Fair point, lsrailfan. Maybe ask one of the mods to move the abortion posts to a new thread?

I’ve copied the main abortion-related posts across to the Abortion thread you created.

reckon Labor will form government in their own right,

Think you are probably right.

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reckon Labor will form government in their own right,

Think you are probably right.

And part of me thinks that would be preferable to the "Teal Independents" (aka Greens with big property portfolios and expensive haircuts) holding the balance of power in the Lower House tbh.

Hopefully the Senate can then moderate any of Albo aspirations to be Gough Whitlam II...

reckon Labor will form government in their own right,

Think you are probably right.

And part of me thinks that would be preferable to the "Teal Independents" (aka Greens with big property portfolios and expensive haircuts) holding the balance of power in the Lower House tbh.

Hopefully the Senate can then moderate any of Albo aspirations to be Gough Whitlam II...

Interesting article in the Australian Today.  Teal Candidates will at this stage take:

In a significant blow to the Liberal party, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg would lose his seat of Kooyong to Climate 200 candidate Monique Ryan – who leads 53-47. The nearby well-heeled inner-Melbourne seat of Goldstein – where Liberal MP Tim Wilson trails 52-48 – would fall to Climate 200 Independent Zoe Daniels.

Katie Allen is also in trouble in Higgins.

What idiot would vote for a lunatic Climate 200 candidate?

What idiot would vote for a lunatic Climate 200 candidate?

Blue rinse Liberals that are thoroughly disgusted with Josh & Tim.
They could never soil their minds with a Red or Green vote. A Teal vote is still better than being informal.

What idiot would vote for a lunatic Climate 200 candidate?
1771d

I imagine inner - middle suburban disgruntled liberal voters upset with how far the liberals have lurched to the religious /far right fringe, they probably feel that the moderates they have as representatives aren't reflecting their views with  the likes of Wilson & Frydenburg and the perception of born to rule

The liberals need two terms at least on the opposition benches, for quiet reflection and to drag themselves back to the centre with better vetted candidates.

Plus at my local booth in Melton (Hawke) my daughter and i watched the line for about hour while soaking up the vitamin d, i witnessed many people probably 40 years and up mostly taking UAP how to vote cards, hopefully the people from Ballan that sigh whent the train picks up Melton passengers will balance this out

A Teal vote is still better than being informal.

Never underestimate the greatness of an informal vote!

I have not formally voted in years, not once have I been disappointed that 'my team' didn't win - and I used to work for a party! The Hokey Pokey senator complained bitterly when I mentioned voting below the line, bottom to top, in order of party preference - I am reasonably sure that year I put the party's 'first pick' senator last on the ballot.

"reckon Labor will form government in their own right,
doyle

"Think you are probably right."
Don Dunstan

I couldn't cope with another miracle

Frydenburg is a robot just like Cormann was.  Economy, economy, economy………exterminate, exterminate, exterminate  People are sick of hearing the same tired line.

"reckon Labor will form government in their own right,
doyle

"Think you are probably right."
Don Dunstan

I couldn't cope with another miracle

Is it going to be any different? Probably not.

Albo wants to spend even harder and that's probably going to drive inflation even more - he wants to make people like Malcolm Turnbull and Simon Holmes a'Court richer by spending more on weather-dependent power sources. If Labor goes into coalition with the Greens (or a voting agreement like Gillard did) then I reckon export coal is done for within five years.

Other than that I really can't see the difference.

"reckon Labor will form government in their own right,
doyle

"Think you are probably right."
Don Dunstan

I couldn't cope with another miracle

Is it going to be any different? Probably not.

Albo wants to spend even harder and that's probably going to drive inflation even more - he wants to make people like Malcolm Turnbull and Simon Holmes a'Court richer by spending more on weather-dependent power sources. If Labor goes into coalition with the Greens (or a voting agreement like Gillard did) then I reckon export coal is done for within five years.

Other than that I really can't see the difference.

Coal will be here for at least the next 20 or 30 years mark my words, they are still digging up plenty in the Hunter Valley, trains running 24hrs a day 7 days a week.

A Yougov poll came out today suggesting that the Coalition would get smashed at the elction, they would crash to 63 seats, whilst ALP would get to 83.

On another note, I really think that the right wing alarmists of  this country need to get a grip, IF the ALP come to power, the sky won't cave in like many of the Murdoch Press are suggesting.

"reckon Labor will form government in their own right,
doyle

"Think you are probably right."
Don Dunstan

I couldn't cope with another miracle

Is it going to be any different? Probably not.

Albo wants to spend even harder and that's probably going to drive inflation even more - he wants to make people like Malcolm Turnbull and Simon Holmes a'Court richer by spending more on weather-dependent power sources. If Labor goes into coalition with the Greens (or a voting agreement like Gillard did) then I reckon export coal is done for within five years.

Other than that I really can't see the difference.

Coal will be here for at least the next 20 or 30 years mark my words, they are still digging up plenty in the Hunter Valley, trains running 24hrs a day 7 days a week.

