Mildura Line Upgrade Starts

 
  Bruce McLean Junior Train Controller

Location: Kangaroo Flat
Dual gauge track panels on concrete sleepers have been made up to be placed in the level crossings between Mildura and Irymple.  This work started this week and marks the commencement of the long overdue work to bring the Mildura line back to its original state.

Bruce in Mildura

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Dual gauge track panels on concrete sleepers have been made up to be placed in the level crossings between Mildura and Irymple.  This work started this week and marks the commencement of the long overdue work to bring the Mildura line back to its original state.

Bruce in Mildura
"Bruce McLean"


Thanks Bruce ExclamationWell Done

But after all the to-ing and fro-ing with regards the Mildura line, some of it by me and its eventual, long awaited restoration, the question remains, what will the gauge be  Question

Mike.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
IIRC where level crossings are being replaced around the state, dual gauge is being installed. There's one on the down side of Wedderburn Junction that's dual gauge with concrete sleepers. This way if the line is converted to standard gauge, the level crossing doesn't have to be renewed.
  A no 1 Chief Commissioner

Location: I see a Seagoon
Thety have just finished the 3 major crossings in Ballarat all done in Broad Gauge
I supose they will have to dig them up again for Standard Gauge
  Bruce McLean Junior Train Controller

Location: Kangaroo Flat
The gauge will not be converted during this upgrade unless there is a major policy announcement  by the government to convert to standard gauge.   Perhaps something might come from the Fischer report now due.

Bruce
  Highrailer Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere out on the track......anywhere around the country
Thety have just finished the 3 major crossings in Ballarat all done in Broad Gauge
I supose they will have to dig them up again for Standard Gauge
"A no 1"


At least two other crossing's (if not three) were dual guaged on the Maryborough/Mildura line in Ballarat about 5 years ago !
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

Went out to Gheringhap tonight, and was quite surprised how many sleepers were there. It was like a fortress, two rows on the broad gauge side starting from the down end of the old gypsum siding right down to the tennis courts. I estimated about 12,000 sleepers. And when I was leaving another truckload just happened to arrive, this was about 10:30pm. There is a portable office and toilet near the tennis courts that have been there for at least 2 weeks. I'm assuming Gheringhap is going to be a base for the upgrade project. And i'm also guessing that sleeper trains will pull up into the siding and get loaded eventually from what I can make of it. Gheringhap seems to be the perfect setup for it though. Will all be interesting!
  Bruce McLean Junior Train Controller

Location: Kangaroo Flat
Further to the work currently being undertaken to renew rail in the Seventh Street, Sandilong Avenue, Karadoc Avenue, Cowra Avenue and Irymple Avenue level crossings between Mildura and Irymple, freight traffic has been suspended to give a clear run to John Holland contractors.
The work is scheduled to be completed by Thursday evening 13/12/07.
Renewal of the San Mateo and Benetook Avenue crossings is scheduled for the new year. Both these crossing intersect cross roads and feature roundabouts.  Track machines noted in use include a ballast spreader and tamper.
The last locos on 9141/40 were G527 and freshly painted S306.

Bruce
  Bruce McLean Junior Train Controller

Location: Kangaroo Flat
Further to my previous post, I have now been advised that only todays 9141/40 has been cancelled.

Bruce
  Shmando Junior Train Controller

Location: Enjoying a frothy
It would seem we are not to far off seeing rail based works trains. Does anyone have any information on who and what are likely to be hauling these?
  standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!
http://www.doi.vic.gov.au/DOI/Internet/Freight.nsf/AllDocs/A20CAE2D119B6DC9CA257329001895F1?OpenDocument

Mildura Rail Freight Upgrade
As part of the Government's long-term blueprint Meeting Our Transport Challenges, the Government will undertake a $73 million upgrade to the Mildura line for freight purposes.
Latest news

Works have begun on the Mildura Rail Freight Upgrade.

Motorists are advised that some railway crossings will be temporarily closed during works and traffic will be detoured during this period:



Seventh Avenue Railway Crossing - Closed from 6:00pm Friday 7 December to 6:00pm Sunday 9 December.

Sandilong Avenue Railway Crossing - Closed from 6.00pm Friday 7 December to 6.00pm Sunday 9 December.

Karadoc Avenue Railway Crossing - Closed from 6.00am Monday 10 December to 6.00pm Tuesday 11 December.

Cowra Avenue Railway Crossing - Closed from 6.00am Tuesday 11 December to 6.00pm Wednesday 12 December.

Irymple Avenue Railway Crossing - Closed from 6.00am Wednesday 12 December to 6.00pm Thursday 13 December.


and this one


http://www.doi.vic.gov.au/DOI/DOIElect.nsf/$UNIDS+for+Web+Display/96EE6E9C8D3FF300CA2573AD00041D65/$FILE/Joint%20on%20Mildura%20rail%20corridor%20041207.pdf
  standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!
10 hours journey time for freight...

Hmm I think V/line can "almost" run a relatively competitive train service(on the edge of competitive) with that sort of running time. And V/line probably can suqeese out some ex-WCR carriages for this run. Not sure about if there are enough motive power thou
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
T376 was noted testing crossing lights between Ballarat and Maryborough today. One would guess El Zorro have the contract.
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
10 hours journey time for freight...

