The benefits far outweighs that small negative
https://msd.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/2733112/LXRA-Report_low_resolution.pdf
Yer Nah.I think we should make some noise to LXRP about provision for 4 tracks.
In my opinion the 4 tracks should only go as far as Camberwell, as stated in the PTV network rail plan, helps segregate the Alemain corridor off the line and extra express services beyond.
You could extend the existing 3rd track from Box-hill to Blackburn, since the third track has full provision there.
I don't think there is a need to do anymore track amplifications afterwards, too costly by that point, may as well duplicate the Lilydale end of the line or duplicate some of the outer ends of the Belgrave corridor.
I think the solution for 3 tracks to Blackburn is simple. Every train is going to stop at Box Hill, but not turning around / changing ends. I don’t know the platform numbering at Blackburn but I’ll assume UP=1, Centre=2,DOWN=3.Yer nah.
Simply put, tracks would need redesign but really nothing significant.
I’ll explain it like a Morning Peak:
Every single train approaching Blackburn on the UP stops at Platform 1, then either stays on the UP track, or diverges onto the centre express track.
Every train on the Down that intends to travel further Down than Blackburn stop at Platform 3. If a Down train is intending to terminate and form an UP service it would choose Platform 2.
Now this train on Platform 2 might want to form an SAS which means it would move onto the UP SAS track. “But what about trains through Platform 1 (UP) that want to use the express track?” Well there’s a minor conflict point. There’s an option now: Run Express on the Outer UP track, and SAS on the Centre track - only problem would be Laburnum being missed by SAS.
I hope they spend a bit more money to extend the decking over the rail trench, like they did at Cheltenham and Mentone station. In that instance it was the City of Kingston that contributed just over $2 Million to make it happen - https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/About-Us/Media/Works-set-to-begin-on-Cheltenham%E2%80%99s-new-community-space.Looking from above seems obvious until you look at ground level.
Maybe Boroondara/Whitehorse Councils could contribute some money towards this.
Decking could be used as open space / extra parking, particularly from the Union Road end.
I'd merge Surry Hills + Mont Albert stations by placing the new station exactly halfway between each and extending the platforms a little to trick the eye. Doubt it would happen but they're really so close together that most people would only have to walk an extra minute or two considering that it's only around "12" minute walk between them currently.
I agree the design looks quite well thought through and it is essential to have entrances from both Mont Albert Road and Surrey Hills to maximise the walkability catchment. Given the distance between Surrey Hills and Mont Albert is relatively short I think the new centrally located station is a good outcome. Mont Albert is not a major shopping centre, so it is probably better it is closer to Surrey Hills. I think only 2 platforms should be built with a 3rd express track running through, as in the future I don't think express trains should be stopping at Surrey Hills.It looks better than initially sounded.I'd merge Surry Hills + Mont Albert stations by placing the new station exactly halfway between each and extending the platforms a little to trick the eye. Doubt it would happen but they're really so close together that most people would only have to walk an extra minute or two considering that it's only around "12" minute walk between them currently.
Given that all the locals would be really unhappy anyway, an option would be to simply close Mont Albert and provide one station at Surrey Hills. Mont Albert locals would be unhappy, but they would have been nearly as unhappy with a centrally located station anyway. You'd be able to use the existing station carparks, and it wouldn't be that much of an additional walk to the bus or station.
And the answer was to close Mont Albert, move Surrey Hills slightly in the Down direction, and to spin this as a new
'centrally located' station.
It may be 400m from the old station, but actually quite close to Mont Albert Rd, where the majority of pax are interested.
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/surrey-hills-and-mont-albert-community-update-december-2020#6696
cheers
John
..... I think only 2 platforms should be built with a 3rd express track running through, as in the future I don't think express trains should be stopping at Surrey Hills.....yer nah,,
The Pakenham East Skyrail proposal looks quite good. Especially the separation of V/line and Metro trains.It might look good, but is it actually good?
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/two-new-stations-and-pakenham-boom-gate-removals-fast-tracked
You are correct.The Pakenham East Skyrail proposal looks quite good. Especially the separation of V/line and Metro trains.It might look good, but is it actually good?
