Welcome to Biden Town

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
We can watch and see as his term progresses and the changes that will inevitably come along.
The Vinelander
Nothing will happen. Obama said upon winning the election in 2008 that there would be definitive climate action so enduring that it would be the moment that the sea level rises would slow. Think about that for a minute - he was actually crediting his own election to the office of President with the saving of the planet...

What actually happened? Nothing.

Meanwhile Magoo is showing everyone just what a tough and decisive man he really is by kow-towing to China excusing its appalling human rights record - News.com.au;

US President Joe Biden has appeared to downplay China’s genocide of Uighur Muslims, saying “culturally there are different norms” in every country.

Mr Biden made the comments during a CNN town hall on Tuesday night, where he was asked by host Anderson Cooper about his recent conversation with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

In that conversation, the newly elected President reportedly pressed his counterpart over human rights abuses in Hong Kong and the northwestern Xinjiang province, where more than one million Uighur men and women have reportedly been detained in a sprawling network of “re-education” camps.

Mr Biden answered by relaying Mr Xi’s justification for the abuses, saying the Chinese President “gets it”.

“You know, Chinese leaders, if you know anything about Chinese history, it has always been, the time when China has been victimised by the outer world is when they haven’t been unified at home,” he said.

“So the central – it’s vastly overstated – the central principle of Xi Jinping is that there must be a united, tightly controlled China, and he uses his rationale for the things he does based on that.”

Bravo, Mister Magoo - you've really torn those oppressive commies a new one with that speech haven't you.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
There's no such thing as 'transition to renewables' - they simply aren't fit for purpose and have no practical use in the global scheme of things as reflected in this graph:

  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The representative from SA does no service to itself by posting media links to right wing, climate change denying sources and that's where the credibility completely goes down the toilet.

If you wish to attempt to redeem yourself, which I doubt you do because you enjoy your alternative 'ogre' role, perhaps some facts, not conspiracy theories. The Trumpism era has gone for good and the northern Spring is on its way.

M.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
So we are only allowed to quote from The Guardian or the ABC then.  Thanks for telling us what to think.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
So we are only allowed to quote from The Guardian or the ABC then.  Thanks for telling us what to think.
Donald
 By courtesy of "Yes Prime Minister" here is your guide to the UK papers:-
Jim:-
" . . . I know exactly who reads the papers.
The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country.
The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country.
The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country.
The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country.
The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country.
The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country, and the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is. "

Humphrey:-
"And, Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?"

Bernard:-
"Sun readers don't care who runs the country as long as she's got big tits."
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
So we are only allowed to quote from The Guardian or the ABC then.  Thanks for telling us what to think.
Donald

Feel free to quote from other credible sources as well.

But if sources from News Ltd, other Murdoch politically biased media, Sky News et al are quoted, no source at all or sources that don't disclose a conflict of interest...there will likely be a push back from the opposing view.

Murdoch should be... but clearly is not ashamed of his influence by way of support of conspiracy theories and his outlets' supporting of Trumps cr@p about losing the election through to his straight faced media presenters and the perpetuation of that nonsense right up to Inauguration Day and the facilitation of Trumps 'support' of the Capitol building invasion to only endear that pathetic old mans bank balance.

Is it any wonder James Murdoch gave up over his conflict between his father, truth and bullsh1t and left Fox News.

Mike.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

We can watch and see as his term progresses and the changes that will inevitably come along.
Nothing will happen. Obama said upon winning the election in 2008 that there would be definitive climate action so enduring that it would be the moment that the sea level rises would slow. Think about that for a minute - he was actually crediting his own election to the office of President with the saving of the planet...

What actually happened? Nothing.

Meanwhile Magoo is showing everyone just what a tough and decisive man he really is by kow-towing to China excusing its appalling human rights record - News.com.au;

US President Joe Biden has appeared to downplay China’s genocide of Uighur Muslims, saying “culturally there are different norms” in every country.

Mr Biden made the comments during a CNN town hall on Tuesday night, where he was asked by host Anderson Cooper about his recent conversation with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

In that conversation, the newly elected President reportedly pressed his counterpart over human rights abuses in Hong Kong and the northwestern Xinjiang province, where more than one million Uighur men and women have reportedly been detained in a sprawling network of “re-education” camps.

