New Car Set FN3 and other V/Line fleet changes

 
  VN18 Junior Train Controller

Location: Central Highlands
N3 has become the second set N set and first on BG to be repainted in VLP4 PT>. Returning yesterday as standard N set ACN9-BRN47-BN8. BZN258 and BTN254 are both running as D and E cars in VN14.

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  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
The extra power van saga of buying a former NSWGR stainless steel sleeping rather than obtaining a more suitable ex Overland baggage car which has very similar chassis and body configuration has finally played out in using the ACZ instead.

So who ever thought a sleeping car would have the frame and body structure to enable it to be converted to a power van with entirely different design and construction techniques.   The stainless steel bud design cars have a more monocoque design where the body also plays an integral part in the structure and load bearing capabilities of the car.

So we have the all the acquisition, design and construction costs of the stainless steel car totally trashed and wasted.   We then have all the investigation, design and conversion costs of the ACZ car, which are all extra.    V/Line if it wasn't so arrogant as well insular could easily have engaged with numerous parties/individuals and been directed to at least 3 vehicles that would have been more suitable, easier to convert, less costly to convert and more quickly converted.

And what of the ACZ which has been stored with accident damage, wow it could have been repaired instead and refurbished to actually carry people!!!   If the car was considered suitable enough to be heavily rebuilt to become a power van then it could have been for far lower cost repaired and returned to service at a time when V/Line or better still the Government and Community desperately needs more capacity on its system.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
BTN254 and BZN258 have both been returned to West Melbourne and have received new bogie frames and a lick of new paint and full refurb. Full refurb as both cars have not been in service sins they were in VLP2 red and original BZN/BTN conversion interior.
VN18
Not being painted in the new V/Line PTV livery shows further incompetence. What a waste of taxpayer dollars.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
And what of the ACZ which has been stored with accident damage, wow it could have been repaired instead and refurbished to actually carry people!!!   If the car was considered suitable enough to be heavily rebuilt to become a power van then it could have been for far lower cost repaired and returned to service at a time when V/Line or better still the Government and Community desperately needs more capacity on its system.
Trainplanner

I don't disagree with what you are saying, however in todays DDA compliant and accessible world and the fact the ACZ is actually around 60 years of age, it was or would have been one of the next cars to be 'off registered' due to its age.

As a power van, no passenger access compliance is required.

Agreed though if the car was destroyed, then that's a future loss for heritage groups.

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

Mike.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
The issue of Disability Access has been tested in regard to how it applies to trains versus individual vehicles.   As long as there is 1 carriage per train consist then that meets the requirement.   If you look at 3 car V'Locity sets only 1 car in the set is so configured, hence in the case of the North East sets why the BDN class car was developed.
  richter170 Locomotive Driver

I don't disagree with what you are saying, however in todays DDA compliant and accessible world and the fact the ACZ is actually around 60 years of age, it was or would have been one of the next cars to be 'off registered' due to its age.

Mike,

The BZN and BTN cars are all from the same group and these will provide at least another 10 years service if not more to ensure that the Broad Gauge sets remain wheelchair friendly.

What baffles me is the fact that two sets had the 5th car removed on the Albury sets so that three sets are only 4 cars + power van and one 5 car set plus van. All the Z cars are allocated to N sets on Broad Gauge, but will someone please look into refurbishing the BS cars, rip the compartments out, make them a BTN type seat layout so that passengers don't have to travel on backup bus to Wangaratta which seems to be the case of late!

It's not V/line it's the government pushing to have a spare set 'just in case' on the SG, that's fine but use these stored cars to build the sets back up again. In the long run it's cheaper to refurb a car than hire in coaches everytime the train is full.

End of Rant
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
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  N463 Locomotive Driver

Has anything happened to one of the Sprinters lately?

Whilst leaving the coach terminal at Southern Cross yesterday, I noticed I saw a Sprinter in the carriage sidings with a tarpaulin covering the cab at one end, extending back past the side doors near that end. Wonder if it's been involved in an accident somewhere?


N463
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Has anything happened to one of the Sprinters lately?

Whilst leaving the coach terminal at Southern Cross yesterday, I noticed I saw a Sprinter in the carriage sidings with a tarpaulin covering the cab at one end, extending back past the side doors near that end. Wonder if it's been involved in an accident somewhere?


N463
N463
Fire in ac unit above drivers cab at one end whilst stabled overnight at seymour some months ago .  Believed to be written off and to be canabalized for spares and parts.  So an original  22  Sprinters has now come down to 20 .
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Does anyone know why V/Line in their wisdom are not painting the refurbished Z cars in the new V/Line PTV livery? Another has turned up at Southern Cross over the past couple of days (BTN268??) with new bogies and fresh VLP MKIII livery.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Does anyone know why V/Line in their wisdom are not painting the refurbished Z cars in the new V/Line PTV livery? Another has turned up at Southern Cross over the past couple of days (BTN268??) with new bogies and fresh VLP MKIII livery.
SamTheMan79
VLP needs extra capacity  fast, these cars have been out of service over 3 years another failure by VLP management to get replacement bogies urgently .  Another of VLP  "Blue Hills"  sagas.

