Welcome to Biden Town

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.

Taken completely out of context of course. There are literally hundreds of new policies that will be implemented on day one. This will be an administration of seismic change compared to the inertia of the Trump administration.

Any government, made up of several Ministers/Secretaries overseeing several portfolio's has no difficulty in walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

Mike.
The Vinelander
So you're okay with mentally ill boys going into girls changing rooms? Good to hear.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.

Taken completely out of context of course. There are literally hundreds of new policies that will be implemented on day one. This will be an administration of seismic change compared to the inertia of the Trump administration.

Any government, made up of several Ministers/Secretaries overseeing several portfolio's has no difficulty in walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

Mike.
And out of those literally hundreds of new policies implemented from day one, I think we should be worried that don_dunstan chooses to focus on the one regarding children going to the toilet.
DirtyBallast
Another one who is okay with boys with full male genitalia showering with girls... good on you. I'm sure the parents of lots of girls will be happy with that policy, after all being a girl is just a state of mind - right?

And nothing from anyone here about (shock, horror!) the fact that Hunter Biden is a crook whose dealings in the Ukraine are being investigated by the IRS - colour me surprised. Announced AFTER the election of course. And Joe Biden's brother also being investigated by the IRS for dodgy deals to boot. Getting off to a great start aren't they... squeaky clean.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.

Taken completely out of context of course. There are literally hundreds of new policies that will be implemented on day one. This will be an administration of seismic change compared to the inertia of the Trump administration.

Any government, made up of several Ministers/Secretaries overseeing several portfolio's has no difficulty in walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

Mike.
So you're okay with mentally ill boys going into girls changing rooms? Good to hear.
don_dunstan
So you're saying that people who identify as transgender are mentally ill.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
after all being a girl is just a state of mind - right?
Don_Transphob
Unironicly Yes, the Same with being a man. It works both ways for any gender. Not being constrained by a single gender and its socialital contructs is perfectly fine. Who Cares if you were a dress or long hair or whatever.

And nothing from anyone here about (shock, horror!) the fact that Hunter Biden is a crook whose dealings in the Ukraine are being investigated by the IRS - colour me surprised. Announced AFTER the election of course. And Joe Biden's brother also being investigated by the IRS for dodgy deals to boot. Getting off to a great start aren't they... squeaky clean.
Don_dunstan
As Dodgy as the horse you backed in the same race.

So you're saying that people who identify as transgender are mentally ill.
DirtyBallest
Based on his prior statements, in this thread and others its safe to assume yes. The irony of what they (see what I did there) are saying is that there is a few studies out there that suggest being rejected and laughed at by fools such as Don actually causes mental distress in them, thus leading into mental illnesses such as depression and Anxiety.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.

Taken completely out of context of course. There are literally hundreds of new policies that will be implemented on day one. This will be an administration of seismic change compared to the inertia of the Trump administration.

Any government, made up of several Ministers/Secretaries overseeing several portfolio's has no difficulty in walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

Mike.
So you're okay with mentally ill boys going into girls changing rooms? Good to hear.
So you're saying that people who identify as transgender are mentally ill.
DirtyBallast
I know that its the fashion at the moment to try and normalise transgender people as much as humanly possible but the fact is that if you express a desire to change gender from the one you were born with then it's not healthy. There's two pointers to this: One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender. So in other words they have surgical re-assignment and then realise that they made a mistake. That's about half of all people who go through with it.

The other fact is that you are no less likely to commit suicide after having gender re-assignment - so in other words you are unlikely to be more happy with yourself after you've had re-assignment - another pointer that helping kids 'transition' isn't actually helping them get better.

