SAR/CR Trivia #24

 
  chooke Station Master

Here's one.

The Finsbury/Woodville North service could depart or arrive from either platforms 2, 3 or 4, Woodville station. When would the service normally depart from platform 3? If you know about platform 2 that is a bonus - I don't know it myself!

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  xdford Chief Train Controller

This is a bit late and I am surprised it was left this long. From memory several of the Finsbury services in the afternoon "crossed" at Woodville North, the down version of which was followed by an express which "caught it" near Woodville Park, thus obligating the down service into Platform 3 so the up Finsbury could use Platform 4. From memory there were 3 afternoon services to Finsbury.

Where the down track from Adelaide was clear, the Finsbury would have/could have used Platform 2...

All from memory... I don't have any old WTT's with me here in Melbourne!

Cheers

Trevor
  chooke Station Master

That is correct Trevor.

I once caught a train to Woodville Nth from Platform 2, back in 1978 I think.
xdford
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Some Finsbury trains were a simple shuttle back and forth from Finsbury these used platform 4 at Woodville for this. However in both peaks there was also trains from Adelaide to Finsbury and reverse as well and as there was not many crossing places on the line, Woodville North being the only one actually then it was one railcar at a time on the line using a staff. I have one of these staffs in my possession actually given to me by a Woodville Station Master! So with staff machine operation on this line you can only have one staff out at any time, hence only one movement. So trains could be crossed at Woodville by using the other platforms. Woodville North being rarely if ever used for crossing a railcar. This was in Red Hen days though! In reality it was a simple single track for all intents and purposes.

Out of peak hours platform 4 at Woodville was used to get the Holdens shunt train out of the way to go to Mile End! The train being made up in the platform!
  xdford Chief Train Controller

OK, this might sound obtuse but it will get the ball rolling...

What was the actual steepest section of track on the SAR carrying on to ANR days?

Trevor
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Trevor - depends if you mean simple grade change or grade + curvature (which essentially increases the effective grade the loco has to deal with).  If the latter, I've got to think the Main South Line would be a contender.

I don't have grade charts handy but I also recall reading about a fairly steep grade in one if the 'Proceed to ...' books where they often had to split a fairly pathetically sized train to make it up with a T.  But I suspect that the line didnt make it into the ANR period, or if it did, not for very long.
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

I was thinking Belalie bank just out of Jamestown but as with SAR523, I'm not sure about the ANR period.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

I was thinking Belalie bank just out of Jamestown but as with SAR523, I'm not sure about the ANR period.
SAR520SMBH

The section of track that I am thinking of was actually quite short... very few movements as distinct from Locos would have used the line... just about given it away with that!

Trevor
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
What was the actual steepest section of track on the SAR carrying on to ANR days?

Trevor
"xdford"

A wild guess but ..........
The branch from the truro line (Stockwell Rd LX) into the Penrice Quarry?
  xdford Chief Train Controller

HI Tony,

A bit closer to Adelaide than that!

Cheers

Trevor
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Into the ME diesel loco facility?

The track up to the public staithes at ME North was quite steep but I think that predates you period.

Ian
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Into the ME diesel loco facility?

The track up to the public staithes at ME North was quite steep but I think that predates you period.

Ian
steam4ian

Correct Ian, the Gradient at that point was in the order of 1:28 and no train was ever meant to traverse it but light locos could. It was unnerving almost rollercoaster like being in a loco going down it if you were not used to it but it was about the length of 2 930's. The "escape" lasted into ANR days till about 1984 or so AFAIK


Over to you Ian ... I honestly thought it would go earlier!

Trevor
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Trevor.

Your clues were too generous and it was the only place around the system I could think of close to Adelaide.

Ian
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

A bridge only intended to be used by locos.
  torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

Old Princes Highway, Murray Bridge, it was originally a rail bridge now a road bridge.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Any turntable, as the revolving part is a Bridge and is in fact referred to as the bridge! If this is correct then floor is open to anyone!
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Any turntable, as the revolving part is a Bridge and is in fact referred to as the bridge! If this is correct then floor is open to anyone!
David Peters

Very clever David but NOT the answer.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

This clue is a word to the wise.
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Was there a wye somewhere that had a bridge on one of the legs?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Was there a wye somewhere that had a bridge on one of the legs?
SAR523

You tell me.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Morgan?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Morgan?
duttonbay

I'll pay that.

I was actually thinking of Mt Barker where the apex needed a bridge over the creek, the point blades must have just about been on the bridge..

The wye at Morgan ran up the gulley by Landseer's warehouse and seemed incredibly steep. I think it had a separate bridge over the punt access road from the main line.

Over to you.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

OK - here's a simple one.

We are looking for a stretch of line where up became down, and vice-versa.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

OK - here's a simple one.

We are looking for a stretch of line where up became down, and vice-versa.
duttonbay

Terowie to Peterborough?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

No.  Terowie to Peterborough was down in both NG and SG days.

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