Mr Biden answered by relaying Mr Xi’s justification for the abuses, saying the Chinese President “gets it”.

“You know, Chinese leaders, if you know anything about Chinese history, it has always been, the time when China has been victimised by the outer world is when they haven’t been unified at home,” he said.

“So the central – it’s vastly overstated – the central principle of Xi Jinping is that there must be a united, tightly controlled China, and he uses his rationale for the things he does based on that.”

Bravo, Mister Magoo - you've really torn those oppressive commies a new one with that speech haven't you.
don_dunstan
Careful, Don. Someone might accuse you of being a brown shirt for having an opinion.


Michael
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The representative from SA does no service to itself by posting media links to right wing, climate change denying sources and that's where the credibility completely goes down the toilet.
The Vinelander
So Joe Biden DIDN'T say that then, Mike? What did he actually say? In what ways was that News Ltd article incorrect?
If you wish to attempt to redeem yourself, which I doubt you do because you enjoy your alternative 'ogre' role, perhaps some facts, not conspiracy theories. The Trumpism era has gone for good and the northern Spring is on its way. M.
The Vinelander
Just as well because wind power is useless in the freezing cold - wind power supporters were trying to claim that the blackouts across the southern states were not due to wind turbines freezing - but they were. Who says that? None other than that bastion of right-wing inaccuracy - Forbes Magazine;

The blackouts were caused because Texas generates most of its electricity from natural gas and wind. Texas’ electricity mix is now 52% natural gas, 23% renewables (almost all wind), 17% coal and 8% nuclear. In this cold snap, gas used for heating increased dramatically, removing much of it from generating electricity, some pipelines froze up and couldn’t deliver, and there just isn’t enough pipeline capacity.

Wind turbine blades iced up and coal stacks froze. In addition, southern generating plants are not hardened against extreme cold.

As to the wind turbines, freezing cold and high humidity cause icing on the blades much the same as on aircraft. As Jeff Dagle, a Pacific Northwest National Laboratory researcher and expert in the areas of transmission reliability and control system security, puts it, “Like aircraft, the turbine blades work as an airfoil. But they don’t have de-icing abilities, so they won’t work if iced up.”

Sounds like the Southern United States can look forward to many more winters of severe blackouts thanks to wind power; at least they can take comfort in saving the planet from a non-existent threat while they're freezing to death in their homes or getting carbon monoxide poisoning trying to stay warm in their cars.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Careful, Don. Someone might accuse you of being a brown shirt for having an opinion.


Michael
mejhammers1
Michael, if I called you a brown shirt it would have been because you don't think other people have a right to an opinion that differs from yours. And you've certainly behaved that way in the past calling people names and telling them they're fascists just because you don't like what they're saying.

You seriously think you're not like that?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
So we are only allowed to quote from The Guardian or the ABC then.  Thanks for telling us what to think.

Feel free to quote from other credible sources as well.

But if sources from News Ltd, other Murdoch politically biased media, Sky News et al are quoted, no source at all or sources that don't disclose a conflict of interest...there will likely be a push back from the opposing view.

Murdoch should be... but clearly is not ashamed of his influence by way of support of conspiracy theories and his outlets' supporting of Trumps cr@p about losing the election through to his straight faced media presenters and the perpetuation of that nonsense right up to Inauguration Day and the facilitation of Trumps 'support' of the Capitol building invasion to only endear that pathetic old mans bank balance.

Is it any wonder James Murdoch gave up over his conflict between his father, truth and bullsh1t and left Fox News.

Mike.
The Vinelander
So the ABC never, ever puts anything out there that's patently wrong. Right?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I watched the whole of the CNN town hall meeting where President Biden answered questions from the audience and as expected the representative from SA took the Presidents' words about China out of context...as did in all likelihood the News Ltd source as well...go figure.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/02/17/china-uyghurs-human-rights-joe-biden-town-hall-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/joe-biden-town-hall/

I'm wondering if Trump had the intelligence and fortitude to do stand up town hall meetings... probably not as his Presidency was all about him...not the American people.

