The Aussie politics thread -

 
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Read this and be shocked, outraged and disgusted, the excerpt from The Australian. (of all places)
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/02/is-scomo-kidding-reynolds-has-to-go/
wobert

Of course, if anything happens Reynolds will be made the convenient scapegoat. Morrison will shove her under the bus to try and protect his own hide.

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  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Bloody Scroto
  Carnot Minister for Railways

To be fair it wouldn't surprise me that said advisor(s) failed to tell ScoMo.  

i.e. Many underlings only want to disclose 'good' news to their bosses rather than spill the beans on a scandal that would ruin reputations (especially of their mates).

Regardless, there's obviously a systematic problem of harassment and terrible treatment of women that needs to be sorted out (including the way it is reported and disclosed).  Much like what goes on in many big city law firms tbh...  (I have heard horror stories from acquaintances who worked in that realm).
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Speaking of law firms, the ex-Kerry Packer lawyer and Australian PM 'MT' has weighed in. Seriously this guy has issues of his own and is still trying to take pot-shots for what happened to him in 2018.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
To be fair it wouldn't surprise me that said advisor(s) failed to tell ScoMo.  

i.e. Many underlings only want to disclose 'good' news to their bosses rather than spill the beans on a scandal that would ruin reputations (especially of their mates).

Regardless, there's obviously a systematic problem of harassment and terrible treatment of women that needs to be sorted out (including the way it is reported and disclosed).  Much like what goes on in many big city law firms tbh...  (I have heard horror stories from acquaintances who worked in that realm).
Carnot
If you believe that I've got a large bridge to sell you.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The other big use of cash is for buying stuff off Gumtree and Facebook buy and sell...

It also comes in handy for bargaining a better price. And very common in small tradie jobs to get stuff repaired etc.
Carnot
Cash is still everywhere for small payments and buying stuff privately - as evidenced by the fact that they're putting even more $100 notes out there. My local bank ATM's that I use the most frequently have been changed from dispensing $20 and $50 to $50 and $100 and there's definitely more hundreds floating around out there as discussed by that report I cited a while back.
Morrison is a degree or two better than the best quality Teflon. He makes sure that absolutely nothing sticks. I wouldn't be so rude as to accuse him of lying; I'd just say he is guilty of terminological inexactitude.
Valvegear
I'm inclined to give ScoMo and the ministers involved a free pass on this one only because it was two years ago and appeared to have been resolved at the time by all concerned. Why should ScoMo be involved if there was apparently a settlement and the staffer concerned sacked? The allegations could always have been taken to police at any time (in fact the sooner the better for all concerned if that does happen). The fact that this was two years ago and is only now being dragged out into public makes me suspicious - political gain?

There's similar shenanigans going on here in SA politics at the moment - a 13 year old girl got pregnant while in state care and it looks like the minister concerned is doomed but our Premier at the moment is standing by her. Child protection is the poison chalice - what a horrible portfolio that claims ministers constantly.
Speaking of law firms, the ex-Kerry Packer lawyer and Australian PM 'MT' has weighed in. Seriously this guy has issues of his own and is still trying to take pot-shots for what happened to him in 2018.
K160
Why doesn't he just sit back and enjoy his tens of millions plus pension plus real estate, 'renewable' energy interests etc and leave us all alone... like Rudd, nobody cares what you think.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Why are female senators the ones 'thrown under a bus' all the time in Canbra?

I think the national capital should invest in more rail so these things no longer happen.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
If I go and start a bushfire, can I go to Hawaii ?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Why are female senators the ones 'thrown under a bus' all the time in Canbra?

I think the national capital should invest in more rail so these things no longer happen.
ANR
They do have that silly tram to nowhere now - I haven't read anything about whether its been successful or not.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Read this and be shocked, outraged and disgusted, the excerpt from The Australian. (of all places)
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/02/is-scomo-kidding-reynolds-has-to-go/

Of course, if anything happens Reynolds will be made the convenient scapegoat. Morrison will shove her under the bus to try and protect his own hide.
Greensleeves
I am glad that the OZ is not trying to not down play this, as it shouldn't. There are good journalists there.

However I prefer https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/dutton-takes-basic-math-refresher-course-as-pm-fails-to-market-himself-out-of-latest-scandal/

Betoota, one of the best satirical news sites, yet strangely their articles end up being closer to the truth.

While it is not unexpected, I do find it ironic that their FB page is not impacted, unlike RP.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Read this and be shocked, outraged and disgusted, the excerpt from The Australian. (of all places)
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/02/is-scomo-kidding-reynolds-has-to-go/

Of course, if anything happens Reynolds will be made the convenient scapegoat. Morrison will shove her under the bus to try and protect his own hide.
I am glad that the OZ is not trying to not down play this, as it shouldn't. There are good journalists there.