Let me explain the problem to you. If Labor gets into power it's likely they'll be relying on either the Greens or the 'teal independents' for power - and those people are foaming-at-the-mouth crazy about the coal industry. They want it shut down - no ifs or buts, and that includes export coal because after all Australia is profiteering from spewing all that carbon dioxide into the earth's atmosphere and they want to put a stop to it because carbon dioxide is killing the planet (somehow) - remember?

Putting it on a boat and making export revenue off it is even more evil according to these insane people.

So no more coal export trains - no more affordable grid power. Check the weather forecast before you can put the heater or air conditioner on because otherwise you might cause a national grid blackout. And forget about the Aussie dollar being above fifty US cents ever again if our energy exports are ruined.

That's what we've got to look forward to.

A Yougov poll came out today suggesting that the Coalition would get smashed at the elction, they would crash to 63 seats, whilst ALP would get to 83.

On another note, I really think that the right wing alarmists of  this country need to get a grip, IF the ALP come to power, the sky won't cave in like many of the Murdoch Press are suggesting.

I'm not surprised. I expect that the gap between Labor and the LNP will widen over the next week and far from being close, resulting in a minority government, it will be a complete wipeout of the LNP similar to the recent result in WA.  

Realistically, coal exports aren't going to disappear overnight, but they are nonetheless on a downward spiral as the global demand wains.

Labor's proposal for an anti-corruption commission is far superior to the Morrison governments failed attempt to establish a similar entity.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/labor-integrity-commission-to-investigate-allegations-from-a-long-time-ago-20220512-p5akvr.html

Labor expects its proposed national integrity commission will examine alleged misconduct from as far back as 15 years, with both former and current politicians eligible to be investigated under a broad definition of corruption.
Unlike the Coalition, Labor has promised to create an integrity body with retrospective powers, meaning it could examine decisions taken before the commission came into being.

Former NSW Supreme Court judge Anthony Whealy said Labor’s proposal was “much superior” to the government’s plan, even without draft legislation.
“We haven’t seen it in its expanded form, but the principles are excellent,” Whealy, the chair of the Centre for Public Integrity, said.


Asked to rate Labor’s proposal, AJ Brown, a corruption and integrity expert at Griffith University, said: “Their fundamental principles are certainly better than those in the Coalition’s model, which is a dog’s breakfast.”

Labor's proposal for an anti-corruption commission is far superior to the Morrison governments failed attempt to establish a similar entity.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/labor-integrity-commission-to-investigate-allegations-from-a-long-time-ago-20220512-p5akvr.html

Labor expects its proposed national integrity commission will examine alleged misconduct from as far back as 15 years, with both former and current politicians eligible to be investigated under a broad definition of corruption.
Unlike the Coalition, Labor has promised to create an integrity body with retrospective powers, meaning it could examine decisions taken before the commission came into being.

Former NSW Supreme Court judge Anthony Whealy said Labor’s proposal was “much superior” to the government’s plan, even without draft legislation.
“We haven’t seen it in its expanded form, but the principles are excellent,” Whealy, the chair of the Centre for Public Integrity, said.

Asked to rate Labor’s proposal, AJ Brown, a corruption and integrity expert at Griffith University, said: “Their fundamental principles are certainly better than those in the Coalition’s model, which is a dog’s breakfast.”

The coalition’s proposal prevents the investigation of politicians. A farce.
A humorous but informative review.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrwaKdcskk&feature=youtu.be

As far back as 15 years....

"Hey Albo, Kevin Rudd is on the phone. I don't think he's too impressed..."

Labor's proposal for an anti-corruption commission is far superior to the Morrison governments failed attempt to establish a similar entity.

In fairness to the LNP, Labor and the Greens wouldn't vote for anything remotely resembling an anti-corruption commission - so it was dead in the water thanks to the Senate.

And while we're at it, I'm sick to death of hearing Albo say that he's interested in 'making things here'. What things? How? Another one of these vague motherhood statements that have zero substance to them whatsoever. What exactly are we going to make here considering the cost of electricity, gas, labour, taxes, rates, Workcover, the extreme cost of land and housing etc etc make us pretty much the most undesirable place on the surface of the whole planet to 'make things'?

Don't forget it was the Labor Party that started the process of off-shoring everything to begin with, first with Whitlam agreeing to the substance of the Lima Agreement and then followed by Hawke and Keating with their ridiculous 'level playing field' and the Button Report. It was Labor that did working class people out of good, stable jobs; sure the LNP finished off manufacturing in this country but the ALP started it (not Fraser).

So spare me the dribble about bringing manufacturing back on shore to one of the most expensive countries on earth in which to do business - it simply won't work. This is the same Labor Party that gave 457's to KFC and Hungry Jacks the last time they were in office so they could import cheap Asian labour - they don't give a damn about the jobless young or the hand-to-mouth workers.

And while we're at it, I'm sick to death of hearing Albo say that he's interested in 'making things here'. What things? How? Another one of these vague motherhood statements that have zero substance to them whatsoever. What exactly are we going to make here considering the cost of electricity, gas, labour, taxes, rates, Workcover, the extreme cost of land and housing etc etc make us pretty much the most undesirable place on the surface of the whole planet to 'make things'?