Mike.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I watched the whole of the CNN town hall meeting where President Biden answered questions from the audience and as expected the representative from SA took the Presidents' words about China out of context...as did in all likelihood the News Ltd source as well...go figure.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/02/17/china-uyghurs-human-rights-joe-biden-town-hall-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/joe-biden-town-hall/

I'm wondering if Trump had the intelligence and fortitude to do stand up town hall meetings... probably not as his Presidency was all about him...not the American people.

Mike.
The Vinelander
That adds nothing whatsoever to the narrative, Mike. Biden was saying that in his conversation with Xi that he was told China has to do what they can to maintain national unity in the face of perceived threats - so Biden agrees with Xi that he has a right to put a million people into concentration camps for the sake of national unity - it's all okay with him?

Please, your feeble attempts to justify what he said only make it worse. Biden giving the green light to Xi to continue his campaign of genocide is nauseating and social justice warriors like you should be outraged.

Instead you're giving him a free pass because he ain't Trump. Pathetic.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I watched the whole of the CNN town hall meeting where President Biden answered questions from the audience and as expected the representative from SA took the Presidents' words about China out of context...as did in all likelihood the News Ltd source as well...go figure.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/02/17/china-uyghurs-human-rights-joe-biden-town-hall-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/joe-biden-town-hall/

I'm wondering if Trump had the intelligence and fortitude to do stand up town hall meetings... probably not as his Presidency was all about him...not the American people.

Mike.
That adds nothing whatsoever to the narrative, Mike. Biden was saying that in his conversation with Xi that he was told China has to do what they can to maintain national unity in the face of perceived threats - so Biden agrees with Xi that he has a right to put a million people into concentration camps for the sake of national unity - it's all okay with him?

Please, your feeble attempts to justify what he said only make it worse. Biden giving the green light to Xi to continue his campaign of genocide is nauseating and social justice warriors like you should be outraged.

Instead you're giving him a free pass because he ain't Trump. Pathetic.
don_dunstan
Except Don, Trump had no problems with the Chinese persecuting Uighurs because they are Muslim. There were his view in the 2019 G20 meeting in Japan.

"Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do," John Bolton stated.

He also had tried to enlist the help of the Chinese Government to help him win a second term.

It is only when there was a trade war that the Trump Administration went against the Chinese Government.

You are right about Biden and that is why I had my misgivings about him. Whilst he is still much better than Trump, only a Progressive Government will change things for the better for all in the US.

So you see, Don, Mr Trump is no defender of Human rights at all. Your one eyed take on everything would make a Collingwood supporter look balanced.


Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

So we are only allowed to quote from The Guardian or the ABC then.  Thanks for telling us what to think.

Feel free to quote from other credible sources as well.

But if sources from News Ltd, other Murdoch politically biased media, Sky News et al are quoted, no source at all or sources that don't disclose a conflict of interest...there will likely be a push back from the opposing view.

Murdoch should be... but clearly is not ashamed of his influence by way of support of conspiracy theories and his outlets' supporting of Trumps cr@p about losing the election through to his straight faced media presenters and the perpetuation of that nonsense right up to Inauguration Day and the facilitation of Trumps 'support' of the Capitol building invasion to only endear that pathetic old mans bank balance.

Is it any wonder James Murdoch gave up over his conflict between his father, truth and bullsh1t and left Fox News.

Mike.
So the ABC never, ever puts anything out there that's patently wrong. Right?
don_dunstan
No, not at all. But they are not blatantly dishonest like Fox News.


Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Careful, Don. Someone might accuse you of being a brown shirt for having an opinion.


Michael
Michael, if I called you a brown shirt it would have been because you don't think other people have a right to an opinion that differs from yours. And you've certainly behaved that way in the past calling people names and telling them they're fascists just because you don't like what they're saying.

You seriously think you're not like that?
don_dunstan
No I don't. You just do not like what you see in the mirror Don. I have an opinion that differs to yours. I argue my point, I am not forcing you to see it my way. However, as far as you are concerned, you think that just because I argue against your points that I am stifling your freedom of speech. Stop being such a snowflake Don.