So main need is to get cars back into traffic providing capacity,  who cares what livery they are in ?

Generally  rollingstock is repainted set by set on cyclical basis .  So say every 5 years, if the livery changes then it will take around 5 years for the complete fleet tarnsformation to take place .

Given the new livery is so hideous and complicated the longer it takes to get done the better .
  richter170 Locomotive Driver

Fire in ac unit above drivers cab at one end whilst stabled overnight at seymour some months ago .  Believed to be written off and to be canabalized for spares and parts.  So an original  22  Sprinters has now come down to 20 .
Definitely WRONG . It's 7012 and was in service at the time, it was mid morning and it was laying over in the platform at Seymour when it caught fire. The fire was contained in the electrical cabinet and drivers cabin.

It has been stored pending an investigation taking place, this has been conducted and the unit has been prepared for transport this Saturday for major rebuilding. It will be back in service later this year.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Does anyone know why V/Line in their wisdom are not painting the refurbished Z cars in the new V/Line PTV livery? Another has turned up at Southern Cross over the past couple of days (BTN268??) with new bogies and fresh VLP MKIII livery.
VLP needs extra capacity  fast, these cars have been out of service over 3 years another failure by VLP management to get replacement bogies urgently .  Another of VLP  "Blue Hills"  sagas.

So main need is to get cars back into traffic providing capacity,  who cares what livery they are in ?

Generally  rollingstock is repainted set by set on cyclical basis .  So say every 5 years, if the livery changes then it will take around 5 years for the complete fleet tarnsformation to take place .

Given the new livery is so hideous and complicated the longer it takes to get done the better .
kuldalai
I understand what you're saying @kuldalai but my point is why are painting one set of carriages one colour and the then another set in another colour at the same time.

If the need is to get the cars back into traffic ASAP, why are they painting them at all?
  VN18 Junior Train Controller

Location: Central Highlands
N3, SN8 and N10 now all in the new VLP MkIV PT> livery. With N11, SN16 and BTN262 due. While Sprinter SP06 back in service with modified west end (toilet end) seating plan. This sees tilt back seats in the place of the first three rows.
  themetptc Junior Train Controller

Location: Ballarat
I wouldn't call the new (latest) livery on V/line trains 'V/line Mkiv'. It is a PTV livery, virtually nothing to do with V/line, other than using the purple that V/line started.
Sim
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Does anyone know what work is being undertake on the H sets at Bendigo?

I assume that they are being re-wired so as they can be hauled by N class only as opposed to push-pull P class which are being retired with the timetable change on August 27th?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Does anyone know what work is being undertake on the H sets at Bendigo?

I assume that they are being re-wired so as they can be hauled by N class only as opposed to push-pull P class which are being retired with the timetable change on August 27th?
SamTheMan79
Ya what now?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/speedemon08/10067091074/in/album-72157625980222750/
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Does anyone know what work is being undertake on the H sets at Bendigo?

I assume that they are being re-wired so as they can be hauled by N class only as opposed to push-pull P class which are being retired with the timetable change on August 27th?
Ya what now?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/speedemon08/10067091074/in/album-72157625980222750/
speedemon08
I'm not saying that they've never been hauled by an N class.

I was under the impression that some of the H sets can only be run in push-pull mode because of the internal wiring.



Most of the H sets that have gone to SSR have gone in push-pull mode but haven't come back like that.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The fixed 6 car SSH sets are all labelled NOT to be used in push/Pull mode.

As of  27/08/17  timetable no more Push/Pull runs anyway .  All will be hauled by N or solo surviving A Class .
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
So does anybody know when and why Vlocity 1101 got Kevin E Johns printed in the front of it?
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

So does anybody know when and why Vlocity 1101 got Kevin E Johns printed in the front of it?
Gauntlet
First V/Line driver to reach 80 years of age whilst still driving.
  DALEK Locomotive Fireman

Does anyone know if any more N St's have been painted in PTV colours, apart from SN8, VN3 & VN10? I have heard a rumour that VN11 has also been repainted.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Does anyone know if any more N St's have been painted in PTV colours, apart from SN8, VN3 & VN10? I have heard a rumour that VN11 has also been repainted.
DALEK

They don't actually get 'painted' now, as far as I know they get appliqued with a plastic wrap.

Mike.
  thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller

FN8? with N467 Doing the runaround at Warrnambool



https://youtu.be/NQ_JRbcVtas

On a side note looks like the yard has been obstructed at the UP end?

https://flic.kr/p/Y6Cqh8
  nozza99 Station Master

Location: Warrnambool, Vic
FN8? with N467 Doing the runaround at Warrnambool



https://youtu.be/NQ_JRbcVtas

On a side note looks like the yard has been obstructed at the UP end?

https://flic.kr/p/Y6Cqh8
thekingoffoxes

It would have a lot to do with the up freight derailing at that spot on 17th Aug. It might also explain why EM100 is in town today.

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