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/two-new-stations-and-pakenham-boom-gate-removals-fast-tracked
The question is why the need for a station at Pakenham East? They'd be mad to build it on the down side of the entrance of the Pakenham East maintenance facility as it would require unnecessary shunt moves for terminating trains, and then you might as well continue the short distance around the corner to Nar Nar Goon where there's plenty of room for car parking and existing access to the freeway. Its not going to be built on the curve under the freeway which then leaves the only location as just on the UP side of the freeway overpass which is within spitting distance of the existing Pakenham station anyway.
Now anyone with access to google maps can see that on the UP side of the freeway overpass on the North side of the line around Pinehill Drive and Ryan Rd, its all very low density housing and on the South side is small industrial area which isn't going to generate many trips. The large open area on the North side between the railway and the golf course is a reserve and water retarding basin, so that's not going to be developed anytime soon.
So after all that, my theory is that the new Pakenham East station is being built primarily for operational purposes for Metro and the HCMT. This thread from back in 2018 https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2113207.htm explains a bit that non-qualified drivers such as fitters can and will be moving trains around the Pakenham East facility and doing preps and so on. The new station would provide a transition point between qualified drivers and fitters etc and could possibly even be built within the facility to avoid any disputes of non qualified drivers driving on the mainline. Looking at google maps at the Pakenham East facility, at the West end there is a dam with two tracks just to the North that look very unusual in that just before they finish in a dead end they come close together as if there should be a point installed. Earth works also suggest that it was going to be or will be extended so maybe this was there plan all along?
Its a bit of different theory but I personally can't see any reason for a station at Pakenham East and details of the why's and where's seem to be non-existant.
Pakenham East has the benefit of servicing a future suburb that will be home to 20,000+ eventually. Just edit the current working plan for the land to incorporate station access.The Pakenham East Skyrail proposal looks quite good. Especially the separation of V/line and Metro trains.It might look good, but is it actually good?
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/two-new-stations-and-pakenham-boom-gate-removals-fast-tracked
The question is why the need for a station at Pakenham East? They'd be mad to build it on the down side of the entrance of the Pakenham East maintenance facility as it would require unnecessary shunt moves for terminating trains, and then you might as well continue the short distance around the corner to Nar Nar Goon where there's plenty of room for car parking and existing access to the freeway. Its not going to be built on the curve under the freeway which then leaves the only location as just on the UP side of the freeway overpass which is within spitting distance of the existing Pakenham station anyway.
Now anyone with access to google maps can see that on the UP side of the freeway overpass on the North side of the line around Pinehill Drive and Ryan Rd, its all very low density housing and on the South side is small industrial area which isn't going to generate many trips. The large open area on the North side between the railway and the golf course is a reserve and water retarding basin, so that's not going to be developed anytime soon.
So after all that, my theory is that the new Pakenham East station is being built primarily for operational purposes for Metro and the HCMT. This thread from back in 2018 https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2113207.htm explains a bit that non-qualified drivers such as fitters can and will be moving trains around the Pakenham East facility and doing preps and so on. The new station would provide a transition point between qualified drivers and fitters etc and could possibly even be built within the facility to avoid any disputes of non qualified drivers driving on the mainline. Looking at google maps at the Pakenham East facility, at the West end there is a dam with two tracks just to the North that look very unusual in that just before they finish in a dead end they come close together as if there should be a point installed. Earth works also suggest that it was going to be or will be extended so maybe this was there plan all along?
Its a bit of different theory but I personally can't see any reason for a station at Pakenham East and details of the why's and where's seem to be non-existant.
Looks like they'll need a bus route or two to the new station when those houses come in. Current walkability doesn't seem greatPakenham East has the benefit of servicing a future suburb that will be home to 20,000+ eventually. Just edit the current working plan for the land to incorporate station access.The Pakenham East Skyrail proposal looks quite good. Especially the separation of V/line and Metro trains.It might look good, but is it actually good?