Secondly I have not called anyone a fascist at all. Another lie. I have called you a racist, because it seems that you mistrust anyone who non white. I argue that me or any other migrant as long as we follow the law and are good citizens, we do not have to justify ourselves to no one. Its a pity that people like you don't get it.


Michael
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Except Don, Trump had no problems with the Chinese persecuting Uighurs because they are Muslim, in the 2019 G20 meeting in Japan.

"Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do," John Bolton stated.

He also had tried to enlist the help of the Chinese Government to help him win a second term.

It is only when there was a trade war that the Trump Administration went against the Chinese Government.

You are right about Biden and that is why I had my misgivings about him. Whilst he is still much better than Trump, only a Progressive Government will change things for the better for all in the US.

So you see, Don, Mr Trump is no defender of Human rights at all. Your one eyed take on everything would make a Collingwood supporter look balanced.


Michael
mejhammers1
No, Michael. Your ranting and raving over the last few years led me to believe we could at least expect Biden to take on countries that are open human rights violators. If Trump had said what Biden just said you'd be foaming at the mouth along with several other people on this board.

He is not 'better' than Trump, if anything he's worse because he created an expectation of taking on these countries and now within weeks of being inaugurated he's shown that he doesn't give a stuff. Promises on promoting the human rights agenda internationally were just lies to help him get elected.

At least you can acknowledge this - people like Mike on the other hand are furiously trying to find ways to let him off the hook.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Women's sport is completely ruined by letting in biological men thanks to Joe Biden:

  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Except Don, Trump had no problems with the Chinese persecuting Uighurs because they are Muslim, in the 2019 G20 meeting in Japan.

"Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do," John Bolton stated.

He also had tried to enlist the help of the Chinese Government to help him win a second term.

It is only when there was a trade war that the Trump Administration went against the Chinese Government.

You are right about Biden and that is why I had my misgivings about him. Whilst he is still much better than Trump, only a Progressive Government will change things for the better for all in the US.

So you see, Don, Mr Trump is no defender of Human rights at all. Your one eyed take on everything would make a Collingwood supporter look balanced.


Michael
No, Michael. Your ranting and raving over the last few years led me to believe we could at least expect Biden to take on countries that are open human rights violators. If Trump had said what Biden just said you'd be foaming at the mouth along with several other people on this board.

He is not 'better' than Trump, if anything he's worse because he created an expectation of taking on these countries and now within weeks of being inaugurated he's shown that he doesn't give a stuff. Promises on promoting the human rights agenda internationally were just lies to help him get elected.

At least you can acknowledge this - people like Mike on the other hand are furiously trying to find ways to let him off the hook.
don_dunstan
And you are the mirror image of someone who is calm and considered.

Your ranting and raving over the last few years led me to believe we could at least expect Biden to take on countries that are open human rights violators. If Trump had said what Biden just said you'd be foaming at the mouth along with several other people on this board.

No, people were angry because Trump was courting such doughty defenders of freedom such as Putin, Erdogan and Kim Jong-un, whilst wanting to fight with every other Western Nation and disband NATO.

I just said that Trump was fine with it. The persecution of Uighurs. Did you see me frothing at the mouth at that? His Admin had waited until the break down in Trade talks to talk about the Chinese Government in unfavorable terms.

And he is better than Trump. Yes Biden's Foreign Policy is flawed totally, his picks for some Cabinet positions are downright disgusting. Meera Tanden and Rahm Emmanuel should not be picked at all.

You think Biden's u-turn on China was disgusting as do I. You also think that urging an Insurrection on the US Government resulting in 5 dead was merely a skirmish. And here you are accusing others of letting Biden off the hook and stating that Biden is a liar, whilst over looking the absolute dishonest, corrupt and incompetent administration that Trump had overseen.

All Trump is about is Culture Wars and Conspiracy Theories and zero about actually policy, something that at least Biden will do something on.


Michael
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I watched the whole of the CNN town hall meeting where President Biden answered questions from the audience and as expected the representative from SA took the Presidents' words about China out of context...as did in all likelihood the News Ltd source as well...go figure.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/02/17/china-uyghurs-human-rights-joe-biden-town-hall-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/joe-biden-town-hall/

I'm wondering if Trump had the intelligence and fortitude to do stand up town hall meetings... probably not as his Presidency was all about him...not the American people.

