The Ashes 2021/2022

 
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: In exile
Andrew McDonald will be caretaker coach in the interim.
lsrailfan
Who? Never heard of him/her/it...

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  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Andrew McDonald will be caretaker coach in the interim.
Who? Never heard of him/her/it...
Graham4405
He won Victoria a Shield title during his first year coaching them sometime ago apparently,
  SAR520SMBH Train Controller

Justin Langar has been sacked as head coach today, this is effective straight away! , why was he sacked??, well the story goes that apparently his coaching was too "intense" as a coach, the senior playing group did not like his style of coaching, this is a bit of a cop out in my books, are not MOST coaches fairly intense in their coaching style? that is what has made Melbourne Storm so successful, Craig Bellamy seems as intense as you can get! Andrew McDonald will be caretaker coach in the interim.
lsrailfan
I know this is splitting hairs but Langer wasn't sacked, he resigned.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I don't think Pat Cummins would be too unhappy with the outcome.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Justin Langar has been sacked as head coach today, this is effective straight away! , why was he sacked??, well the story goes that apparently his coaching was too "intense" as a coach, the senior playing group did not like his style of coaching, this is a bit of a cop out in my books, are not MOST coaches fairly intense in their coaching style? that is what has made Melbourne Storm so successful, Craig Bellamy seems as intense as you can get! Andrew McDonald will be caretaker coach in the interim.
lsrailfan
What are your sources for this steaming pile of words?

The media is reporting he resigned after being offered a shorter extension than he hoped for.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Andrew McDonald will be caretaker coach in the interim.
Who? Never heard of him/her/it...
Graham4405
Owner of cap number 406.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Justin Langar has been sacked as head coach today, this is effective straight away! , why was he sacked??, well the story goes that apparently his coaching was too "intense" as a coach, the senior playing group did not like his style of coaching, this is a bit of a cop out in my books, are not MOST coaches fairly intense in their coaching style? that is what has made Melbourne Storm so successful, Craig Bellamy seems as intense as you can get! Andrew McDonald will be caretaker coach in the interim.
What are your sources for this steaming pile of words?

The media is reporting he resigned after being offered a shorter extension than he hoped for.
justapassenger
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-05/justin-langer-resigns-as-australian-mens-head-coach/100807496?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Langer wanted a four year term with total control which was ridiculous, and CA quite rightly said no. (source is ROAR)

https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/02/04/analysis-how-justin-langer-went-from-elite-mateship-to-a-leader-without-a-friend-in-the-room/
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Various players have been talking to the media and undermining langer which has been bought to a head today. Why not offer him a longer contract longe Ethan 12 months. This is probably the second reason he has resigned.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The players have too much power.

I suspect Langer will move to greener pastures. England.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The players have too much power.
"Carnot"
It's the players who win matches. The age of players "knowing their place" is over. Administrators are there to serve the players, not the other way around.
Why we have a plethora of coaches for a Test team I cannot imagine. I have made the point before but I'll do it again . . . Bradman's team in 1948 in England had 17 players, a manager, a baggage man/scorer, and a masseur. The team played for 5 months and was undefeated. Last time we went to South Africa we had 16 players and 22 support staff which is madness. It's a legacy of James Sutherland's many years of empire building.
The captain is the boss, and the coach (if we really must have one which I gravely doubt) is there to help. All this nonsense about Langer having won the Ashes and the T20 World series is just that - nonsense.
  9034 Chief Train Controller

The players have too much power.
It's the players who win matches. The age of players "knowing their place" is over. Administrators are there to serve the players, not the other way around.
Why we have a plethora of coaches for a Test team I cannot imagine. I have made the point before but I'll do it again . . . Bradman's team in 1948 in England had 17 players, a manager, a baggage man/scorer, and a masseur. The team played for 5 months and was undefeated. Last time we went to South Africa we had 16 players and 22 support staff which is madness. It's a legacy of James Sutherland's many years of empire building.
The captain is the boss, and the coach (if we really must have one which I gravely doubt) is there to help. All this nonsense about Langer having won the Ashes and the T20 World series is just that - nonsense.
Valvegear
the game has moved on from 1948.   You should too.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
the game has moved on from 1948.   You should too.
0034
In what way has it "moved on" so that we need heaps more people?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
An exceptionally good mate of mine from my days in baseball just played his 629th div 1 game - widely celebrated because with his mere 71 div 2 games that makes 700 games at one club.

He’s been fortunate enough to play MANY additional games for the state, the country and played quite some games in the US/MLB.

The man knows damn near all there is to know about the game, having essentially devoted his life to it.

After the game what was the first thing he did? Thank his coach, who like nearly everybody still playing at div 1 level has vastly less experience than my friend. Why did he thank his coach? He said it in his speech ‘there’s always someone that can offer me an insight to my game that I cannot see for myself’.

That’s why even the most pro of sports people and teams have coaches.
  9034 Chief Train Controller

the game has moved on from 1948.   You should too.
In what way has it "moved on" so that we need heaps more people?
Valvegear
Not a fan of the game are you.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/the-sideline/the-packer-revolution/news-story/18ef12781ed1cd7c5f93f43b64e5061c
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Not a fan of the game are you.
9034
 Let's start with your first statement. I asked you why the game needed many more people nowadays - no proper answer; just a link which didn't work but mentions Packer.