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/two-new-stations-and-pakenham-boom-gate-removals-fast-tracked
The question is why the need for a station at Pakenham East? They'd be mad to build it on the down side of the entrance of the Pakenham East maintenance facility as it would require unnecessary shunt moves for terminating trains, and then you might as well continue the short distance around the corner to Nar Nar Goon where there's plenty of room for car parking and existing access to the freeway. Its not going to be built on the curve under the freeway which then leaves the only location as just on the UP side of the freeway overpass which is within spitting distance of the existing Pakenham station anyway.
Now anyone with access to google maps can see that on the UP side of the freeway overpass on the North side of the line around Pinehill Drive and Ryan Rd, its all very low density housing and on the South side is small industrial area which isn't going to generate many trips. The large open area on the North side between the railway and the golf course is a reserve and water retarding basin, so that's not going to be developed anytime soon.
So after all that, my theory is that the new Pakenham East station is being built primarily for operational purposes for Metro and the HCMT. This thread from back in 2018 https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2113207.htm explains a bit that non-qualified drivers such as fitters can and will be moving trains around the Pakenham East facility and doing preps and so on. The new station would provide a transition point between qualified drivers and fitters etc and could possibly even be built within the facility to avoid any disputes of non qualified drivers driving on the mainline. Looking at google maps at the Pakenham East facility, at the West end there is a dam with two tracks just to the North that look very unusual in that just before they finish in a dead end they come close together as if there should be a point installed. Earth works also suggest that it was going to be or will be extended so maybe this was there plan all along?
Its a bit of different theory but I personally can't see any reason for a station at Pakenham East and details of the why's and where's seem to be non-existant.
https://vpa-web.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Pakenham-East-C234-Precinct-Structure-Plan-Dec-2017_exhibition.pdf
Busses continue to replace trains between Laverton and Werribee until 27th December following issues with a "freight line".@YM-Mundrabilla We have our third incident...
From the Level Crossing Removal Authority
"Independent investigators have been working throughout the week to identify the source of the fault and have advised that further work and testing need to be carried out to make sure the system is safe."
For those that missed it, a SG train went through Cherry St crossing, which is in the process of being removed, without the booms and bells working. Luckily no cars or pedestrians where hit in the incident.
All level crossings road traffic in the area are being controlled by traffic control 24/7
Link to the ATSB investigation
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2020/rair/ro-2020-020/
Sadly, I was right.Busses continue to replace trains between Laverton and Werribee until 27th December following issues with a "freight line".@YM-Mundrabilla We have our third incident...
From the Level Crossing Removal Authority
"Independent investigators have been working throughout the week to identify the source of the fault and have advised that further work and testing need to be carried out to make sure the system is safe."
For those that missed it, a SG train went through Cherry St crossing, which is in the process of being removed, without the booms and bells working. Luckily no cars or pedestrians where hit in the incident.
All level crossings road traffic in the area are being controlled by traffic control 24/7
Link to the ATSB investigation
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2020/rair/ro-2020-020/
Doesn't look like it.Sadly, I was right.Busses continue to replace trains between Laverton and Werribee until 27th December following issues with a "freight line".@YM-Mundrabilla We have our third incident...
From the Level Crossing Removal Authority
"Independent investigators have been working throughout the week to identify the source of the fault and have advised that further work and testing need to be carried out to make sure the system is safe."
For those that missed it, a SG train went through Cherry St crossing, which is in the process of being removed, without the booms and bells working. Luckily no cars or pedestrians where hit in the incident.
All level crossings road traffic in the area are being controlled by traffic control 24/7
Link to the ATSB investigation
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2020/rair/ro-2020-020/
One must wonder, however, about what seems the inevitable ......................
The Vlocity that 'disappeared' on Ingliston Bank the other day doesn't appear to have hit the ATSB fan as yet?
Clearly something is wrong with the system somewhere.Doesn't look like it.Sadly, I was right.Busses continue to replace trains between Laverton and Werribee until 27th December following issues with a "freight line".@YM-Mundrabilla We have our third incident...
From the Level Crossing Removal Authority
"Independent investigators have been working throughout the week to identify the source of the fault and have advised that further work and testing need to be carried out to make sure the system is safe."
For those that missed it, a SG train went through Cherry St crossing, which is in the process of being removed, without the booms and bells working. Luckily no cars or pedestrians where hit in the incident.