Mike.
That adds nothing whatsoever to the narrative, Mike. Biden was saying that in his conversation with Xi that he was told China has to do what they can to maintain national unity in the face of perceived threats - so Biden agrees with Xi that he has a right to put a million people into concentration camps for the sake of national unity - it's all okay with him?

Please, your feeble attempts to justify what he said only make it worse. Biden giving the green light to Xi to continue his campaign of genocide is nauseating and social justice warriors like you should be outraged.

Instead you're giving him a free pass because he ain't Trump. Pathetic.
Except Don, Trump had no problems with the Chinese persecuting Uighurs because they are Muslim. There were his view in the 2019 G20 meeting in Japan.

"Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do," John Bolton stated.

He also had tried to enlist the help of the Chinese Government to help him win a second term.

It is only when there was a trade war that the Trump Administration went against the Chinese Government.

You are right about Biden and that is why I had my misgivings about him. Whilst he is still much better than Trump, only a Progressive Government will change things for the better for all in the US.

So you see, Don, Mr Trump is no defender of Human rights at all. Your one eyed take on everything would make a Collingwood supporter look balanced.


Michael
mejhammers1

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

One of the problems with the far right supporters is you have to lay it out in black and white so the answer states the bleeding obvious and even then if there's the slightest ambiguity they'll jump on it because that's all they have.

As per the above comments comparing the ABC to Fox News.

Mike.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The representative from SA does no service to itself by posting media links to right wing, climate change denying sources and that's where the credibility completely goes down the toilet.
So Joe Biden DIDN'T say that then, Mike? What did he actually say? In what ways was that News Ltd article incorrect?
If you wish to attempt to redeem yourself, which I doubt you do because you enjoy your alternative 'ogre' role, perhaps some facts, not conspiracy theories. The Trumpism era has gone for good and the northern Spring is on its way. M.
Just as well because wind power is useless in the freezing cold - wind power supporters were trying to claim that the blackouts across the southern states were not due to wind turbines freezing - but they were. Who says that? None other than that bastion of right-wing inaccuracy - Forbes Magazine;
don_dunstan
Meanwhile the Natural Gas plants and Nuclear plants Texas have are freezing solid because they're not on the federally regulated grids and are too cheap to upgrade and winterise. They got told in 1989 and 2011 this would happen.

Funny thing is, in the more Northern US states they have winterised turbines that are still WORKING.

You're cherrypicking an edge case scenario that was forseen and not acted upon by the private company running the grid in Texas as a fact that "a+b=c"
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
...and we are back, Rolling Eyes

What makes you think the morbidity rate across nations would be the same? Across age groups? Across co-morbidities?

I didn't realise the Australian population made up of 98% immigrants over 230 years have mutated in that time frame to such an extent they are now a biologically superhuman and thus immune to this bug.  

Why don't you spend some time comparing the data from various like countries. Also before even looking at them, why not spend a few minutes just looking at the impact of the Vic outbreak, which was quickly contained and not a major outbreak by any means.

Short answer is, the death rate of the virus in Australia to date is 3% and aligned with most western countries and in general global trends, despite all the crap you have harped on about why Australia would be better off and what you failed to mention that many of the infected are returning Aussies which typically are younger and healthier and its still overall 3%.
What the buggery blazes are you talking about with similar gene pools? I'm talking about the capacity of our health system to cope AND the kinds of comorbidity that we'd see here.

We can't tell how Australia's health system would have actually coped with a large-scale breakout because 'only' 30,000 or so cases and slightly less than a thousand fatalies.

You cannot extrapolate that into a large scale event in Australia, we don't know how things would go is the answer.
Yes Don, your comments are an insult to common sense. Unfortunately, you will come back with more waffle....Crying or Very sad
Says the King of Waffle.
don_dunstan
Well you where trying and failing to tell that Australia would somehow be magically better off with the bug and therefore doesnt need the same actions to control the virus as the other 200 odd countries in the world.

Oh great, you have clarified that Australians are not super human, but our medical system is, despite the fact the govts are already basing their response on how the medical system was coping during previous out breaks. Sorry to tell you Don reality check time, no.

