How can you understand the Ukraine war, you have never been there!
And yet you understand everything there is to know about the Vietnam war.
Irony much? No, that's right - you don't do irony. Because sadly you just aren't that bright.
You really have no F'n clue about what the hell is the difference between Ukraine and Russia do you?How can you understand the Ukraine war, you have never been there!
And yet you understand everything there is to know about the Vietnam war.
Irony much? No, that's right - you don't do irony. Because sadly you just aren't that bright.
Take it easy on him, Don. He’s having a bad night in another thread too.Oh comon, you have spent what how many extremely long winded (even by my standards) posts avoiding a direct answer to a direct question. Rather you come up with a complete pile of waffle, using hypothehical ontop of hypothetical situations that are not even relevent to Australia to avoid providing direct answers. Even poor old Don is not as good as you at avoiding a simple question.
Also, Aaron said you’re smarter than me. Thought you’d want to know.
Ukraine will win this war, because they have the hardware and the equipment to sustain a full on war, Russia does not have the stomach for such a conflict.Stomach and political will will wane with a growing death toll as the death rate for Russian soliders if horrific and word is getting out. While Putin has not declared war on Ukraine it prevents him from using reservists and even prosecuting soliders who flee, although there are other repurcusions available.
You've swallowed the propaganda on this war but then when pressed you can't explain why you believe what you do because (similar to Mike the Vinelander) you lack the understanding of what the issues actually are to be able to defend your position. Don't worry, you're not alone. You're just doing what they want you to do which is believe that the West is backing a noble and just cause in Ukraine, completely blind to the fact that it was rotten and dysfunctional just like the US State Department had been saying for the last eight years. We're just propping up a corrupt and incompetent kleptocracy exactly the same as the South Vietnamese government - a war that you continually mis-categorised as a civil war when really it was a proxy war between cold war rivals - again, because you lack a fundamental understanding of what the issues are.You really have no F'n clue about what the hell is the difference between Ukraine and Russia do you?How can you understand the Ukraine war, you have never been there!And yet you understand everything there is to know about the Vietnam war.
Irony much? No, that's right - you don't do irony. Because sadly you just aren't that bright.
I understand the difference between an invasion and a civil war, question is do you?
You don't understand the difference between a civil war and a proxy war yet you have the temerity to call other people wrong.Take it easy on him, Don. He’s having a bad night in another thread too.Oh comon, you have spent what how many extremely long winded (even by my standards) posts avoiding a direct answer to a direct question. Rather you come up with a complete pile of waffle, using hypothehical ontop of hypothetical situations that are not even relevent to Australia to avoid providing direct answers. Even poor old Don is not as good as you at avoiding a simple question.
Also, Aaron said you’re smarter than me. Thought you’d want to know.
Its not just me, a number of posters have said similar in the same thread.
Ukraine will win this war, because they have the hardware and the equipment to sustain a full on war, Russia does not have the stomach for such a conflict.We're only being fed the good news stories on Ukraine's gallant defence of its people - pure propaganda designed to soften us up for when they actually put boots on the ground there. They're also doing their level best to paint Putin as a crazy person, he's supposed to be dying from leukaemia or something which is why he's so 'unhinged'. Pure crap.
You've swallowed the propaganda on this war but then when pressed you can't explain why you believe what you do because (similar to Mike the Vinelander) you lack the understanding of what the issues actually are to be able to defend your position. Don't worry, you're not alone. You're just doing what they want you to do which is believe that the West is backing a noble and just cause in Ukraine, completely blind to the fact that it was rotten and dysfunctional just like the US State Department had been saying for the last eight years. We're just propping up a corrupt and incompetent kleptocracy exactly the same as the South Vietnamese government - a war that you continually mis-categorised as a civil war when really it was a proxy war between cold war rivals - again, because you lack a fundamental understanding of what the issues are.No Don,
Event the Afghanistan intervention you didn't seem to really understand - that wasn't a civil war either, it was the Coalition of the Willing verses fundamentalist Islamics. And we lost miserably, our piss-weak proxy government that they literally spent trillions installing and supporting over twenty years fell over in less than two weeks when US forces withdrew. Absolutely humiliating for the West and not widely discussed because we don't like talking about wars that we lost.
You seriously want to pour resources into defending yet another failed state, be my guest. But I don't support it because we've been down this path before and we always end up losing. Really its a harbinger of the West's terminal decline that we keep backing corrupt proxy states and losing wars - and Ukraine will turn out to be no different.
No Don,I've been to Dubai a few times, does that mean I know everything there is to know about Dubai? Of course not.
