Diesel Truck Crisis due to Urea shortage?

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Another reason to mode shift to rail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10269631/Australias-supply-chain-risk-COLLAPSE-month.html

This could be an interesting time for the logistics industry...

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Not only the trucking industry.  My SUV requires the addition of ad-blue, otherwise it won't start if it runs out.
Someone suggested pi$$ing in the ad-blue tank as it made from urea.  Don't know if I would risk it.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

AdBlue is 32% Urea, urine is about 2%. The ECU would recognise that's it's not the right stuff and would reduce engine power and not allow a restart.
  lkernan Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Don't modern locomotives use the same system, or is that only in the US or Europe?  
I'm sure i've heard it mentioned in terms of diesel locomotives.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Not only the trucking industry.  My SUV requires the addition of ad-blue, otherwise it won't start if it runs out.
Someone suggested pi$$ing in the ad-blue tank as it made from urea.  Don't know if I would risk it.
Donald
Why haven't you had it remapped? It's not as if you give a toss about emissions.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A bit more on the issue. It'll certainly affect newer harvesters and anything Tier 4 or newer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/diesel-crisis-adblue-shortage-supply-china/100673482


As far as I know, the vast majority (if not all) of the diesel locos and railcars in Australia don't use urea.  There was talk of VLine fitting new VLos with Tier 4 Cummins engines at some stage.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I thought it was possible to start a diesel engine without Urea.  It just wouldn't be able to pass emission standards of Euro IV and above.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
With software alterations they can do anything engine management wise .

I'm not 100% certain but I thought urea is about NOx emissions more so than C02 .
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yes, its purpose is to reduce NOx emissions.

Software remapping and "adBlue delete emulators" can get around using adBlue, although there can be legal ramifications and penalties for doing so...

There's a campaign to dob them in:
https://www.nhvr.gov.au/engineremapping
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
With software alterations they can do anything engine management wise .
BDA
You mean like Volkswagen did Confused
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narrabri
As far as I know, the vast majority (if not all) of the diesel locos and railcars in Australia don't use urea.  There was talk of VLine fitting new VLos with Tier 4 Cummins engines at some stage.
Carnot
I've never come across anything rail related that used Ad Blue.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Already rationing the stuff:
https://www.farmonline.com.au/story/7546476/
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
As far as I know, the vast majority (if not all) of the diesel locos and railcars in Australia don't use urea.  There was talk of VLine fitting new VLos with Tier 4 Cummins engines at some stage.
I've never come across anything rail related that used Ad Blue.
Fatty
Me neither. Closest would've been Dodgy Bros with their LPG injection on 4498, I think - but even that's stretching the "close" definition.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The trucking industry have been to the deds
Looking for a handout and certainty and have been told to leave. These trucking industry people are so bloody entitled.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The trucking industry have been to the deds
Looking for a handout and certainty and have been told to leave. These trucking industry people are so bloody entitled.
freightgate
They fought the deds and the deds won, they fought the deds and the deds won................
  bruce burrow Station Staff

I for one will not be upset to have fewer B doubles tailgating me on the Bruce Highway because they are in a "hurry"!
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Finding a servo that has AdBlue is getting a bit trickier now. Then when you do, I hope you don't need too much.

Yesterday I returned to work after 3 weeks of annual leave. Before I left, as always, I left my truck with a full tank of diesel and a full tank of AdBlue. When I got back yesterday, I was left with half a tank of diesel and less than a quarter of a tank of AdBlue. So clearly the fella who drove my truck while I was away didn't fill up the AdBlue tank once (typically I can get nearly 4 weeks out of a tank of AdBlue, although typically I fill it up every 2 weeks)

I need to use BP (company truck, their money, their rules, no complaint from me), and not all BPs will have AdBlue pumps anyway, only the big ones with a separate truck canopy usually. Yesterday I had to try about 5 different 'big' BPs before hearing from a colleague about 1 BP a fair bit out of my way that did have it.

After a 25 minute drive out of my way, I found an AdBlue pump that worked. Even then though, I was limited to 40 litres (signage at the servo said 50 litres, but the pump cut out at 40, but the tank wasn't full). That will keep my truck on the road for the next 2 weeks at least.

Oh, also the price has sky-rocketed. From 95c per litre to close to $2 per litre. Not a problem for me, the company pays, but sooner or later that price rise will find its way on to the supermarket shelf no doubt.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Finding a servo that has AdBlue is getting a bit trickier now. Then when you do, I hope you don't need too much.

Yesterday I returned to work after 3 weeks of annual leave. Before I left, as always, I left my truck with a full tank of diesel and a full tank of AdBlue. When I got back yesterday, I was left with half a tank of diesel and less than a quarter of a tank of AdBlue. So clearly the fella who drove my truck while I was away didn't fill up the AdBlue tank once (typically I can get nearly 4 weeks out of a tank of AdBlue, although typically I fill it up every 2 weeks)

I need to use BP (company truck, their money, their rules, no complaint from me), and not all BPs will have AdBlue pumps anyway, only the big ones with a separate truck canopy usually. Yesterday I had to try about 5 different 'big' BPs before hearing from a colleague about 1 BP a fair bit out of my way that did have it.

After a 25 minute drive out of my way, I found an AdBlue pump tha t worked. Even then though, I was limited to 40 litres (signage at the servo said 50 litres, but the pump cut out at 40, but the tank wasn't full). That will keep my truck on the road for the next 2 weeks at least.

Oh, also the price has sky-rocketed. From 95c per litre to close to $2 per litre. Not a problem for me, the company pays, but sooner or later that price rise will find its way on to the supermarket shelf no doubt.
Gman_86
In Melbourne going off what people are saying on the radio, Service Stations won't permit people filling up drums/jerry cans with AdBlue only genuine tanks on trucks.

The price of AdBlue has risen from sub $1 to $3 a litre

All the auto shops have sold out of their over priced bottled AdBlue

Apparently the stuff has a use by date and some engine management systems will reject old stuff.

My tip this shortage has been done on purpose as a mega wealth generating scheme for the companies In the manufactures and the supply line.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

The shortage is caused by China diverting the raw materials into fertilizer rather than exports. China under cut the Australian supplier Incetec Pivot who shut their local factory down. Chickens coming home to roost now.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100699832

For those who don't think that this is a serious problem, chartering heavy lift cargo planes ain't cheap!
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
I for one will not be upset to have fewer B doubles tailgating me on the Bruce Highway because they are in a "hurry"!
bruce burrow
True, you won't be able to drive on the Bruce Highway as there will be no fuel on the servos there, if this starts to really bite.

It will also cure the entitled grey nomad doing 85 then do 110 in the left lane in a overtaking lane section, as no one will be driving without fuel at the servos, as trucks are used to supply those.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

China under cut the Australian supplier Incetec Pivot who shut their local factory down.
neillfarmer
That's okay, so long as no shareholders suffered...
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Who'd have thought outsourcing everything overseas because it is cheaper is a good idea, when you live on an island??!?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Another reason for Incitec Pivot pulling urea manufacturing next year is a shortage of gas at a reasonable price. FFS

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