Ghan society alice

 
  ike1 Assistant Commissioner

not worried about w class not a sa/nt engine

dh/nsu /830 /930 all the same handles auto and infependent

at this stage have enough handles want to buy some

ike1

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  NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

Location: Quorn
Have enough handles in Quorn, plus my own thanx

I wasn't aware you had an 830 and a 930 up there

I realise the W is not a SA/NT loco, but then again could the class be as PRR's W933,934 have done more time in S.A. than they ever did in W.A!!
Reason I ask abou W is there have been a large variety of air brake systems used on these loco's.
The first W's to get air brake were the ST W(22-25) which had complete No. 4 brake systems
Next were PRR W933,934 which initially maintained vacuum as an independent brake on the engine unit itself, but maintained the train pipe at front of engine unit and through pipe, through the tender. Air was installed, the automatic portion of A6ET which operated on the tender only, and obviously had a train pipe front and back. Later the vacuum was removed and an independent portion was added, giving full A6ET system
When the wolf in sheeps clothing, W916 was changed into ST look alike W22, in lieu of No. 4 (which would have been historically correct) W22 was fitted out with A7EL, which essentially behaves the same as A6ET anyway. Although fitted with A7EL brake valves, W22 does not have No.3 and 4 Independant Release and Control Pipes fitted (yet)
W901 at Steamtown Peterborough again has a hybrid arrangement, initially fitted the same as PRR's W933,934 retaining vacuum and the automatic portion of A6ET. Later vacuum was removed but instead of going full A6ET with independent valve and distributing valve, W901 used the straight air independent valve from a No.4 system, thereby utilising a double check valve. Advantages; has independent brake with A6ET automatic valve giving min reduction applications, but disadvanteged over full A6ET in that straight air can't be released by the independent valve, it can only be released by release valve
As you can see I have a bit of a fascination here with W class loco's brake systems, so still wondering how is W924 set up??
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
I don't think they have an 830 or 930 in Alice, I think he was refering to the fact that there are still plenty about and they share common brake handles.
  ike1 Assistant Commissioner

well done shacks

ike1
  ike1 Assistant Commissioner

nsu 58 pulled its first train in approx 4 years on sunday to mt etiva and return
no problems
best engine i have driven
sound like a real engine lots of noise

ike1
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Regauge it and put it infront of a NR.
  E1109 Minister for Railways

Location: Bright sunny Darwin
Regauge it and put it infront of a NR.
"Shacks"


Weren't some (if not all) of the NSUs run on SG bogies for their delivery runs?
  NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

Location: Quorn
NSU51 operated on SG (on SG power bogies) from Port Augusta to Hesso when it was brought into service in 1954
It is also alleged that NSU54 may also have had SG (power) bogies under her briefly and operated between Port Augusta and Port Pirie, however I haven't seen any photo's to support this
The only other occasions that NSU diesels had SG bogies under them in Australia were when they were on Q wagons being transferred around SA (Marree to Port Augusta, and/or around the Peterborough/Gladstone divisions), or sometimes were fitted with SG freight bogies and towed as part of a train
Their testing in the UK may have also been on SG (power) bogies, unless they had suitable lengths of NG mainline

Like Ike1 says, a NSU in notch 18 sounds bl00dy magnificent!!!!!!!!
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
Now where would you have got an NSU upto notch 18 ???
  NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

Location: Quorn
A lot of occassions:
There was the materials delivery (rail and sleepers) train that also included NT76, but with the NT not powering, there was cetainly more than the allowed weight behind the NSU (iaw the WTT), but she hung in there and pulled magnificently. Coming home with the materials offloaded, about notch 12 was sufficient to maintain the required speed
The testing done in June 2004 Quorn to Summit, (after the wheelslip relays melted), towing half dozen loaded hoppers and NT76 on the Hawker end of the train (come brake van and then train loco for Summit to Quorn) required the use of notch 18 all the way up the hill
Also any other occasion with a half decent load, notch 18 used until required speed is obtained then throttle back as nescessary
  cpdbear Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
I can actually remeber seeing a set of what appeared to be a set of SG NSU bogies sitting in truck yard at the southern end of the Port Augusta workshops. Would have been around the mid 1980s. I would image they were cut up a couple of years later when AN had a big workshop clean out.

From memory - I thought it was reported at the time of purchase that they ordered two sets of SG bogies with the NSUs. But I must admit it's a long time since I wadded my way though that stuff. Laughing
  ike1 Assistant Commissioner

nsu 58 in process of being rubbed down to be repainted may be ready by next sunday

ike1
  E1109 Minister for Railways

Location: Bright sunny Darwin
Saw NSU58's nose poking out of the shed this morning, looks good. Is NSU 58 on the 1100 train tomorrow?
  ike1 Assistant Commissioner

if not it wont be

ike1
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
A bit cryptic there Ike.
  ike1 Assistant Commissioner

one way to get post up

in adelaide off for 3 to 6 months knee operations

ike
  E1109 Minister for Railways

Location: Bright sunny Darwin
one way to get post up

in adelaide off for 3 to 6 months knee operations

ike
"ike1"


Best of luck with the knee op, ike1

I didn't get a chance to go on the trip today (if it run) as I'm the on-call tech at work, have to try later to get a ride.
  raymond Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gladstone, Queensland
I have a photo of a NSU running on the GWR main line in england attached to some BR standard Mk1 coaches on test.  

I will have to dig them out.

RAYMOND
  raymond Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gladstone, Queensland
Found the photo of the NSU in England.









RAYMOND
  E1109 Minister for Railways

Location: Bright sunny Darwin
Well, after 6 1/2 years in Alice Springs, I finally went on the train this morning.

DH14 was the engine for trip both ways. All went well with nothing of note to mention except the open carriages are in my opinion the best way to see the countryside.

NSU58 look fantastic in the repainted CR maroon/silver livery.
  DrSmith Train Controller

The NSU s.g. bogies were scrapped in 1985 or 86. I saw them in the wagons. The NTs with their inter-connecting bogie steer linkage removed were very good traction machines. The NSUs probably were too.
  E1109 Minister for Railways

Location: Bright sunny Darwin
NSU58 was running around the yard yesterday morning, the recent paint job looks greatin the sun (last time, it was in the shed with the nose poking out)

When DH14 is due for paint, will it retain the AN green/yellow or get a QR paint scheme?
  ike1 Assistant Commissioner

it will most probaly stay as is
cant waste money on paint jobs
paint is in good condition  


ike1
  dawesybj Chief Train Controller

Location: Morphett Vale Sth Australia
The Old Ghan Has now gone back to a Museum from the begin of year 2007 as the crew on the last train we run from Stuart and back got abuse from the committee and that we were the once that were to be blame for the for not getting acreditation for running trains and the voluteer on the last train aslo where getting abuse for the committee so since decmeber last year 06 the train hasn't run and NSU58 just got a overhaul and fix again ready to run again and the W924 was nearly ready to run again but with crew and the acreditaiton we are unable to run trains for public until futher notice.
  cpdbear Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
The Old Ghan Has now gone back to a Museum from the begin of year 2007 as the crew on the last train we run from Stuart and back got abuse from the committee and that we were the once that were to be blame for the for not getting acreditation for running trains and the voluteer on the last train aslo where getting abuse for the committee so since decmeber last year 06 the train hasn't run and NSU58 just got a overhaul and fix again ready to run again and the W924 was nearly ready to run again but with crew and the acreditaiton we are unable to run trains for public until futher notice.
"dawesybj"


Are you trying to say that someone ran a train without having accreditation and when the committee told them off you thought that that was inappropriate? The above message is a bit confusing.

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