The Ashes 2021/2022

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Selectors will on Wednesday name Australia's squad for the opening Ashes Test in Brisbane, with questions over the middle-order and back-up fast bowling spots yet to be resolved.

I think unfortunately Wade will miss out.

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  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
I would love to see Adam Zampa in the squad, I think his wrist spin has been superb as of late.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I would love to see Adam Zampa in the squad, I think his wrist spin has been superb as of late.
lsrailfan

He did very well in the BBL last year and also in the T20 squad recent world cup winners.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Australia's Ashes squad: Tim Paine (c), Pat Cummins (vc), Cameron Green, Josh Hazlewood, Marcus Harris, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Michael Neser, Jhye Richardson, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner

Australia A players: Sean Abbott, Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Henry Hunt, Josh Inglis, Nic Maddinson, Mitchell Marsh, Matt Renshaw, Mark Steketee, Bryce Street

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Usman Khawaja ?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Zampa's misfortune is that Australian teams rarely include two spinners, and Nathan Lyon is the man in possession. The Australian squads show that the selectors don't rate Zampa, and I'd love to know why. To me, he's a much superior spinner to either Swepson or Agar, but some mindset seems to have him as "Limited Over Games Only". Khawaja gets another chance which Ian Chappell won't like. His view is that Usman gets runs against mediocre attacks but fails against top class bowling, and I have some sympathy for Chappelli's view. I can't see why anyone laments the omission of Wade. He can't be selected as a keeper because he's not good enough, and I don't think he is worth a Test place for his batting alone. Having said that, we come to Travis Head who gets yet another chance despite his dismal Test record and no current form to warrant a place. Starc keeps his place on reputation alone, with both Hazelwood and Cummins far better bowlers. Marcus Harris has been resurrected to open again. His previous chances didn't succeed, so he will be watched with interest. The bottom line is that the only batsman really on top of his game at the moment is Warner. Labuschagne has had his moments but is not consistent so far this season. He is one who also needs a good firm kick in the pants and a severe lecture about showing respect to umpires. His caper of running down the pitch celebrating without even looking to see that the decision is "not out" should be jumped on firmly.
If "Dad's Army", to wit Anderson and Broad, are on song, the Australian top order will need their wits about them. A backward point, about 30 metres from the bat, should be automatic when Warner bats. His one evident weakness is that he cuts in the air through that area.
Interesting times ahead! Len Hutton used to say that to beat Australia in Australia, the England team needed to be 25% better than the host country's side. We shall see.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Zampa's misfortune is that Australian teams rarely include two spinners, and Nathan Lyon is the man in possession. The Australian squads show that the selectors don't rate Zampa, and I'd love to know why. To me, he's a much superior spinner to either Swepson or Agar, but some mindset seems to have him as "Limited Over Games Only". Khawaja gets another chance which Ian Chappell won't like. His view is that Usman gets runs against mediocre attacks but fails against top class bowling, and I have some sympathy for Chappelli's view. I can't see why anyone laments the omission of Wade. He can't be selected as a keeper because he's not good enough, and I don't think he is worth a Test place for his batting alone. Having said that, we come to Travis Head who gets yet another chance despite his dismal Test record and no current form to warrant a place. Starc keeps his place on reputation alone, with both Hazelwood and Cummins far better bowlers. Marcus Harris has been resurrected to open again. His previous chances didn't succeed, so he will be watched with interest. The bottom line is that the only batsman really on top of his game at the moment is Warner. Labuschagne has had his moments but is not consistent so far this season. He is one who also needs a good firm kick in the pants and a severe lecture about showing respect to umpires. His caper of running down the pitch celebrating without even looking to see that the decision is "not out" should be jumped on firmly.
If "Dad's Army", to wit Anderson and Broad, are on song, the Australian top order will need their wits about them. A backward point, about 30 metres from the bat, should be automatic when Warner bats. His one evident weakness is that he cuts in the air through that area.
Interesting times ahead! Len Hutton used to say that to beat Australia in Australia, the England team needed to be 25% better than the host country's side. We shall see.
Valvegear
I to am disappointed at Zampa's non inclusion, if a player can play well at ODI Level, technically, he should be able to perform well at Test Level, this squad is only for the first 2 Tests, so fingers crossed, Zampa gets a mention later on, I would also have Starc carrying the drinks!!
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I must make one apology for a comment in my previous post. I was overly critical of Travis Head's Test record, due mainly to a bad memory. His average is higher than I'd thought. I think what has disappointed me is that he devised ways to get out when well set, and top class batters don't do this.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tim Paine has resigned as Australian Test captain as allegations of a sexting scandal while he was a Tasmanian state player emerge.

The shock development throws Australia’s Ashes preparation into chaos with the issue sure to create an enormous distraction ahead of the series. The Australian expects Pat Cummins will be appointed to the role for the Ashes.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Tim Paine has resigned as Australian Test captain as allegations of a sexting scandal while he was a Tasmanian state player emerge.

