to a person lying through his teeth. Had it been correct, and no immediate action taken, imagine the outcry if the disease had got away again. Yet, out of the woodwork came the know-alls with immediate condemnation. A few of them need a good dose of COVID-19 to really make them realise how serious it is. As others have said; this disease is dangerous and highly contagious. Infection control must be priority one.
Valvegear
The economy will not be able to afford to continue to do this going into the future - that's all I've ever said. I'm not an expert on this disease but I can tell you all about the side-effects on the economic future of the young because I've seen that result first-hand.

Young people who are disproportionately being asked to pay the cost of protecting the very old from this disease with casual and private sector workers the worst affected by these shut-downs - the public sector has continued to get wage rises into this disaster so they're barely even affected by it. Pensioners and the self-funded retired also aren't affected by it but people trying to start out in life and get mortgages and more secure employment have been severely disrupted, as has the very mechanism by which our society functions - the taxation of production and labour.

You seriously think we can keep doing this ad infinitum then you're delusional - we've got to come up with another way of managing it because another 12 months of this will destroy whatever private sector activity is still left in this country.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Wrong again Don!!, Covid-19 is an extremely dangerous disease that can kill people in their 70's/60's sometimes in their 50's as well, it can leave long lasting complications to some that get it, so far in the U.S.A it has killed nearly 270,000 people!!, and it's going to get a lot worse, you can't seriously tell me that all those are "old folk", can you??
The data doesn't support you've said - this is almost exclusively an old persons disease.

The median age of death from COVID in Australia is 86.

The median ages of death of the average Australian are 78 years for males and 84 years for females. So the grim reaper comes for people infected with COVID who are already in excess of the median death age for adults in Australia.

We're destroying the economy for the sake of trying to save people in nursing homes who are at the end of their lives anyway - that's quite simply the reality of what we're doing.
As evidenced by this thread, I have never seen any topic to rival Coronavirus that has produced so many self-appointed "experts" who are very wise after the event. Adelaide recently had the pants scared off it by a possible pizza shop infection centre, and, to his credit, the Premier reacted immediately. The information was wrong as it turned out, due to a person lying through his teeth. Had it been correct, and no immediate action taken, imagine the outcry if the disease had got away again. Yet, out of the woodwork came the know-alls with immediate condemnation. A few of them need a good dose of COVID-19 to really make them realise how serious it is. As others have said; this disease is dangerous and highly contagious. Infection control must be priority one.
The economy will not be able to afford to continue to do this going into the future - that's all I've ever said. I'm not an expert on this disease but I can tell you all about the side-effects on the economic future of the young because I've seen that result first-hand.

Young people who are disproportionately being asked to pay the cost of protecting the very old from this disease with casual and private sector workers the worst affected by these shut-downs - the public sector has continued to get wage rises into this disaster so they're barely even affected by it. Pensioners and the self-funded retired also aren't affected by it but people trying to start out in life and get mortgages and more secure employment have been severely disrupted, as has the very mechanism by which our society functions - the taxation of production and labour.

You seriously think we can keep doing this ad infinitum then you're delusional - we've got to come up with another way of managing it because another 12 months of this will destroy whatever private sector activity is still left in this country.
don_dunstan
Wrong again as per usual, Covid claims people in their 60's and 50's as well, it's not just an "old person's disease" as you put it, why don't you go into a hospital and into a covid ward, do you know how many nurses and doctors have died because of this deadly disease??

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