Unlike you, I've been there. I know people from there, I do business with industries from there.
Unlike you, I'm aware there wasn't an issue prior to the 2014 invasion, a time frame you struggle to comprehend.Did you mean to say there WAS an issue? Because the assertion that Putin invaded for no reason is just pure rubbish. I suspect you didn't read what you wrote before posting - yet again.
Once again, Vietnam war was based on civil war, led by Ho Chi Minh to reunit the country and kick out colonialism and yes supported by others. The war went through different phases over its very long history, but at the end the basis was the same and Ho Chi Minh achieved his goal. Civil wars are also messy as the enemy is not wearing a uniform and not always in front of you. The finacial support by China and USSR was driven by a common ideology.So you admit that it was a proxy war fought by the communist world against the West?
ONE MORE TIME, Ukraine is not a civil war, they are working to kick out an invader try to take their indepence (again).Where did I say Ukraine was a civil war? It is now turning into a proxy war like Vietnam with the involvement of the United States. Germany and France have been telling Zelenesky that he needs to get back to the negotiating table with Putin but he won't do it - he won't do it because he's deliberately trying to drag the West into the unwinnable quagmire that this war is turning into.
Afghan was both a civil war, Afghan (Taliban) vs Afghan (reformist) and kicking out the invaders (again).No. There would have been no war if the Coalition of the Willing hadn't invaded. The Taliban would have remained in power just like they are now - our twenty year invasion and occupation achieved exactly nothing. I don't know why you want to characterise the Afghanistan occupation as a civil war, it was the Coalition of the Willing versus the Taliban - end-of-story.
Ukraine wasn't a failed state...Yes, it clearly was. As I've mentioned several times before the US State Department wrote a report every year on the situation in Ukraine and they clearly identified the lack of a proper judiciary, the lack of a rule of law, endemic corruption and the failure of the Ukrainian government to control their own military as constant issues. Sending weapons to this crooks is South Vietnam and Afghanistan all over again but as usual there's always some dolts who believe that we're fighting the good fight and that its necessary for us to interfere so the war gets dragged out.
Why have the USA given up on negotiating for peace, and instead keep propping up their military-industrial complex?Some decrepit old Democrat who is 82 years old is certainly not going to be fighting against Russia himself is he. Nor are his kids or grand-kids - but the proletariat kids from the ghettos will almost certainly be fighting that war on their behalf, just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. War mongers will never advocate for something that involves any direct personal sacrifice will they.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/are-we-really-at-war-with-russia/
I grew up and lived for 40 years in Australia and spent the best part of a year there over the last decade, yet we all know how you crap on "I don't live there", so don't BS yourself Don.No Don,I've been to Dubai a few times, does that mean I know everything there is to know about Dubai? Of course not.
Unlike you, I've been there. I know people from there, I do business with industries from there.
Back in your box.Unlike you, I'm aware there wasn't an issue prior to the 2014 invasion, a time frame you struggle to comprehend.Did you mean to say there WAS an issue? Because the assertion that Putin invaded for no reason is just pure rubbish. I suspect you didn't read what you wrote before posting - yet again.Once again, Vietnam war was based on civil war, led by Ho Chi Minh to reunit the country and kick out colonialism and yes supported by others. The war went through different phases over its very long history, but at the end the basis was the same and Ho Chi Minh achieved his goal. Civil wars are also messy as the enemy is not wearing a uniform and not always in front of you. The finacial support by China and USSR was driven by a common ideology.So you admit that it was a proxy war fought by the communist world against the West?
Finally some progress.ONE MORE TIME, Ukraine is not a civil war, they are working to kick out an invader try to take their indepence (again).Where did I say Ukraine was a civil war? It is now turning into a proxy war like Vietnam with the involvement of the United States. Germany and France have been telling Zelenesky that he needs to get back to the negotiating table with Putin but he won't do it - he won't do it because he's deliberately trying to drag the West into the unwinnable quagmire that this war is turning into.
But according to you and your ilk, he can do no wrong.Afghan was both a civil war, Afghan (Taliban) vs Afghan (reformist) and kicking out the invaders (again).No. There would have been no war if the Coalition of the Willing hadn't invaded. The Taliban would have remained in power just like they are now - our twenty year invasion and occupation achieved exactly nothing. I don't know why you want to characterise the Afghanistan occupation as a civil war, it was the Coalition of the Willing versus the Taliban - end-of-story.Ukraine wasn't a failed state...Yes, it clearly was. As I've mentioned several times before the US State Department wrote a report every year on the situation in Ukraine and they clearly identified the lack of a proper judiciary, the lack of a rule of law, endemic corruption and the failure of the Ukrainian government to control their own military as constant issues. Sending weapons to this crooks is South Vietnam and Afghanistan all over again but as usual there's always some dolts who believe that we're fighting the good fight and that its necessary for us to interfere so the war gets dragged out.