What Biden/Harris are doing is trying to normalise the less than one percent of kids of identify as transgender in order to try and reduce their stress when in reality what they're doing is forcing the 99% to accept their new gender identity even though they might still have a full set of male/female genitals. It's all about punishing the majority for having mainstream norms that don't conform with the latest fashion.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
after all being a girl is just a state of mind - right?
Unironicly Yes, the Same with being a man.
Dangersdan707
Yeah but you suffer from terminal stupidity and there's no helping you.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I know that its the fashion at the moment to try and normalise transgender people as much as humanly possible but the fact is that if you express a desire to change gender from the one you were born with then it's not healthy. There's two pointers to this: One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender. So in other words they have surgical re-assignment and then realise that they made a mistake. That's about half of all people who go through with it.

The other fact is that you are no less likely to commit suicide after having gender re-assignment - so in other words you are unlikely to be more happy with yourself after you've had re-assignment - another pointer that helping kids 'transition' isn't actually helping them get better.
don_dunstan
Either put up some authoritative evidence or shut up. Your opinion is not evidence. I know a number of transgender people and your uninformed and ignorant comments apply to none of them.

P.S. Don't bother using your customary escape clause by telling me to go and look it up on Google. You're making the claims; you substantiate them.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I know that its the fashion at the moment to try and normalise transgender people as much as humanly possible but the fact is that if you express a desire to change gender from the one you were born with then it's not healthy. There's two pointers to this: One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender. So in other words they have surgical re-assignment and then realise that they made a mistake. That's about half of all people who go through with it.

The other fact is that you are no less likely to commit suicide after having gender re-assignment - so in other words you are unlikely to be more happy with yourself after you've had re-assignment - another pointer that helping kids 'transition' isn't actually helping them get better.
Either put up some authoritative evidence or shut up. Your opinion is not evidence. I know a number of transgender people and your uninformed and ignorant comments apply to none of them.

P.S. Don't bother using your customary escape clause by telling me to go and look it up on Google. You're making the claims; you substantiate them.
Valvegear
I'm not doing it, I only do links when I feel like it and on this occasion I can't be stuffed. If you aren't happy then make a report to David Head on the weakest basis possible (ie: I'm vaguely offended by something that Don Dunstan has posted) and he'll ignore you just like he's done to Graham from Queensland and The Vinelander.

It's not a PhD thesis, it's a chat board.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I know that its the fashion at the moment to try and normalise transgender people as much as humanly possible but the fact is that if you express a desire to change gender from the one you were born with then it's not healthy. There's two pointers to this: One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender. So in other words they have surgical re-assignment and then realise that they made a mistake. That's about half of all people who go through with it.

The other fact is that you are no less likely to commit suicide after having gender re-assignment - so in other words you are unlikely to be more happy with yourself after you've had re-assignment - another pointer that helping kids 'transition' isn't actually helping them get better.
Either put up some authoritative evidence or shut up. Your opinion is not evidence. I know a number of transgender people and your uninformed and ignorant comments apply to none of them.

P.S. Don't bother using your customary escape clause by telling me to go and look it up on Google. You're making the claims; you substantiate them.
Valvegear
... and the fact is that what you're saying here is that you'd rather subject young girls to the sight of full male genitalia and potential sexual assault in what is supposed to be a safe environment just because someone has decided that they're a girl. It's so absurd that you would have been jailed years ago for just suggesting it but in this perverse world of the 21st century it's actually going into law - in the United States at least.

Transgenderism ISN'T NORMAL, so stop pretending that it is. I don't care what the fashion is right now - you don't put the majority of minors at risk just because of the gender identity confusion of an extremely small minority.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
As I thought; not a shred of evidence to back him up; just his own uninformed prejudices. Nothing's changed. No need for any more comment.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.

Taken completely out of context of course. There are literally hundreds of new policies that will be implemented on day one. This will be an administration of seismic change compared to the inertia of the Trump administration.

Any government, made up of several Ministers/Secretaries overseeing several portfolio's has no difficulty in walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

Mike.
So you're okay with mentally ill boys going into girls changing rooms? Good to hear.
So you're saying that people who identify as transgender are mentally ill.
I know that its the fashion at the moment to try and normalise transgender people as much as humanly possible but the fact is that if you express a desire to change gender from the one you were born with then it's not healthy. There's two pointers to this: One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender. So in other words they have surgical re-assignment and then realise that they made a mistake. That's about half of all people who go through with it.

