The issues with quarantine and the second wave still have people very upset.

Yes, given all the recent hotel quarantine issues in other states, time for a more detailed examination of the Federal Government's role, with its aged care facilities. Interesting that Greg Hunt chose to release (bury) the report into St Basil's and Epping Gardens aged care at 4pm on the same day that the Victorian Hotel Quarantine Inquiry report was released, even though they received it 3 weeks earlier. (The owner of one of the faciliites has since had 'urgent business' in Greece.) Still, you wouldn't expect any better from him or Richard Colbeck.

The issues with quarantine and the second wave still have people very upset.

Yes, Dan certainly has the runs on the board...in keeping us all safe. Not like under magic Johnson in the UK where things are going from bad to worse

https://www.theage.com.au/national/covid-19-data-centre-coronavirus-by-the-numbers-20200401-p54g4w.html?permanent_redirect=true

England, United Kingdom

• Confirmed: 2,664,129 (97.33% active)
• Deaths: 71,039

Some people are serial whingers.

Mike.

The issues with quarantine and the second wave still have people very upset.

Yes, Dan certainly has the runs on the board...in keeping us all safe. Not like under magic Johnson in the UK where things are going from bad to worse

If you define 'keeping us all safe' by having 820 deaths from COVID (766 more than any other state) then I guess you're all 'safe'.

Some people are serial whingers. Mike.

They sure are.

The issues with quarantine and the second wave still have people very upset.

Yes, Dan certainly has the runs on the board...in keeping us all safe. Not like under magic Johnson in the UK where things are going from bad to worse

If you define 'keeping us all safe' by having 820 deaths from COVID (766 more than any other state) then I guess you're all 'safe'.

Some people are serial whingers. Mike.

They sure are.

820 deaths, a vast majority of which were in the FEDERALLY RUN aged care system.

And the Feds wanted nothing to do with it.

820 deaths, a vast majority of which were in the FEDERALLY RUN aged care system.

And the Feds wanted nothing to do with it.

And still don't.

And still no implosion

And still no implosion

There's a massive recession waiting on the other side of this thing and the various government are still figuring out how to spend their way out of it.

Just let it happen, it's inevitable. Continuing to put it on the credit card is not going to save us in the long run.

The issues with quarantine and the second wave still have people very upset.

Yes, Dan certainly has the runs on the board...in keeping us all safe. Not like under magic Johnson in the UK where things are going from bad to worse

If you define 'keeping us all safe' by having 820 deaths from COVID (766 more than any other state) then I guess you're all 'safe'.

Some people are serial whingers. Mike.

They sure are.

820 deaths, a vast majority of which were in the FEDERALLY RUN aged care system.

And the Feds wanted nothing to do with it.

The representative from SA will never let the truth get in the way of his version of the facts.

M.

For months I have been banging on about the relationship between airconditioning and the spread of Covid19. To me airconditioning is the elephant in the room.

My specific interest was airconditioning in relation to public transport, especially the Comeng suburban trains with their long standing and well known airconditioning shortcomings.

It appears that the elephant has, perhaps, escaped from the room in the hotel quarantine system. It seems that this was only a matter of time as almost all airconditioning systems suck in a level of outside air, mix it with an unknown amount of recirculated already conditioned air and pump it into your room. The Covid contaminated air is then exhausted from the room into the corridor thence to the outside atmosphere minus whatever level is recirculated.

One would assume that the authorities would have eliminated the recirculated air component as otherwise the hotel simply becomes an incubator for Covid. It seems, however, that there is no way that the corridors can be anything but contaminated with air from the rooms.

Apart from the hotel quarantine one has to ask what Metro, Yarra trams and Vline are doing to reduce/eliminate recirculated air on trains and trams?

One also needs to ask whether the airconditioning in the aged care homes contributed to the spread of Covid therein. One only has to visit most nursing homes to appreciate the level of recirculated air in so many of them.

Rhetorical questions, of course.

And still no implosion

There's a massive recession waiting on the other side of this thing and the various government are still figuring out how to spend their way out of it.

Just let it happen, it's inevitable. Continuing to put it on the credit card is not going to save us in the long run.

Oh that's right, we'll all be living in grass yurts soon. Just like you predicted.

And still no implosion

There's a massive recession waiting on the other side of this thing and the various government are still figuring out how to spend their way out of it.

Just let it happen, it's inevitable. Continuing to put it on the credit card is not going to save us in the long run.

Oh that's right, we'll all be living in grass yurts soon. Just like you predicted.

Cool! Yurts are, like, so in right now! Not sure about grass ones though.......

And still no implosion

There's a massive recession waiting on the other side of this thing and the various government are still figuring out how to spend their way out of it.

Just let it happen, it's inevitable. Continuing to put it on the credit card is not going to save us in the long run.

Oh that's right, we'll all be living in grass yurts soon. Just like you predicted.

Cool! Yurts are, like, so in right now! Not sure about grass ones though.......