The shock development throws Australia’s Ashes preparation into chaos with the issue sure to create an enormous distraction ahead of the series. The Australian expects Pat Cummins will be appointed to the role for the Ashes.
bevans
Apparently exonerated by Cricket Tasmania and Cricket Australia but a media outlet is going to publish the details so it's off with his head

The person who he had the text exchange with has apparently been charged with offences committed while working for CT just to add some extra spice to the tale

Pretty dumb of him but who amongst us can't say we haven't some anything stupid in our lives but this is the age of outrage so he has to go
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Tim Paine has resigned as Australian Test captain as allegations of a sexting scandal while he was a Tasmanian state player emerge.

The shock development throws Australia’s Ashes preparation into chaos with the issue sure to create an enormous distraction ahead of the series. The Australian expects Pat Cummins will be appointed to the role for the Ashes.
Apparently exonerated by Cricket Tasmania and Cricket Australia but a media outlet is going to publish the details so it's off with his head

The person who he had the text exchange with has apparently been charged with offences committed while working for CT just to add some extra spice to the tale

Pretty dumb of him but who amongst us can't say we haven't some anything stupid in our lives but this is the age of outrage so he has to go
BrentonGolding
A bit of truth to your last statement, no it's not the worst crime in the world, just dumb that's all! but I do agree that he had to stand down once the allegation was out there, it would be a terrible look for the sport had he not stood down.

As for the new Captain, they are mentioning Pat Cummins name, and possibly Steve Smith for the VC job.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

John The Bookie all over again.

CA found out about this in early 2018, and just like John The Bookie they could have endured a minor embarrassment at the time (especially as in 2018 it would have been lost in the uproar over Cape Town) instead of it becoming a major scandal once it came out three years later.

Shaun Marsh has the most right to be angry. With the crucial advantage of being from WA (Langer had just been appointed coach) he could have been appointed as the captain in 2018 if Paine had to be sent to the naughty corner for a while.

The question relevant to the Ashes is whether the wicketkeeper's spot is up for grabs. Paine sits somewhere at least one place behind Wade (and others) in the hierarchy of contention for the wicketkeeper position (Lehmann selected him in 2017-18 because Wade was injured) and no longer has the advantage of being eligible for selection as a Specialist Good Bloke who can do a bit of part-time keeping.

The other major question is whether the Tasmanian Tiger's wife has access to any golf clubs?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

... Khawaja gets another chance which Ian Chappell won't like. His view is that Usman gets runs against mediocre attacks but fails against top class bowling, and I have some sympathy for Chappelli's view.
Valvegear


I think Khawaja has had a pretty raw deal for most of his career.  I can't think of a player who'd been dropped as many times as he has, more often than not to make way for Sean Marsh on the back of scintillating BBL performances.

As a player, Khawaja has been consistently the 3rd best bat in Australia for the past decade.  IMHO he should have been Warner's opening partner - or Warner at #3 - for much of that time.  Khawaja is *not* a great test player.  But he is a test class batter, which is more than can be said for the very occupants of the top 6 of Australia's batting order over the past decade.

At QLD he's shown himself to be a fine leader as well.  IMHO - and I wish this wasn't true - racism as much as anything has kept him out of the team.  People look at his name and his skin, and expect him to be a great player of spin.  But he's not, it's his weakness.  He's bats more like a typical Australian - even West Australian - than most other Aussie players (good off the back foot against pace, and off his pads).

If he'd played for Australia as often has he should have, he'd be the obvious choice for captain.  But ... he's too old now, there are better younger options.


I can't see why anyone laments the omission of Wade.
Valvegear

I've developed a bit of a soft spot for Wade - despite thinking he's the king of the bogans.  I was impressed with the way he played last year batting at #1 in tests.  He clearly thinks about his game, and finds ways to succeed (unfortunately not often enough).  It's hard to Imagine T Head opening the innings as effectively - or being as adaptable.

But, too old, too loud mouthed, too untalented to retain/regain his spot.


If "Dad's Army", to wit Anderson and Broad, are on song, the Australian top order will need their wits about them.

Interesting times ahead!  ...  We shall see.
Valvegear


Short of selecting Pucovski instead of Harris (and the poor kid probably should never play again), I can't see much benefit in changing the Aussie side.  

