Whyalla to produce steel for Inland Rail

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 02 Mar 2022 13:21
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Whyalla workers will produce 147,000 tonnes of steel for key rail projects across Australia, including the Inland Rail project.
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147,000 tonnes is a lot of steel in rail form how many wagon loads would that be?

Great news for the town and for rail.

Whyalla to produce steel for Inland Rail

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Whyalla workers will produce 147,000 tonnes of steel for key rail projects across Australia, including the Inland Rail project.


147,000 tonnes is a lot of steel in rail form who many wagon loads would that be?
bevans
What? Can we have that in English please?

And why does every single bit of news warrant a new bloody thread? Makes navigating the site more and more difficult every time you add one of these one hit wonders.

What's wrong with posting it in one of the existing Inland threads

Aye Chihuahua.......
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The question is really the 147,000 tonnes of rail to be produced is in addition to the current output so my question really is how many additional wagon loads would that equate to?

In terms of shipping new rail on a wagon what is the tonnage the wagon can safely load to?
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The question is really the 147,000 tonnes of rail to be produced is in addition to the current output so my question really is how many additional wagon loads would that equate to?

In terms of shipping new rail on a wagon what is the tonnage the wagon can safely load to?
bevans
Probably 20, 21 or 23 tonne/axle depending upon the wagon and the route it has to traverse.
Maybe 25t/axle with a Papal dispensation. Smile

What is the weight of the new rail/metre that ARTC proposes and in what lengths will it be produced and/or transported?
  hbedriver Deputy Commissioner

Assuming it’s 60kg rail, that’s 2450 metres. Probably enough for Junee area to Brisbane, plus a few crossing loops
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Assuming it’s 60kg rail, that’s 2450 metres. Probably enough for Junee area to Brisbane, plus a few crossing loops
hbedriver

The weight could it be around 70 tonnes per wagon of rail or less?
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Assuming it’s 60kg rail, that’s 2450 metres. Probably enough for Junee area to Brisbane, plus a few crossing loops
hbedriver
Equates to around 1,200 line kilometres.

Why do I have difficulty in avoiding the feeling that the NE SG in Victoria will end up as the weak link when the project is finished?

Just paranoid, I suppose.Rolling Eyes
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Assuming it’s 60kg rail, that’s 2450 metres. Probably enough for Junee area to Brisbane, plus a few crossing loops

The weight could it be around 70 tonnes per wagon of rail or less?
bevans
Depending upon the wagon tare being around 22 tonnes, 70 tonnes of rail would equate to 23 tonnes/axle.
  crypticone Chief Train Controller

Location: Blue Mtns
1 x 109.7m x60kg=6.582 tonnes, divide into 147000=22,333.7 x 109.7m lengths, if they go on an ARTC conventional railset @ 48 Legs per train that is about 465 Loaded Rail trains.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

That is enough to justify upgrading the welding facility. On BR 40 odd years ago we did 720 feet or about 219 metres as standard
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
1 x 109.7m x60kg=6.582 tonnes, divide into 147000=22,333.7 x 109.7m lengths, if they go on an ARTC conventional railset @ 48 Legs per train that is about 465 Loaded Rail trains.
crypticone
Additional properly set up rolling stock and trains in length loads so a possibly better throughput might be possible but I agree that there are a million factors involved.

I imagine that strategic rail stockpiles will be established equipped with a moveable Flashbutt welder from which longer welded lengths may be delivered to the location required.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures

147,000 tonnes is a lot of steel in rail form how many wagon loads would that be?

Great news for the town and for rail.

Whyalla to produce steel for Inland Rail
bevans
Why would you even consider wagon loads? Rail is produced in continuous length as much as a billet produces. It is only lopped off at the limit that can be fit in the smallest passing loop it has to go through when passing another train and the rake of wagons has a central clamp for rail to be located on with rollers supporting the rails at all other points. More to the point would be to ask how long the lengths of rail are.
  WimbledonW Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
What is to be done with existing lighter rails released (cascaded) by introduction of 60kg/m rails.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
What is to be done with existing lighter rails released (cascaded) by introduction of 60kg/m rails.
WimbledonW

Some of the new rail is for completely new build sections, but where it replaces lighter rail, if it is of suitable condition and weight, it will be used elsewhere. For the last couple of years, lighter rail from a number of ARTC/CRN locations has ended up being used on the Country Rail Network, especially on the Griffth line.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik

147,000 tonnes is a lot of steel in rail form how many wagon loads would that be?

Great news for the town and for rail.

Whyalla to produce steel for Inland RailWhy would you even consider wagon loads? Rail is produced in continuous length as much as a billet produces. It is only lopped off at the limit that can be fit in the smallest passing loop it has to go through when passing another train and the rake of wagons has a central clamp for rail to be located on with rollers supporting the rails at all other points. More to the point would be to ask how long the lengths of rail are.
nm39
Regardless of the length of the rail as rolled it will still equate to a specific number of wagons on a train. These must be loaded within carrying capacities and axleloads. The number of layers of rail and their length in relation to curvature of the route to be traversed are both factors.

Whyalla can only roll 27.5  metre (90 feet) lengths. This has not changed in decades and is easily carried on pairs of semi permanently coupled flat wagons loaded with 3 or 4 layers (?) of rail. This has also been the case for donkeys years.

As I have said previously I IMAGINE that rail will be transported in these 90 foot lengths (perhaps 180 foot lengths with an initial weld) to welding depots and distributed from there in longer lengths but over shorter distances.

Rail for the Trans-Australian Railway over 100 years ago was initially mainly imported and in 33 foot lengths. Australian made 45 foot lengths followed relatively soon after. It was all 80 pound/yard.

So in 100 years we have doubled the length of rail that can be rolled. I wonder what lengths the Chinese can roll?
  62440 Chief Commissioner


Whyalla can only roll 27.5  metre (90 feet) lengths. This has not changed in decades and is easily carried on pairs of semi permanently coupled flat wagons loaded with 3 or 4 layers (?) of rail. This has also been the case for donkeys years.


So in 100 years we have doubled the length of rail that can be rolled. I wonder what lengths the Chinese can roll?
YM-Mundrabilla
Strictly speaking, the rail is rolled in 83m lengths and cut to 3 x 27.5m lengths as that is how the plant is designed. With the total amount needed it could be justified cutting to 80m lengths, cutting welding needs by 66% though that would not be cheap or easy.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Welding every 80m instead of every 27m = two out of three welds no longer necessary.

The difficult bit is transporting such lengths.

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