Seems like Don wants to follow the Swedish system, that failed miserably where as let the virus run free and lets see how we cope and how many people die. Sorry Don, how many times does this failed approach across the world in various forms need be shown to you to be a failure.

Don, you are the king of waffle. Your attempt to make our that Australia is somehow superior in its approach and gene pull in managing the virus is proof in point.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
And you are the mirror image of someone who is calm and considered.
mejhammers1
Compared with you, yes I am. Example:
You also think that urging an Insurrection on the US Government resulting in 5 dead was merely a skirmish.
mejhammers1
You've repeatedly described a few deranged people posing as Trump supporters as an attempted coup. Hysterical much? Two of those people who died dropped dead from heart-attacks. Anyway it was clearly the stupidity and unpreparedness of the D.C. police that led directly to the problem: BBC.
No, people were angry because Trump was courting such doughty defenders of freedom such as Putin, Erdogan and Kim Jong-un, whilst wanting to fight with every other Western Nation and disband NATO. I just said that Trump was fine with it. The persecution of Uighurs. Did you see me frothing at the mouth at that? His Admin had waited until the break down in Trade talks to talk about the Chinese Government in unfavorable terms. And he is better than Trump. Yes Biden's Foreign Policy is flawed totally, his picks for some Cabinet positions are downright disgusting. Meera Tanden and Rahm Emmanuel should not be picked at all.
mejhammers1
It's called DIPLOMACY, Michael. It's a complicated concept that you should try getting your head around sometime.

And yeah you were pretty much frothing at the mouth throughout the whole Trump Presidency - what it was about I'm still not really sure...
Thanks for saving me the trouble. One of the problems with the far right supporters is you have to lay it out in black and white so the answer states the bleeding obvious and even then if there's the slightest ambiguity they'll jump on it because that's all they have. As per the above comments comparing the ABC to Fox News. Mike.
The Vinelander
I'll ask you again because you seem keen to avoid the question: Is the ABC an accurate source of information a hundred percent of the time?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Meanwhile the Natural Gas plants and Nuclear plants Texas have are freezing solid because they're not on the federally regulated grids and are too cheap to upgrade and winterise. They got told in 1989 and 2011 this would happen.

Funny thing is, in the more Northern US states they have winterised turbines that are still WORKING.

You're cherrypicking an edge case scenario that was forseen and not acted upon by the private company running the grid in Texas as a fact that "a+b=c"
speedemon08
So they should be spending billions on HV interconnectors because wind power can't be relied on - just like we're doing right here in South Australia? Good to know that there's an expensive, consumer-funded solution.

And the only reason wind turbines in the north kept going was the fossil-fueled helicopters applying de-icing chemicals to the blades AND the fact that the turbines are electrically heated (at great expense) when not in operation.

And before you say 'fake meme' - yes, indeed they do use helicopters do to that across the United States, as detailed in this article from Wind Power Engineering.

  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, you are the king of waffle.
RTT_Rules
Nah sorry Shane but I crowned you KING OF WAFFLE first. You don't get to give the crown away - you have to wear it.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Meanwhile the Natural Gas plants and Nuclear plants Texas have are freezing solid because they're not on the federally regulated grids and are too cheap to upgrade and winterise. They got told in 1989 and 2011 this would happen.

Funny thing is, in the more Northern US states they have winterised turbines that are still WORKING.

You're cherrypicking an edge case scenario that was forseen and not acted upon by the private company running the grid in Texas as a fact that "a+b=c"
So they should be spending billions on HV interconnectors because wind power can't be relied on - just like we're doing right here in South Australia? Good to know that there's an expensive, consumer-funded solution.

And the only reason wind turbines in the north kept going was the fossil-fueled helicopters applying de-icing chemicals to the blades AND the fact that the turbines are electrically heated (at great expense) when not in operation.

And before you say 'fake meme' - yes, indeed they do use helicopters do to that across the United States, as detailed in this article from Wind Power Engineering.

don_dunstan

Ah, cherrypicking again.

I note you didn't once address the failure of the natural gas and nuclear plants. Maybe they should spend a motza on building expensive interconnectors because they can't rely on those either hey?

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