Echuca line upgrade

 
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Exotic safeworking systems are simply not necessary on a lot of routes in Australia.

The motto of many signal engineers/consultants is to 'grow the job' where such sophistication (and cost) is simply unnecessary but is easily sold to lawyers, bureaucrats,  bean counters and governments.
As a young teenager I was aware of how busy a NSW Train Controller's job was. On a family holiday in 1971, my father had wangled an introduction and he and I were shown around a lot of the CR facilities at Port Augusta. We visited Train Control, and considering the vast distances involved I was surprised at just how few trains were being managed. IIRC, the primary activity was giving train running advice to the gangs.

It was a quite interesting day.
Lockspike
The Trans used to be electric staff until the 1960s.
There were gangs at many line locations back in the days prior to completion of concrete sleepering.
Even today I imagine that managing 'gangs' would still be a major train control task.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Some of us are a bit “interested” in the mythical ETO system. Bendigo drivers get lots of “proceed to and return” Orders daily, using paper Orders. Not brilliant, but it works. Three new signals at Eaglehawk would allow local trains to run in independently of SwanHill, they say the same for Epsom with Echuca. The cost of a new whiz-bang system likely higher than those signals.

Of course, Eaglehawk needs at least some of those new signals in any case, if they’re ever going to start using that new platform they built three years ago.
hbedriver
The trouble allegedl;y with the manual train orders north of bendigo is that there is some industrial restriction than no more than ten (10) train orders can be issued on any one Train Controller shift.
  historian Chief Commissioner

Exotic safeworking systems are simply not necessary on a lot of routes in Australia.

The motto of many signal engineers/consultants is to 'grow the job' where such sophistication (and cost) is simply unnecessary but is easily sold to lawyers, bureaucrats,  bean counters and governments.

Because something is used in Britain or Europe does not automatically make it suitable or necessary in Australia.
YM-Mundrabilla

ETOs do not bear any resemblance to "exotic safeworking systems" similar to that used in Britain or Europe.

ETO systems are already how ARTC, NSW Country, and the privatised QR handle trains on their lightly used lines. Heavier traffic lines use some variant of CTC.

An ETO system is usually some form of desktop computer for the Train Controller to handle the issuing, checking, and return of train orders, with some form of assisted checking of transmission and return of orders. You can keep adding bells and whistles (and cost) to guard against steadily less likely errors. QR built a very cost effective system 15 to 20 years ago.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narrabri

ETOs do not bear any resemblance to "exotic safeworking systems" similar to that used in Britain or Europe.

ETO systems are already how ARTC, NSW Country, and the privatised QR handle trains on their lightly used lines. Heavier traffic lines use some variant of CTC.

An ETO system is usually some form of desktop computer for the Train Controller to handle the issuing, checking, and return of train orders, with some form of assisted checking of transmission and return of orders. You can keep adding bells and whistles (and cost) to guard against steadily less likely errors. QR built a very cost effective system 15 to 20 years ago.
historian
Both Aurizon (the privatised bit of QR) and QR (still government owned) use the QR developed version of ETO which they call DTC. It really is an excellent system and relatively cheap to implement. On the lines with GPS integration to warn drivers when they are approaching their limits of authority it is probably the "safest" safeworking system that I've used.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
News on the timetable changes

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/faster-services-on-echuca-line
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

I just compared the timetable that commences on 12/12/21 and it is no faster than the previous timetable.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
News on the timetable changes

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/faster-services-on-echuca-line
bevans

The above news item states

Design and development of the new electronic train order (ETO) system is also progressing, as part of Bendigo and Echuca Line Upgrade.

The ETO system will allow additional weekday return services to both Eaglehawk and Epsom, and triple the number of weekday services to and from Echuca when the project is completed.

The Bendigo and Echuca Line Upgrade is part of the Australian and Victorian governments’ investment of more than $4 billion to upgrade every regional passenger rail line in Victoria.
Somebody

The signalling ETO was not required, for a couple of new services and the track could have been added to the bendigo panel.

There is no reason I can see why a two new daily services could not be added to the Echuca/Bendigo Line now?

@Duncs what link are using to view the new timetable?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I just compared the timetable that commences on 12/12/21 and it is no faster than the previous timetable.
Duncs
It's faster in the Bendigo - Elmore time interval (27 min vs. 31 min) which will also include a stop at Goornong from Dec 12th.