The other fact is that you are no less likely to commit suicide after having gender re-assignment - so in other words you are unlikely to be more happy with yourself after you've had re-assignment - another pointer that helping kids 'transition' isn't actually helping them get better.

What Biden/Harris are doing is trying to normalise the less than one percent of kids of identify as transgender in order to try and reduce their stress when in reality what they're doing is forcing the 99% to accept their new gender identity even though they might still have a full set of male/female genitals. It's all about punishing the majority for having mainstream norms that don't conform with the latest fashion.
don_dunstan
What you have actually said by coming up with your two 'facts' is that because it is 50/50, no harm has actually been caused - because (1) you failed to take into account those that want to but do not go through transition that remain unhappy, and (2) those that transition are no more likely to commit suicide.

As far as being forced to accept the less than 1% that you recognise as different, thereby scaring you, I put it to you that 99% of the population actually not only don't care about the transgender community, but are willing to embrace it. No-one is being punished.

We're a bit off topic now but your stance is typical of the anti political correctness cohort. In my opinion there is actually no such thing as political correctness. One side (your side) doesn't WANT to be told by the government how to behave. I get that, I really do. But the other side (my side) doesn't NEED to be told by the government how to behave. Are you capable of understanding the difference?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
What you have actually said by coming up with your two 'facts' is that because it is 50/50, no harm has actually been caused - because (1) you failed to take into account those that want to but do not go through transition that remain unhappy, and (2) those that transition are no more likely to commit suicide.
DirtyBallast
But it means the 'cure' doesn't work half the time. And those that transition are no less likely to commit suicide, so they're not 'cured' of anything at all.
As far as being forced to accept the less than 1% that you recognise as different, thereby scaring you, I put it to you that 99% of the population actually not only don't care about the transgender community, but are willing to embrace it. No-one is being punished. We're a bit off topic now but your stance is typical of the anti political correctness cohort. In my opinion there is actually no such thing as political correctness. One side (your side) doesn't WANT to be told by the government how to behave. I get that, I really do. But the other side (my side) doesn't NEED to be told by the government how to behave. Are you capable of understanding the difference?
DirtyBallast
You don't get the point at all, you're inviting the 99% to be subjected to some kind of harm because you want to make the (less than) one percent feel normal. That's insane by anyone's definition of crazy. And of course people are being punished, you're subjecting young girls to mentally ill boys who think that they're girls by fashion of the day and from being told by activists that they have the right to be whatever they want to be despite their biology.

And you ARE being instructed by the government how to behave, you're telling young girls that they have to accept hairy teenage boys with full male genitalia as girls. It's absurd.

Neither of you people seem to get the potential for harm that you're causing the majority - so neither of you have valid arguments that can be taken seriously.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
As I thought; not a shred of evidence to back him up; just his own uninformed prejudices. Nothing's changed. No need for any more comment.
Valvegear
Because you're wrong. Plain and simple.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Don, your phobia is apparent to all.

So who is more  mentally ill?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, your phobia is apparent to all.

So who is more  mentally ill?
DirtyBallast
So I'm mentally ill because I want to protect children from harm? Sorry DirtyBallast but you're in the minority.

Boys don't belong in the girls showers just because they have a transitory thought that they might be girls. It's fundamentally stupid and the Democrats are enablers of that stupidity. Thank God we haven't sunk to those levels (yet) in this country.
  kapow Junior Train Controller

Location: Melmac
I know that its the fashion at the moment to try and normalise transgender people as much as humanly possible but the fact is that if you express a desire to change gender from the one you were born with then it's not healthy. There's two pointers to this: One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender. So in other words they have surgical re-assignment and then realise that they made a mistake. That's about half of all people who go through with it.