All level crossings road traffic in the area are being controlled by traffic control 24/7
Link to the ATSB investigation
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2020/rair/ro-2020-020/
One must wonder, however, about what seems the inevitable ......................
The Vlocity that 'disappeared' on Ingliston Bank the other day doesn't appear to have hit the ATSB fan as yet?
That said though, I do hope that the investigation of this incident in conjunction with the one in SA result in significant overhauling of maintenance procedures otherwise I await the day that someone is killed as a result of malfunctioning equipment.
Hopefully it won't take three years but even that is better than not finding out at all.Clearly something is wrong with the system somewhere.Doesn't look like it.Sadly, I was right.Busses continue to replace trains between Laverton and Werribee until 27th December following issues with a "freight line".@YM-Mundrabilla We have our third incident...
From the Level Crossing Removal Authority
"Independent investigators have been working throughout the week to identify the source of the fault and have advised that further work and testing need to be carried out to make sure the system is safe."
For those that missed it, a SG train went through Cherry St crossing, which is in the process of being removed, without the booms and bells working. Luckily no cars or pedestrians where hit in the incident.
All level crossings road traffic in the area are being controlled by traffic control 24/7
Link to the ATSB investigation
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2020/rair/ro-2020-020/
One must wonder, however, about what seems the inevitable ......................
The Vlocity that 'disappeared' on Ingliston Bank the other day doesn't appear to have hit the ATSB fan as yet?
That said though, I do hope that the investigation of this incident in conjunction with the one in SA result in significant overhauling of maintenance procedures otherwise I await the day that someone is killed as a result of malfunctioning equipment.
Hopefully we will not have to wait three years for the ATSB to find out what but in the meantime what is the betting that someone slaps a 5 km/h speed restriction on trains somewhere?
You are correct.The Pakenham East Skyrail proposal looks quite good. Especially the separation of V/line and Metro trains.It might look good, but is it actually good?
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/two-new-stations-and-pakenham-boom-gate-removals-fast-tracked
The question is why the need for a station at Pakenham East? They'd be mad to build it on the down side of the entrance of the Pakenham East maintenance facility as it would require unnecessary shunt moves for terminating trains, and then you might as well continue the short distance around the corner to Nar Nar Goon where there's plenty of room for car parking and existing access to the freeway. Its not going to be built on the curve under the freeway which then leaves the only location as just on the UP side of the freeway overpass which is within spitting distance of the existing Pakenham station anyway.
Now anyone with access to google maps can see that on the UP side of the freeway overpass on the North side of the line around Pinehill Drive and Ryan Rd, its all very low density housing and on the South side is small industrial area which isn't going to generate many trips. The large open area on the North side between the railway and the golf course is a reserve and water retarding basin, so that's not going to be developed anytime soon.
So after all that, my theory is that the new Pakenham East station is being built primarily for operational purposes for Metro and the HCMT. This thread from back in 2018 https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2113207.htm explains a bit that non-qualified drivers such as fitters can and will be moving trains around the Pakenham East facility and doing preps and so on. The new station would provide a transition point between qualified drivers and fitters etc and could possibly even be built within the facility to avoid any disputes of non qualified drivers driving on the mainline. Looking at google maps at the Pakenham East facility, at the West end there is a dam with two tracks just to the North that look very unusual in that just before they finish in a dead end they come close together as if there should be a point installed. Earth works also suggest that it was going to be or will be extended so maybe this was there plan all along?
Its a bit of different theory but I personally can't see any reason for a station at Pakenham East and details of the why's and where's seem to be non-existant.
A Metro Station Master has confirmed that the only reason PKE Station is being built is so drivers can get to PKE Depot. I imagine this to be more of a changeover, any remote/automatic shunting will be confined to the depot. Completion is marked for Q1 2023. It does have the added advantage of moving the track work away from Pakenham and I'm sure it will be surrounded by houses a year or so after it is built.
The station its self will most likely sit opposite the Depot to allow easy access for drivers. Where is the question as any new station would need an access road from Oakview Lane or Bald Hill Road. It's quite possible that like most 'Sky Rails' LXRP and Council may be looking to activate the station area with a new park or public plaza. This would make the new PKE Station prime for a large park and ride facility.
Lockie
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