Starc, I agree - he stuffs up the balance of the side.  Lyon does  to some extent too.  But Starc is a match-winner, and he'll probably win us a test in a few overs and cost us one by denying Sweptson (sorry he got too many wickets last season to be denied) a spot.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The question relevant to the Ashes is whether the wicketkeeper's spot is up for grabs. Paine sits somewhere at least one place behind Wade (and others) in the hierarchy of contention for the wicketkeeper position (Lehmann selected him in 2017-18 because Wade was injured) and no longer has the advantage of being eligible for selection as a Specialist Good Bloke who can do a bit of part-time keeping.
justapassenger
Wade has never been the best wicket keeper in Australia. He makes far too many mistakes particularly when standing up to the stumps. He contrived to drop Zampa's hat trick ball in the recent T20 -a catch that any international keeper should have swallowed. Wade failed to use his feet and reached for it.  
It has been pointed out ad nauseam that selectors should pick the best keeper regardless of whether he can bat or not. There is ample evidence, going back as far as Jim Parks v John Murray for England at the MCG in the 1960's. Parks was the better batsman; no question. He made 71 in England's only innings. He also failed to stump both Burge and Walters and ended up "in debt" gifting Australia 205 runs with his own nett loss being 134. Had he made those stumpings England would have needed 21 in the second innings to win the match.
On any grounds, Wade, good bloke and team man that he is, cannot command a place as either keeper or batsman.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Which in turn proves that Paine should be dropped from the squad immediately to make way for one of Carey, Inglis or Peirson.

No sense keeping a keeper who is even lower in the pecking order than Wade.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Biggest shame is the retirement of James Patterson. Should have had a stellar career. Reminds me of the waste of previous fast bowling talents like Bruce Reid and Damien Fleming.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Which in turn proves that Paine should be dropped from the squad immediately to make way for one of Carey, Inglis or Peirson.

No sense keeping a keeper who is even lower in the pecking order than Wade.
"justapassenger"
That's if one accepts your first premise that Paine was lower in the pecking order than Wade as being based solely on keeping prowess.  On too many occasions, batting ability takes too much precedence. As a keeper, Paine plays Wade off a break; far better standing up, and that's the toughest part of wicketkeeping.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Biggest shame is the retirement of James Patterson. Should have had a stellar career. Reminds me of the waste of previous fast bowling talents like Bruce Reid and Damien Fleming.
"Mr.Lane"
That would be James Pattinson. He has played a lot of ODI and County cricket in his time, and has been plagued by stress fractures in his back. He had treatment, but has called it a day at the age of 31, with 21 Tests and 81 wickets to his name
Reid and Fleming are remarkably similar; both were very good bowlers whose bodies cried, "Enough!" - Reid at 29 years old, with 27 Tests and 113 wickets, Fleming at 33, with 20 Tests and 75 wickets.
Fleming is the unluckiest; he would have two Test hat tricks to his credit if Shane Warne hadn't dropped a sitter at first slip to deprive him of hat trick no 2. At the time, some gratuitous advice from the outer was "Catch it in your big mouth, Warne."
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Probably dumb - I've been told that before but three things puzzle me? This is old hat - 4 years ago and already investigated and put to bed (temporarily it seems):
  • Why now?
  • Why at all?
  • Why not name the female?
OK it's a stupid thing to do especially in the 'Me too' era of today but it still takes two.
Nothing else for the HUN to print today or is there a hidden agenda somewhere?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Apropos the earlier discussion about Mitchell Starc; here are some quite telling statistics.

4 February 2021.

MITCHELL STARC’S BOWLING AVERAGE IN TEST CRICKET
1st match of a series:  24.04
2nd match of a series: 24.75
3rd match of a series: 31.67
4th match of a series: 36.94
5th match of a series: 52.66

MITCHELL STARC’S STRIKE RATE IN TEST CRICKET
1st match of a series:  44.1
2nd match of a series: 44.3
3rd match of a series:  55.7
4th match of a series:  60.3
5th match of a series: 101.0
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Given the ‘sexting’ was consensual, what exactly has he done wrong? Come the winter solstice in Hobart, they all run round in the nude in public.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I agree. I can't see that he has done anything particularly wrong. Consenting adults in private is nobody else's business.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
I agree. I can't see that he has done anything particularly wrong. Consenting adults in private is nobody else's business.
Valvegear
I guess it's because sexting is a thing, and it was covered up. If Australia's other captain (the PM) was similarly exposesd, even if it was consensual, would you apply the same amount of latitude?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Sexting is not illegal. It's sending unsolicited texts, usually to females, that is. On the Morals front, Barnaby Joyce is still Deputy PM.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I guess it's because sexting is a thing, and it was covered up. If Australia's other captain (the PM) was similarly exposesd, even if it was consensual, would you apply the same amount of latitude?
"DirtyBallast"
I'd think what I do now. It's an odd thing to do; it's not my bag, and it's not my business. I think it's strange and it would probably affect my judgement of the Captain's mental state, but it's not something to be hanged for. He can go to bed with a feather duster, fishnet stockings and a bowl of hot chocolate for all I care.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I agree. I can't see that he has done anything particularly wrong. Consenting adults in private is nobody else's business.
I guess it's because sexting is a thing, and it was covered up. If Australia's other captain (the PM) was similarly exposesd, even if it was consensual, would you apply the same amount of latitude?
DirtyBallast
She was, apparently, so shocked, appalled and dismayed that it took her seven months to complain?

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