The other fact is that you are no less likely to commit suicide after having gender re-assignment - so in other words you are unlikely to be more happy with yourself after you've had re-assignment - another pointer that helping kids 'transition' isn't actually helping them get better.
don_dunstan

"In a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality, only 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning, and 62 percent of those people said they only detransitioned temporarily. The most common reason for detransitioning, according to the survey, was pressure from a parent, while only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them"

"The results of a 50 year survey published in 2010 of a cohort of 767 transgender people in Sweden found that about 2 percent of participants expressed regret after undergoing gender-affirming surgery."

http://https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition-narrative-fueling-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I know that its the fashion at the moment to try and normalise transgender people as much as humanly possible but the fact is that if you express a desire to change gender from the one you were born with then it's not healthy. There's two pointers to this: One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender. So in other words they have surgical re-assignment and then realise that they made a mistake. That's about half of all people who go through with it.

The other fact is that you are no less likely to commit suicide after having gender re-assignment - so in other words you are unlikely to be more happy with yourself after you've had re-assignment - another pointer that helping kids 'transition' isn't actually helping them get better.

"In a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality, only 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning, and 62 percent of those people said they only detransitioned temporarily. The most common reason for detransitioning, according to the survey, was pressure from a parent, while only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them"

"The results of a 50 year survey published in 2010 of a cohort of 767 transgender people in Sweden found that about 2 percent of participants expressed regret after undergoing gender-affirming surgery."

http://https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition-narrative-fueling-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686
kapow
ONLY 62 percent 'detransitioned' temporarily?

So that's certainly a reason to subject teenage girls to the full genetaila of teenage boys who think they're girls. Right?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Cisgender girls are evil for not wanting transitioning girls into their showers! They're just following the defunct white patriarchy model that they're accustomed to and need to be re-educated. Right everyone?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The actual statesman and gentleman, the real  Don Dunstan would turn over in his grave if he knew some right wing ultra conservative had usurped his good name and progressive policies in a vain, but ultimately unsuccessful attempt to marginalise people who identify as trans-gender.
You have reached the lowest ebb and all of us would be doing you a favour to recommend you have a chat to a professional to try and sort out your afflicted brain.

We no longer live in the marginalised, segregated and prejudiced 1960's and quoting dogma straight out of the Murdoch media won't endear yourself to anyone except other far right wing Trumpist nut jobs, who are pretty thin on the ground in this Forum.

Mike.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Don, your phobia is apparent to all.

So who is more  mentally ill?
So I'm mentally ill because I want to protect children from harm? Sorry DirtyBallast but you're in the minority.

Boys don't belong in the girls showers just because they have a transitory thought that they might be girls. It's fundamentally stupid and the Democrats are enablers of that stupidity. Thank God we haven't sunk to those levels (yet) in this country.
don_dunstan
By your own metric you are definitely mentally ill, for the same reason as you suggest that transgender people are.

You cannot help being the way you are.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
after all being a girl is just a state of mind - right?
Unironicly Yes, the Same with being a man.
Yeah but you suffer from terminal stupidity and there's no helping you.
don_dunstan
Resulting to flinging insults when you can't bring a grain of evidence, typical. Lets have a look at some of the barriers these people face. Discrimiation when trying to find employment and comments and actions by biases from people such as yourself being a cause of suicide and selfharm. Comments and biases by your self and other media outlets of similar nature are leading to people killing themselves and the 'mental illness' you accused Transgender people of being inherit to trangender people.

https://www.starobserver.com.au/news/national-news/fixing-the-system-hiring-bias-and-employment-barriers-for-trans-and-gender-diverse-people/182062

https://www.lgbtihealth.org.au/statistics/

https://theconversation.com/almost-half-of-trans-young-people-try-to-end-their-lives-how-can-we-reduce-this-alarming-statistic-83221

https://theconversation.com/how-media-reports-affect-trans-people-and-what-should-be-done-32604

Mike is completely right in his prior statement, you bring shame to the Name of Don Dunstan, a Maverick Social Progressive who's name has been distorted by an dissatisfied pseudo-intellectual rightwinger on an obscure internet board.

