Location: Melbourne, Australia
Has been done for years did Australia ever think about this?
Transporting Wagons across break of gauge
bevans
Site Admin
Location: Melbourne, Australia
YM-Mundrabilla
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Chicken feed!
Old hat.
Commonwealth Railways was doing this with whole trainloads back in the 1950s.
Old hat.
Commonwealth Railways was doing this with whole trainloads back in the 1950s.
Nightfire
Minister for Railways
Location: Gippsland
In Western Austria they even transport standard gauge wagons on a narrow gauge float wagon.
james.au
Minister for Railways
Location: Sydney, NSW
What a TAL killer.
YM-Mundrabilla
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Chicken feed!By way of elaboration.
Old hat.
Commonwealth Railways was doing this with whole trainloads back in the 1950s.
When construction of the Stirling North - Marree standard gauge line west of the Flinders Ranges, built to replace the narrow gauge route via Quorn, was sufficiently far advanced to Beltana (?*) or was it Brachina (?*) entire narrow gauge coal trains were pushed onto SG RGB class flats fitted with NG rails for transit to Stirling North. This arrangement took advantage of the partially completed, easier SG route and avoided the relatively tortuous NG line via Quorn and the Pichi Richi Pass.
* I believe that Brachina was the location. (Edit 25/11 at 0025.)
YM-Mundrabilla
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
What a TAL killer.Could well be.
If we knew what a TAL was, of course?
justapassenger
Minister for Railways
In Western Austria they even transport standard gauge wagons on a narrow gauge float wagon.In the mountainous areas near the Swiss and Italian borders?
YM-Mundrabilla
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Obviously.In Western Austria they even transport standard gauge wagons on a narrow gauge float wagon.In the mountainous areas near the Swiss and Italian borders?
bevans
Site Admin
Location: Melbourne, Australia
In Western Austria they even transport standard gauge wagons on a narrow gauge float wagon.
Did you mean to say Austria?
Graham4405
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: In exile
Did say Austria...In Western Austria they even transport standard gauge wagons on a narrow gauge float wagon.
Did you mean to say Austria?
8502
Assistant Commissioner
How many break of gauge operations were in use carrying piggy back wagons on the other gauge?
YM-Mundrabilla
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How many break of gauge operations were in use carrying piggy back wagons on the other gauge?Not quite sure of the question but in Australia only the Commonwealth Railways (CR) as described above.
CR continued to carry NG rolling stock and locomotives between the Workshops at Port Augusta and Marree on a needs basis until closure of the NG north of Marree.
Other specialised NG traffic eg hot road mix was also carried piggy back on an ad hoc basis until the end of the NG.
CPH8
Junior Train Controller
The carriage of narrow gauge wagons on the partially constructed standard gauge line from Port Augusta to Marree became necessary when Wooltana Creek, just north of Hawker, flooded and destroyed the narrow gauge bridge. By then the standard gauge had reached Parachilna and it was here that the narrow gauge trains were loaded onto standard gauge flats. I think it was only for freight and not for passenger traffic, especially the essential coal traffic for the power station at Port Augusta fuelled by Leigh Creek coal. The narrow gauge from Quorn to Hawker remained open until the early 1970's mainly for the barytes traffic, which was processed at Quorn to provide "mud" for the drilling rigs at Moomba. I think it might have been about 1972 that ARHS ran the last train from Peterborough to Hawker with a T - my wife and I drove down from Leigh Creek to Peterborough to ride in it.
ngarner
Deputy Commissioner
Location: Seville
Victoria had at least one Q flat wagon (#127, IIRC) for transferring narrow gauge stock particularly the NA class, from their 'home' lines to Newport for overhaul or transfer between those lines.
Neil
Neil
Nightfire
Minister for Railways
Location: Gippsland
Did you mean to say Austria?
Republik Österreich
kitchgp
Chief Commissioner
Now at the Puffing Billy Museum, Menzies Creek (Q 129). From the Victorian Collections website:
https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5435e7912162f10ae0b2e7cb
The last picture on the right has loading diagrams. The bottom one shows the loading for the engine units of a Garratt (G41 & G42), with a note for the boiler and frame to be loaded on a QB well wagon.
https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5435e7912162f10ae0b2e7cb
The last picture on the right has loading diagrams. The bottom one shows the loading for the engine units of a Garratt (G41 & G42), with a note for the boiler and frame to be loaded on a QB well wagon.
justapassenger
Minister for Railways
62440
Chief Commissioner
Common practice all over Austria, Jenbach still had some conversion wagons last time I looked. Pretty amazing sight, those big wagons on a 600mm gauge carrier! They still run steam north and south of the station on different gauges!In Western Austria they even transport standard gauge wagons on a narrow gauge float wagon.