Back-of-the-envelope calculation indicates that Goornong to Echuca should go from 60 min to 45 min after the line speed increase from 80 to 100 km/h later next year.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I just compared the timetable that commences on 12/12/21 and it is no faster than the previous timetable.
It's faster in the Epsom - Elmore time interval (27 min vs. 31 min) which will also include a stop at Goornong from Dec 12th.

Back-of-the-envelope calculation indicates that Goornong to Echuca should go from 60 min to 45 min after the line speed increase from 80 to 100 km/h later next year.
Carnot

There is a wait of another year?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I just compared the timetable that commences on 12/12/21 and it is no faster than the previous timetable.
It's faster in the Epsom - Elmore time interval (27 min vs. 31 min) which will also include a stop at Goornong from Dec 12th.

Back-of-the-envelope calculation indicates that Goornong to Echuca should go from 60 min to 45 min after the line speed increase from 80 to 100 km/h later next year.

There is a wait of another year?
bevans
Did you read your own post?

"Federal Member for Nicholls Damian Drum said further track upgrades to increase the speed of trains beyond Goornong towards Echuca were planned to take place next year.".
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Are we going around in circles here?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Evie made its' first appearance on the Echuca line today, hauled by N453 on 8095/8096.



https://youtu.be/7UMHS0ZYZn8
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Banned
Could somebody please detail just what Evie records?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently track geometry and integrity (primarily via lasers) and also ballast profile and mudhole detection via ground-penetrating radar.

It also has a LiDAR (3D imaging) and 8k video recording (forward facing and overhead inspection).

Perhaps a few more things too. I'm sure someone out there could enlighten us.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Could somebody please detail just what Evie records?
Valvegear
Evie is recorded in Parts 1, 2 and 3..................let your hair hang down........................Stevie Wright....................
  historian Chief Commissioner

Goornong indeed reopened this morning...

Video of the first train from Twitter:


Note the crowd on the platform.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
That's about half the population of Goornong, so not a bad roll up.

M.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
That's about half the population of Goornong, so not a bad roll up.

M.
The Vinelander
Rent-a-crowd Laughing
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Just a question for Greensleeves or Carnot if he can step out of the Lounge for a minute, what have they done to the track here ? I take it scalped back to the track bed, new ballast, sleepers and rail, any change to alignment or height under the bridge, the embankment also has had some attention.

BigShunter.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yes, the alignment is slightly different. There's a tight curve just to the South West that has a 115km/h speed board.

Apparently some of the Goornong locals bailed up Jacinta Allen at the new station opening complaining about the Pedestrian traffic lights and carpark illumination being too bright...

Welcome to the 21st century!



https://youtu.be/GWPFnReNqjg
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Evie made its' first appearance on the Echuca line today, hauled by N453 on 8095/8096.



https://youtu.be/7UMHS0ZYZn8
Greensleeves
So does this mean/indicate IEV100 has finaly been retired?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
That's about half the population of Goornong, so not a bad roll up.

M.
Rent-a-crowd Laughing
BrentonGolding

With Gunzels there is no need! They will just come to see the most insignificant speks of the network to check off their ever growing list of stations that they must visit.

Gods Gauge Adds another to the network to counteract the lost of Mont Albert/Surry Hills
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Evie made its' first appearance on the Echuca line today, hauled by N453 on 8095/8096.



https://youtu.be/7UMHS0ZYZn8
So does this mean/indicate IEV100 has finaly been retired?
Galron
From what I've heard V/line want to take back full ownership of it, no it has not been retired.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Evie made its' first appearance on the Echuca line today, hauled by N453 on 8095/8096.



https://youtu.be/7UMHS0ZYZn8
So does this mean/indicate IEV100 has finaly been retired?
From what I've heard V/line want to take back full ownership of it, no it has not been retired.
Dangersdan707
The AK cars test more or less the entire Australian SG network so what justification is there for both Metro and Vline to own one each given the size of each organisation's tin pot network?
Don't know about Vline but it's not as if Metro does anything very obvious about fixing track faults whether they be found by this machine or not.
  changer Station Master

Yes, the alignment is slightly different. There's a tight curve just to the South West that has a 115km/h speed board.

Apparently some of the Goornong locals bailed up Jacinta Allen at the new station opening complaining about the Pedestrian traffic lights and carpark illumination being too bright...

Welcome to the 21st century!



https://youtu.be/GWPFnReNqjg
Carnot
Why complain about lighting being too bright? Enables one to see a bit better at night.

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