So I'm mentally ill because I want to protect children from harm? Sorry DirtyBallast but you're in the minority.
Don_dunstan

Really?

The majority of Australians (59 per cent) agree that "people should be referred to by the gender pronoun they identify with, even if it differs from the one assigned to them at birth" A majority of all age groups share this view, with support highest among those aged 25-29 (73 per cent agree) Overall, 67 per cent of women agree, compared with 50 per cent of Men
ABC News


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-05/birth-certificate-is-just-a-piece-paper-transgender-more/11923030
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The actual statesman and gentleman, the real  Don Dunstan would turn over in his grave if he knew some right wing ultra conservative had usurped his good name and progressive policies in a vain, but ultimately unsuccessful attempt to marginalise people who identify as trans-gender.
The Vinelander
You people are all insane - it has nothing whatsoever to do with marginalizing people who are transgender. You're deliberately making a straw-man of my argument so that you've got a reason to hate on me. All of you were piling on trying to say that I'm pushing an agenda to persecute these people - that's not what the conversation was about.

And Valvegear, I do have direct experience of gender-identity confused kids so I know what I 'm talking about but I'm not going to discuss my experiences on this board.

I'll go back to my original point: I'm about trying to protect the majority from the behaviour of some (potentially) crazy people who are less than one percent. Think about it for a minute - what you're all arguing for is boys with complete male genetalia to be allowed into girls changing rooms and showers because they identify as girls.

This is what Biden/Harris is all about - making the majority suffer to appease an extremely small minority.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Resulting to flinging insults when you can't bring a grain of evidence, typical. Lets have a look at some of the barriers these people face. Discrimiation when trying to find employment and comments and actions by biases from people such as yourself being a cause of suicide and selfharm. Comments and biases by your self and other media outlets of similar nature are leading to people killing themselves and the 'mental illness' you accused Transgender people of being inherit to trangender people.

...
Dangersdan707
None of this has anything whatsoever to do with what was being discussed!

For the record - THIS is what a 'strawman' argument is. You say that I'm asserting X, and then proceed to attack it.

Of course trans people have mental issues because society doesn't always accept them - that's just part of what you buy when you make the decision to 'transition'.

Back to my actual argument - I'll ask you again: Do you support the proposal to allow boys with full male genetalia into girls' changing rooms and showers because they happen to identify as female?

Yes or no will suffice.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, your phobia is apparent to all.

So who is more  mentally ill?
So I'm mentally ill because I want to protect children from harm? Sorry DirtyBallast but you're in the minority.

Boys don't belong in the girls showers just because they have a transitory thought that they might be girls. It's fundamentally stupid and the Democrats are enablers of that stupidity. Thank God we haven't sunk to those levels (yet) in this country.
By your own metric you are definitely mentally ill, for the same reason as you suggest that transgender people are.

You cannot help being the way you are.
DirtyBallast
No, again, 'strawman'. SOME trans people have comorbid issues into addition to 'gender identity dysphoria'.

And again, none of you people have had the guts to tackle the original proposition instead deliberately warping what I'm saying into an attack on trans people.

Do you support boys with full male genetalia being allowed into girls' changing rooms and showers because they identify as female? Yes or no.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
So your asking a few people who more than likely have no qualifications  or deep knowledge let alone scientific experience  in this area a simplistic B/S question, why am I not surprised. Why don't you ask the same B/S question in a medical journal or scientific field with people who are experienced and qualified in this particular field? Go and google the subject and find out a bit about it before you slag off with your right wing know it all rubbish.

As for this

"This is what Biden/Harris is all about - making the majority suffer to appease an extremely small minority."


More unsubstantiated Sky after dark, Faux News right wing dribble.  

One thing though, instead of torturing my ears and watching SAD and nearly puking at the lies and conspiracies, I can just read a post or two of yours Don  to get the gist of what vileness and stupidity they were spruiking  the previous night.

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