Next; a funny comment that maybe I'm not a fan of the game. OK - I played for 25 years and then umpired for another 20. I saw Bradman bat in his Testimonial game on the MCG. I saw my first Ashes Test v Freddie Brown's side in 1950-51. I went to every Melbourne Test for the next 50 years. I have won money on my knowledge of the game - just in case you want to know, the semi final question was to name the 17 players of the 1948 side; the question for the final was to name both teams, preferably in batting order, from the 1956 Old Trafford Test (aka "Laker's Match"). I have three shelves of books entirely on cricket. Five volumes are about the Packer era.
I think that all qualifies me as a fan of the game.

Apart from Packer, which was something that just had to happen, changes have been ODI and T20. First class and Test cricket has had changes to some aspects of the game, but is basically the same as it was when I first started watching.

I still want you to tell me in what way the game has "moved on" so that we now need so many hangers-on with our touring team.

Then; I'll give you a trick question - why does cricket have no rules?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
That’s why even the most pro of sports people and teams have coaches.
Aaron
Indeed they do. and many of these sports have moves orchestrated from the sidelines during play (e.g. AFL, where there are player interchanges and positional moves and so on) The coach does these. Cricket's tactics at least at first class and Test level, are discussed by the team before the match starts. On the field, the captain makes the moves; the coach doesn't. My major beef is about Cricket Australia which has gone completely overboard with the number of hangers-on - coaches for everything including bootlace-tying, it seems.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
That’s why even the most pro of sports people and teams have coaches.
Indeed they do. and many of these sports have moves orchestrated from the sidelines during play (e.g. AFL, where there are player interchanges and positional moves and so on) The coach does these. Cricket's tactics at least at first class and Test level, are discussed by the team before the match starts. On the field, the captain makes the moves; the coach doesn't. My major beef is about Cricket Australia which has gone completely overboard with the number of hangers-on - coaches for everything including bootlace-tying, it seems.
Valvegear
And Tsitsipas aside, tennis? Golf? Swimming? Snooker? Nearly all track and field events? Horse racing? All have coaches, none of them feature much (any) coaching during the event.

Your beef is with Cricket Australia? You don’t think the Poms toured with more than a manager, baggage man, scorer and a masseuse? Or that India/South Africa/New Zealand/any nation don’t travel with more than that? Of course they do, no beef with any of them? - and none of them would ever contemplate leaving without the ‘gravely doubted of need’ according to you, coach.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Aaron; I take your point about coaches in various sports. In particular, individual performers - tennis, golf, snooker et al have no other support.
My point is the inordinate number of them in cricket. I am not necessarily advocating a return to only three, but I use that as an example of how it was done - successfully.  But, as I said, 16 players and 22 support staff to South Africa is madness.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

On a tour to South Africa a good number of the support staff would actually be undercover security personnel, with vague descriptions for their 'official' roles.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Will Pucocski has suffered his 11th (at least) concussion during a warmup before day four of the current Sheffield Shield match, not even making it all the way through his first First Class match since his Test against India 13 months ago.

There is no confirmation yet as to whether he was hit batting in the nets or during a fielding warmup - Victoria were fielding at the start of play and hoping to bowl out SA so they could get in for a fourth innings chase so they would have had players doing both before play. Or perhaps his brain is now so mushy that a strong breeze caused it.

SA withheld their approval for a substitute under the Sheffield Shield playing conditions as they believed a non-playing incident was not a reasonable use of the concussion substitution, but were overridden by the CA match referee. This should give pause to any thoughts of ever playing him in a Test as you can be sure that opposition captains/coaches will resist a little more firmly (especially if Langer coaches another team, he knows the value of the sub rule from Australia's successful use of it in the 2019 Ashes) and ICC match referees won't be as eager to override in Australia's favour as CA match referees ruling in favour of a side including James Sutherland's son.

Cricket Australia and Cricket Victoria should not permit Pucovski to return again. This has carried on at least a couple of years too long and could well prove to be a criminal level of negligence.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Cricket Australia and Cricket Victoria should not permit Pucovski to return again. This has carried on at least a couple of years too long and could well prove to be a criminal level of negligence.
justapassenger
I just logged in to say much the same but was beaten to it.
I am in complete agreement with justapassenger.
The Duty of Care is right under Cricket Australia's nose and must not be ignored. Pucovski must not be permitted to play again. Sure; he loves his cricket; yes; he's good at it; but in all conscience nobody can ignore the chances of permanent damage to any player.  He's either banned, or the lawyers start preparing their picnic.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The possibility that the inappropriate substitution might have affected the integrity of the match result looks to have resolved itself, as the substitute batter Travis Dean got out for 0 from 2 balls.

SA scored more runs off the bowling of Scott Boland in this match than England managed to do in any of his three Tests Laughing
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Some good news for Will Pucovski, he's going to have a Guinness World Records ceremony in his honour.

There are definitely better ways to get yourself record in the history books than being the first person ever to get knocked out by a volleyball, but I guess it's better than nothing
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
With a bit of a pause on our hands, I decided to pick an Australian  "Entertainers XI" from players I have seen. I hope the title is self explanatory. The team, in batting order is:

1. David Warner
2. Michael Slater
3. Neil Harvey
4. Norm O’Neill
5. Mark Waugh
6. Doug Walters
7. Keith Miller
8. Adam Gilchrist
9. Shane Warne
10. Merv Hughes
11. Max Walker


Comments and your own selections welcome, of course.

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