However I prefer https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/dutton-takes-basic-math-refresher-course-as-pm-fails-to-market-himself-out-of-latest-scandal/

Betoota, one of the best satirical news sites, yet strangely their articles end up being closer to the truth.

While it is not unexpected, I do find it ironic that their FB page is not impacted, unlike RP.
Big J

The 'Toots was affected in the wide sweeping cull to begin with though thankfully FB soon re-instated it.

Like you said, The Betoota often goes closer to reporting the actual truth than a lot of "proper" media outlets- Newscorpse and ABC as they've become alike.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Craig Kelly the subject of allegations from woman as young as 16 it is just disgraceful the parliament under Morrison.  As a female I am outraged by the behaviour of politicans and their treatment of woman.  How much more of this is really going on and we are waiting for more people to come forward?

  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's one of his staffers, not Craig 'Conspiracy theory' Kelly. Regardless, more poor form by Craig to not sack the creep.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

None of these despicable shenanigans would be happening if Mal was still Pee Em.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Read this and be shocked, outraged and disgusted, the excerpt from The Australian. (of all places)
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/02/is-scomo-kidding-reynolds-has-to-go/

Of course, if anything happens Reynolds will be made the convenient scapegoat. Morrison will shove her under the bus to try and protect his own hide.
I am glad that the OZ is not trying to not down play this, as it shouldn't. There are good journalists there.

However I prefer https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/dutton-takes-basic-math-refresher-course-as-pm-fails-to-market-himself-out-of-latest-scandal/

Betoota, one of the best satirical news sites, yet strangely their articles end up being closer to the truth.

While it is not unexpected, I do find it ironic that their FB page is not impacted, unlike RP.
Big J
Satire, Downfall.

  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Honestly who cares who knew what when - and what difference does it make to the ultimate outcome?

A couple of very drunk young staffers did it in their minister's office... regardless of whether it was rape or not the woman claiming to be the victim didn't press charges at that time - nor in the successive months. Now she's decided that she DOES want to press charges - where's the natural justice for the alleged perpetrator, how does he mount an effective defense two years later?

Anyway they BOTH should have been charged for accessing a minister of the Crown's office after hours for no valid reason.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Honestly who cares who knew what when - and what difference does it make to the ultimate outcome?

A couple of very drunk young staffers did it in their minister's office... regardless of whether it was rape or not the woman claiming to be the victim didn't press charges at that time - nor in the successive months. Now she's decided that she DOES want to press charges - where's the natural justice for the alleged perpetrator, how does he mount an effective defense two years later?

Anyway they BOTH should have been charged for accessing a minister of the Crown's office after hours for no valid reason.
don_dunstan
You can't get much lower can you. If the so called "alleged rape" isn't bad enough, the 2 year cover up that goes right to the top is even worse. And with Morrisons penchant for lying, this episode is one of the worst things I've ever seen from an Australian political party. With the amount of education and advertising and whatknot put into  the issues of domestic violence, sexual assault and the treatment of women, you just say "who cares".

And here you were in another thread lecturing us about sex offenders and how you know so much but couldn't respond about your qualifications and experience in this field online, but pm me if you want to know more. Which was a total cop out.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Honestly who cares who knew what when - and what difference does it make to the ultimate outcome?

A couple of very drunk young staffers did it in their minister's office... regardless of whether it was rape or not the woman claiming to be the victim didn't press charges at that time - nor in the successive months. Now she's decided that she DOES want to press charges - where's the natural justice for the alleged perpetrator, how does he mount an effective defense two years later?

Anyway they BOTH should have been charged for accessing a minister of the Crown's office after hours for no valid reason.
You can't get much lower can you. If the so called "alleged rape" isn't bad enough, the 2 year cover up that goes right to the top is even worse. And with Morrisons penchant for lying, this episode is one of the worst things I've ever seen from an Australian political party. With the amount of education and advertising and whatknot put into  the issues of domestic violence, sexual assault and the treatment of women, you just say "who cares".

And here you were in another thread lecturing us about sex offenders and how you know so much but couldn't respond about your qualifications and experience in this field online, but pm me if you want to know more. Which was a total cop out.
wobert
Does someone need to have a convo with Jenny? Ya’know for perspective.
  wobert Chief Commissioner
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I think the Fed Govt is taking the 'Let the market sort it out' approach when it comes to EVs. Rudd/Gillard got a bit burnt with billions from the Green Car innovation fund (or whatever it was called) blown on propping up old technology in the existing car industry rather than anything substantial.  One exception is perhaps Hybrid Camrys (which stopped Aussie production in 2017 anyway).