Grass and don_dunstan are synonymous...

I see on Facebook that Dan has a new nickname

Dan800

I see on Facebook that Dan has a new nickname

Dan800

It must be true then. Meanwhile, I see on Railpage that some gun totin' redneck is being mischievous.

Danistan loses its much vaunted "AAA" credit rating - The Financial Review

Moody’s Investors Service has downgraded Victoria’s credit rating to Aa1 from Aaa, suggesting the state’s debt is unlikely to stabilise any time over the next five years.

The rating downgrade was flagged last year and follows S&P Global Ratings’ slashing of Victoria’s credit rating in November last year.

“The downgrades reflect a marked erosion in Victoria’s governance of its public finances, at a time when the state faces substantial operating deficits ... ,” Moody’s vice-president and senior credit officer John Manning said.

“As a result, the state’s debt burden will rise sharply and remain elevated for the remainder of the decade.“

Moody’s forecasts that the state’s net direct and indirect debt will exceed 200 per cent of its revenue in the fiscal year ending June 2024, compared with 79 per cent in fiscal 2020, and is “unlikely to stabilise before the end of fiscal 2025”.

Moody’s has maintained a negative outlook on the rating, saying that “the state’s governance has weakened”, with policy priorities leading to a sharp increase in the state’s debt burden for a prolonged period, “significantly diminishing the state’s capacity to respond to future shocks”.

Cue The Vinelander to tell us that its all okay, it's only five times as bad as Cain/Kirner and there's plenty of money for new trains to nowhere. I particularly like how Moody's identified the 'state's governance has weakened' as being part of the reason behind their decision. This will make the Dan Fans on this board froth at the mouth I'm sure...

Crickets...

If ‘the feds’ ran aged care so badly, why was it only Victoria that had a real problem in the aged care sector?

Couldn’t be that the people and Dear Leader of the People’s Republic of Dansdiseasedistan screwed up could it?

Health (or lack thereof it - ie people dying near en masse) is your State’s responsibility - the Dear Leader and his contact tracers blew it, no one else did.

If ‘the feds’ ran aged care so badly, why was it only Victoria that had a real problem in the aged care sector?

Couldn’t be that the people and Dear Leader of the People’s Republic of Dansdiseasedistan screwed up could it?

Health (or lack thereof it - ie people dying near en masse) is your State’s responsibility - the Dear Leader and his contact tracers blew it, no one else did.

Lets review,

Dan Blame Morrison for it being a 'federal responsibility', meanwhile uses his health minister as a sacrificial lamb to avoid the blame it getting out of Hotel quarantine being laid on him, blames the Ages care thing on . Morrison Blames Dan cause of 'shared responsibilities for, well, public health'. Both obviously trying to save their skin and deflect blame for there handling of this crisis. Its probably worth noting that their were known to be massive issues with aged care prior to the pandemic due to a lack of funding, training staffing, ect. Along with being objectively terrible.

The Senate Inquiry into the government response into in the governments handling of the Pandemic says the following on the subject at hand.

'it failed to learn important lessons from early outbreaks at residential aged care facilities in NSW and was too slow to respond to escalating community transmission in Victoria'

“did not have adequate [public health] plans in place either before, or during the pandemic”

“failed to properly prepare the aged care and disability sectors for the pandemic”

'While it is to be expected that different conclusions will be drawn from different philosophical perspectives and genuine disagreement is unremarkable, gratuitous partisanship and point scoring is not constructive'

'The committee is disappointed that, rather than accept its mistakes in leading the health response and keeping aged care residents safe, the government has repeatedly sought to avoid taking responsibility and shift blame onto the states'

My Conclusion, Dans fault for the thing getting out of Quarantine, Morrisons fault for the aged care handling. Both avoiding blame.

I see on Facebook that Dan has a new nickname

Dan800

Cool.

I prefer Donald500000 though.

Crickets...

Crickets? Are you sure it's not just crab lice?

If ‘the feds’ ran aged care so badly, why was it only Victoria that had a real problem in the aged care sector?

Couldn’t be that the people and Dear Leader of the People’s Republic of Dansdiseasedistan screwed up could it?

Health (or lack thereof it - ie people dying near en masse) is your State’s responsibility - the Dear Leader and his contact tracers blew it, no one else did.

Kristina Keneally has also been (repeatedly) trying to sheet home the blame for the Ruby Princess thing on Border Force but by some weird quirk of the constitution people arriving in this country with infectious diseases is actually a state government thing.

… the Dear Leader and his contact tracers blew it, no one else did.

To be fair to the contract tracers, it's not their fault that the Dear Leader hadn't bothered to buy them a computer-based system in time for the second wave.

Aged Care - federal responsibility, as in doctors not trained and double booking vaccinations.
Plenty of examples of breaches of hotel quarantine in other states.

Sounds like Dictator Dan is doing more dodgy deals with Fiona "sell-out" Patten.



I put her mob last on the ballet paper last time and I will again. Guaranteed.