Can you imagine what the US government could do with $40 billion on their own soil? You could probably fix some of the extreme urban blight across the US. But instead they're supporting Raytheon, Lockheed Martin et al by buying stuff of them to send to a bunch of kleptocratic crooks who will almost certainly end up using those weapons against civilians.
Again, if you want to keep apologising for a corrupt basket case of a government be my guest. But you're wrong - prolonging this war is wrong. At the very least the UN should step in and offer to peace-keep in eastern Ukraine but nobody is talking about that because they want the war to keep on brewing.
You can keep believing whatever you want to believe but you're still wrong.
Because they are Nazis: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
And 300 Nazi Azov soldiers surrendered overnight in Ukraine.They were the last hold out defending their city against a foreign invader (for the 2nd time) and you call them Nazi's?
I grew up and lived for 40 years in Australia and spent the best part of a year there over the last decade, yet we all know how you crap on "I don't live there", so don't BS yourself Don.You're still wrong and you still don't understand what the actual issues are - so you thrash around creating false analogies and wrong assumptions in the hope that it'll make you right.
Don, prior to 2014, the region was peaceful.
I admit that the prime purpose of the Vietnam war was to unify the country and independence from colonial rule. They were supported by USSR and China due to previous support.
In comparing Ukraine to Vietnam, you are implying its a civil war.
Zelensky has very publically offered Putin to join him at the table, Putin has never accepted.
Zelensky wants his people's independence, he did not ask for his country invaded, flatten, people killed, women raped, etc. Putin did that. Putin lack of surgical strikes is clear of Putin's goal, ie wipe the Ukrainian people out or drive them to flee knowing they won't come back.
WW2 would have been alot shorter if we had not fought back against the Germans or Japanese, so I assume you support this too.
Ukraine economy was doing very well, and best it has been since indepence in 1991. Like all the former USSR states including Russia, it took nearly a decade for these economies to find their feet and more than one had the odd revolution or two. Not that surprising when you consider what has happened. Despite the cost of the 2014 invasion, the Ukraine economy was doing better than Russia. This is not a failed state Don!
Could you imagine what not funding the welfare state of Australia, SA would do for the Australian economy?
I'm not the one reading Putin BS Don.
Sanctions impact update in Russia.The Lada Samara might make a spectacular return...
Moscow government has 'acquired' Renault's manufacturing facilities in Russia. Russia is going to resume domestic car manufacturing, to facilitate this, Russian regulators have removed the laws surrounding vehicle design requiring mandatory air bag and ABS systems - Russia has no domestic ability to design, or manufacture these systems.
Russian roads, especially in the north and east in winter should be nice and safe in cars with no ABS and airbags on roads with unpredictable icing conditions.
The Russian domestic vehicle product will be fantastic, under sanctions the vehicles will have no option for stability control, yaw dampening, on board computers, EFI, digital radio, bluetooth, GPS (they only might be able to have GLONASS navigation), should be really high quality product. The good news is, they might be able to offer it in both two and four stroke options - as someone who has driven a two stroke Sirenka, buy the four stroke, a two stroke car with no direct injection of oil is really hard to drive!
Niva is effectively a GM product - let's see AvtoVAZ make a reputable version without all the GM bits...Sanctions impact update in Russia.The Lada Samara might make a spectacular return...
Moscow government has 'acquired' Renault's manufacturing facilities in Russia. Russia is going to resume domestic car manufacturing, to facilitate this, Russian regulators have removed the laws surrounding vehicle design requiring mandatory air bag and ABS systems - Russia has no domestic ability to design, or manufacture these systems.
Russian roads, especially in the north and east in winter should be nice and safe in cars with no ABS and airbags on roads with unpredictable icing conditions.
The Russian domestic vehicle product will be fantastic, under sanctions the vehicles will have no option for stability control, yaw dampening, on board computers, EFI, digital radio, bluetooth, GPS (they only might be able to have GLONASS navigation), should be really high quality product. The good news is, they might be able to offer it in both two and four stroke options - as someone who has driven a two stroke Sirenka, buy the four stroke, a two stroke car with no direct injection of oil is really hard to drive!
AvtoVAZ still make the Niva 4WD which has a legendary reputation and cult following.