Don't forget it was the Labor Party that started the process of off-shoring everything to begin with, first with Whitlam agreeing to the substance of the Lima Agreement and then followed by Hawke and Keating with their ridiculous 'level playing field' and the Button Report. It was Labor that did working class people out of good, stable jobs; sure the LNP finished off manufacturing in this country but the ALP started it (not Fraser).

So spare me the dribble about bringing manufacturing back on shore to one of the most expensive countries on earth in which to do business - it simply won't work. This is the same Labor Party that gave 457's to KFC and Hungry Jacks the last time they were in office so they could import cheap Asian labour - they don't give a damn about the jobless young or the hand-to-mouth workers.

Fair enough, if that's the way you want to play it, but don't expect good quality finished products at the end of the day. NSW has got some new ferries from Indonesia, they have been beset by problems ever since they got here!!, we have Trams from Spain, but cracks have been found in them, (they are being fixed now though), also, not forgetting the most famous debacle of them all, 3801 Steam Engine was shipped over to Germany for having a new boiler made, but, they mucked that up as well, resulting in months and months of delays to the project!!, building and manufacturing needs to be brought back down under.

Fair enough, if that's the way you want to play it, but don't expect good quality finished products at the end of the day. NSW has got some new ferries from Indonesia, they have been beset by problems ever since they got here!!, we have Trams from Spain, but cracks have been found in them, (they are being fixed now though), also, not forgetting the most famous debacle of them all, 3801 Steam Engine was shipped over to Germany for having a new boiler made, but, they mucked that up as well, resulting in months and months of delays to the project!!, building and manufacturing needs to be brought back down under.

Israilfan, I'm not saying I don't support Australian-made. Anyone who has followed me over the years I've been posting here would know that I'm an extremely staunch advocate of things being made in this country. We could digress into a number of issues that would require a thread of its own but my synopsis would be:

• Hawke and Keating rapidly dismantled the tariff wall claiming our competitors were going to do the same thing and we'd have a 'level playing field'. That never happened - most of our competitors have stiff import barriers against the free import of our products even with so-called 'free trade agreements' (witness China banning a number of products without repercussion).
• We have an extremely high (and increasing) cost of doing business here compared to other countries - electricity, gas, payroll tax, Workcover, high wages because of the high cost of living - you name it.
• Extreme red and green tape - regulation around emissions, even things like equality legislation and diversity laws have an impact. If you have to hire someone because you need more disabled/diverse people then you aren't hiring the best qualified are you, you're doing it because the law compels you to discriminate.
• Albo is just mouthing motherhood statements but he's said nothing about how they'll do it, what they'll do, what things they aim to 'make here'. Nothing at all. Because it's just a load of rubbish - they've got no intention whatsoever of following through with that. Where is there a plan to bring mass-manufacturing back here? They don't have one - just a feeling.

The import of everything that we consume leaving us vulnerable to trade shocks was done by design by BOTH our major parties - without telling us that's what they were doing. And there's no plan to reverse it - not from either side.

Fair enough, if that's the way you want to play it, but don't expect good quality finished products at the end of the day. NSW has got some new ferries from Indonesia, they have been beset by problems ever since they got here!!, we have Trams from Spain, but cracks have been found in them, (they are being fixed now though), also, not forgetting the most famous debacle of them all, 3801 Steam Engine was shipped over to Germany for having a new boiler made, but, they mucked that up as well, resulting in months and months of delays to the project!!, building and manufacturing needs to be brought back down under.

Israilfan, I'm not saying I don't support Australian-made. Anyone who has followed me over the years I've been posting here would know that I'm an extremely staunch advocate of things being made in this country. We could digress into a number of issues that would require a thread of its own but my synopsis would be:

• Hawke and Keating rapidly dismantled the tariff wall claiming our competitors were going to do the same thing and we'd have a 'level playing field'. That never happened - most of our competitors have stiff import barriers against the free import of our products even with so-called 'free trade agreements' (witness China banning a number of products without repercussion).
• We have an extremely high (and increasing) cost of doing business here compared to other countries - electricity, gas, payroll tax, Workcover, high wages because of the high cost of living - you name it.
• Extreme red and green tape - regulation around emissions, even things like equality legislation and diversity laws have an impact. If you have to hire someone because you need more disabled/diverse people then you aren't hiring the best qualified are you, you're doing it because the law compels you to discriminate.
• Albo is just mouthing motherhood statements but he's said nothing about how they'll do it, what they'll do, what things they aim to 'make here'. Nothing at all. Because it's just a load of rubbish - they've got no intention whatsoever of following through with that. Where is there a plan to bring mass-manufacturing back here? They don't have one - just a feeling.

The import of everything that we consume leaving us vulnerable to trade shocks was done by design by BOTH our major parties - without telling us that's what they were doing. And there's no plan to reverse it - not from either side.

Fair enough mate, I didn't know the difference, no offence.