I actually think the Vic Govt are correct in introducing road use charges for EVs, even if it riles wealthy Greenie elitists like Simon Holmes a Court.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
I actually think the Vic Govt are correct in introducing road use charges for EVs, even if it riles wealthy Greenie elitists like Simon Holmes a Court.
Carnot
EV's tend to weigh a bit more, 30% or so. Which doesn't sound like much until you realise damage goes up as the 4th power...
  wobert Chief Commissioner
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Honestly who cares who knew what when - and what difference does it make to the ultimate outcome?

A couple of very drunk young staffers did it in their minister's office... regardless of whether it was rape or not the woman claiming to be the victim didn't press charges at that time - nor in the successive months. Now she's decided that she DOES want to press charges - where's the natural justice for the alleged perpetrator, how does he mount an effective defense two years later?

Anyway they BOTH should have been charged for accessing a minister of the Crown's office after hours for no valid reason.
You can't get much lower can you. If the so called "alleged rape" isn't bad enough, the 2 year cover up that goes right to the top is even worse. And with Morrisons penchant for lying, this episode is one of the worst things I've ever seen from an Australian political party. With the amount of education and advertising and whatknot put into  the issues of domestic violence, sexual assault and the treatment of women, you just say "who cares".

And here you were in another thread lecturing us about sex offenders and how you know so much but couldn't respond about your qualifications and experience in this field online, but pm me if you want to know more. Which was a total cop out.
wobert
You (just like the Labor Party) are trying to make political capital out of what happened. In your case you're trying to say I'm a bad person just because I'm pointing out the obvious.

The alleged perpetrator (who has been named by some of the media) isn't a very nice guy apparently but he still  has an entitlement to a presumption of innocence and a proper defense in a court of law. All sorts of things happen with the passage of time; witness memories diminish, people become un-contactable or die. Like with George Pell its almost impossible to try and get witness accounts, forensic reports etc. What do you do if you're accused? How do you get natural justice?

I'm not revealing on a public forum what my previous professional experience was with working with sex offenders - why should I, to satisfy the curiosity of people I don't even know?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I actually think the Vic Govt are correct in introducing road use charges for EVs, even if it riles wealthy Greenie elitists like Simon Holmes a Court.
EV's tend to weigh a bit more, 30% or so. Which doesn't sound like much until you realise damage goes up as the 4th power...
apw5910
2020 Camry weighs around 1500 kg, a Model 3 is 1600 - 1700 kg for the equivalent 2WD.

The slow uptake of EV's in Australia is basically driven by one thing, lack of suitable models. Australia is a dual cab market and they make up 20% of all new car sales and have been #1 and #2 for nearly 10 years. Yet there is no dual cab EV available, globally! When looking at Australian EV sales stats you need to focus on the class of cars available and how they compare against their ICE cousins, for example the Camry's EV competitor is the Model 3 although its still more closely but also has more features and again the focus should be on the non-base model Camry which is targeted to the Taxi and fleet buyers.    

For 2020
Roughly 13,000 Camry's sold in Oz (down 18%)  vs 3000 Model 3's, that's nearly 20%.
Note, Camry's peak sales were 1999 with 45,000 units.  The sedan market is dying globally and as such the variants on offer in Oz is also decreasing as I believe the V6 model will be history by mid year.


For my money, the Fed's or state for that matter involvement in EV's should be limited to

- Implementing standards for EV plugs, how range is calculated etc (EV plug standards wasn't implemented until only a few years ago which has caused significant harm to to the community acceptance)

- Supporting the roll out of fast charging stations (which is happening but lagging and again until people see charging stations everywhere they will assume they are still in short supply and range phobia will subdue demand)

- Removing luxury car tax

- Implementing an equivalent road tax system to replacement fuel excise tax that applies to both internal combustion, hybrid and EV equally.

- End of life battery recycling

There is no need to get involved with car subsidies. Most EV's are still luxury models and if you have +$60k to dump on a car a few grand refunded by the govt isn't going make you shift from Petrol to EV.

Another problem for the Australia EV market being RHD is currently limited EV options on top of poor local uptake. The LHD UAE has more EV sales than Australia. What is the point in providing a subsidy for Model 3's when I need a dual cab?

Yes the govt can and should look at a long-term phase out of internal combustion engine new car sales. Yes the Lib's ran a very successful campaign against the ALP during the previous election on this, both sides were both right and wrong. Billy wanted to introduce a policy without solving the other issues as mentioned above. However, the EV market moves quickly and the time is right to open this door. However getting public support will depend on the detail and govt needs to start talking to car manufacturers about what EV's they will have on offer and when in RHD that is aligned with the Aust car market. Also how to deal with the car applications that are not suited to EV's such as farmers, 4x4 campers etc.

Overall I think the small to medium sedan and SUV market can be forced to EV by 2030, at the latest. 4x4 will also likely be at the same time with exceptions.

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