Did you mean to say Austria?
8502
Assistant Commissioner
Common practice all over Austria, Jenbach still had some conversion wagons last time I looked. Pretty amazing sight, those big wagons on a 600mm gauge carrier! They still run steam north and south of the station on different gauges!In Western Austria they even transport standard gauge wagons on a narrow gauge float wagon.
Did you mean to say Austria?
Is the practice still happening?
ngarner
Deputy Commissioner
Location: Seville
Now at the Puffing Billy Museum, Menzies Creek (Q 129). From the Victorian Collections website:I like how the service history has to be from Peter Vincent's website, referencing photo numbers and in his style, yet with absolutely no attribution to him. If PBR used his information they should have attributed it so the Vic Collections mob could too. The fact that neither appear to have is a bit rich considering the copyright laws of this country.
https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5435e7912162f10ae0b2e7cb
The last picture on the right has loading diagrams. The bottom one shows the loading for the engine units of a Garratt (G41 & G42), with a note for the boiler and frame to be loaded on a QB well wagon.
Neil
kitchgp
Chief Commissioner
The Victorian Collections website’s About page contains the following:
“Media reuse
If you would like to reuse a media item (image, video, etc) from this website, please refer to the conditions of use by clicking on the arrow next to ‘Media reuse’, listed directly below each item image. To reference individual items correctly, refer to the ‘Attribution’ information also found in this section. If you have a different use in mind to that provided, please contact the source collection to enquire. “
There are ‘Media reuse’ arrows on the Collections’ Puffing Billy Railway webpage.
The corresponding pages on the Puffing Billy website (ie those referenced by the Collections’ website) don’t seem to be directly accessible from the Web, so it’s hard to tell what attributions they carry. Perhaps delve into the Collections’ website source code.
Puffing Billy’s museum webpage:
https://puffingbilly.com.au/experiences/menzies-creek-museum/
(media – as in photos, printed matter, etc; not the Press.)
“Media reuse
If you would like to reuse a media item (image, video, etc) from this website, please refer to the conditions of use by clicking on the arrow next to ‘Media reuse’, listed directly below each item image. To reference individual items correctly, refer to the ‘Attribution’ information also found in this section. If you have a different use in mind to that provided, please contact the source collection to enquire. “
There are ‘Media reuse’ arrows on the Collections’ Puffing Billy Railway webpage.
The corresponding pages on the Puffing Billy website (ie those referenced by the Collections’ website) don’t seem to be directly accessible from the Web, so it’s hard to tell what attributions they carry. Perhaps delve into the Collections’ website source code.
Puffing Billy’s museum webpage:
https://puffingbilly.com.au/experiences/menzies-creek-museum/
(media – as in photos, printed matter, etc; not the Press.)
NG Sulzers
Deputy Commissioner
Location: Quorn
The carriage of narrow gauge wagons on the partially constructed standard gauge line from Port Augusta to Marree became necessary when Wooltana Creek, just north of Hawker, flooded and destroyed the narrow gauge bridge. By then the standard gauge had reached Parachilna and it was here that the narrow gauge trains were loaded onto standard gauge flats. I think it was only for freight and not for passenger traffic, especially the essential coal traffic for the power station at Port Augusta fuelled by Leigh Creek coal. The narrow gauge from Quorn to Hawker remained open until the early 1970's mainly for the barytes traffic, which was processed at Quorn to provide "mud" for the drilling rigs at Moomba. I think it might have been about 1972 that ARHS ran the last train from Peterborough to Hawker with a T - my wife and I drove down from Leigh Creek to Peterborough to ride in it.
I thought it was the Hookina Creek with its catchment in the nearby Elder Ranges that spelled the end of the line between Hawker and Brachina.
Wooltana to far away.
Last T to Hawker was in 1970.
CPH8
Junior Train Controller
Yes you are right about Hookina Creek - I should have looked at the map to refresh my ancient memory, as well as the date. I was working at Leigh Creek at the time and my wife's sister was living at Quorn so we regularly made that trip - you might have known her former husband Quentin. We usually stayed with Peter at Bruse's Hall