Hmm I think V/line can "almost" run a relatively competitive train service(on the edge of competitive) with that sort of running time. And V/line probably can suqeese out some ex-WCR carriages for this run. Not sure about if there are enough motive power thou
"standard_gauge"


6 hours by whereis.com, which means in the Real World, where trains run at modern speeds, Vline should be able to do it in 4 hours.

I mean, if they can get a train to Ballarat in square on 1 hour for 115 clicks, maintaining this rate over much easier ground should see them reach Mildura in 4 hours, with stops only in Donald and Maryborough. Stuff the rest.

They won't, so no point reintroducing the train.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
10 hours journey time for freight...

Hmm I think V/line can "almost" run a relatively competitive train service(on the edge of competitive) with that sort of running time. And V/line probably can suqeese out some ex-WCR carriages for this run. Not sure about if there are enough motive power thou
"standard_gauge"


6 hours by whereis.com, which means in the Real World, where trains run at modern speeds, Vline should be able to do it in 4 hours.

I mean, if they can get a train to Ballarat in square on 1 hour for 115 clicks, maintaining this rate over much easier ground should see them reach Mildura in 4 hours, with stops only in Donald and Maryborough. Stuff the rest.

They won't, so no point reintroducing the train.
"Riccardo"


Why not stop at St Arnaud, it's over twice the size of Donald. 1,327 Vs 2,800.

Mike.  
  jarf Chief Commissioner

Location: Bunzelling!
Would it be better having a train to Mildura saving time by only stopping at a couple of intermediate stations past Ballarat, or adding 20-30 minutes to make it stop at a few more, and potentially service thousands more people?

Hmm... Rolling Eyes
  railpixel Station Master

Location: Ballarat, VIC
The upgrade works are approaching Ballarat with current activity around Navigators, Yendon and Lal Lal. Y145-T413 running ballast duties was stabled at Lal Lal today with sleeper laying equipment further north at Navigators. Large stockpiles of ballast at Navigators may mean they will be shortly loading from there instead of the current loading at Gheringhap.

New crossings scheduled for laying late this week and over the weekend are sitting ready at Lal Lal and Yendon (both are dual gauge).

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[img]http://thumbs.fotopic.net/836048000912.jpg[/img]
and a few others at

http://railpixel.fotopic.net/c1472508.html

cheers

Chris
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The last time I headed out (January / February) they were working on the bit between Gheringhap and Bannockburn. Looks like they have headed right past my part of the woods now. Mad
  A no 1 Chief Commissioner

Location: I see a Seagoon
The upgrade works are approaching Ballarat with current activity around Navigators, Yendon and Lal Lal. Y145-T413 running ballast duties was stabled at Lal Lal today with sleeper laying equipment further north at Navigators. Large stockpiles of ballast at Navigators may mean they will be shortly loading from there instead of the current loading at Gheringhap.

New crossings scheduled for laying late this week and over the weekend are sitting ready at Lal Lal and Yendon (both are dual gauge).

[img]http://thumbs.fotopic.net/839048000912.jpg[/img]

[img]http://thumbs.fotopic.net/837048000912.jpg[/img]

[img]http://thumbs.fotopic.net/836048000912.jpg[/img]
and a few others at

http://railpixel.fotopic.net/c1472508.html

cheers

Chris
"railpixel"
Duel gauge crossings

common sense at last!
  Ads Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thanks for the photos Chris.

When was the last time the siding/platform road at Lal Lal was used?

I assume the train can't stable too close to the platform itself without setting off the level crossing's bells and lights?

-adam
  steamkiwi Train Controller

Location: Western Victoria
[quote="A no 1Duel gauge crossings

common sense at last![/quote]

This has been the case since last year - all track upgrades outside the Melbourne metropolitan area are to include dual gauge track on concrete sleepers through all level crossings.
A couple in Ballarat slipped through the cracks because of very late attempts to catch up with programmed work last year - this is already causing some angst as to how they can be changed over for standard gauge track.
  cassowary Station Master

Duel gauge crossings

common sense at last!
"A no 1"


Is that your suggestion for how we decide whether to switch to standard gauge or remain with broad? Have them fight to the death at dawn? The difficulty with that is if they move they've lost ... but if they don't move, they can't win! Maybe the standard gauge track intends to store up and project sufficient heat to melt the nearby broad gauge rail. What mechanism will it use to ensure it does get melted in the process?

HOW WILL THIS UNFOLD?? THE MYSTERY IS KILLING ME!

Umm... I mean, you misspelt "dual".
  steamkiwi Train Controller

Location: Western Victoria

Is that your suggestion for how we decide whether to switch to standard gauge or remain with broad? Have them fight to the death at dawn? The difficulty with that is if they move they've lost ... but if they don't move, they can't win! Maybe the standard gauge track intends to store up and project sufficient heat to melt the nearby broad gauge rail. What mechanism will it use to ensure it does get melted in the process?

HOW WILL THIS UNFOLD?? THE MYSTERY IS KILLING ME!
"cassowary"


All very simple. There is a considerable cost - both monetary and disruption, in doing a major level crossing rebuild.
The decision was made at least 6 years ago to begin putting concrete sleepers and a short length of standard gauge rail in to level crossings as they were rebuilt. A number were done in Ballarat, and some on the line between Ballarat and Maryborough at least (Tourello is one I have recently driven across). It appears to have been part of the abortive standard gauge conversion which has been a football between operators and the government for some time, but at least has the advantage that conversion does not generally mean a wholesale ripping up of level crossings to move one rail the requisite 6.5 inches.
Standard gauge will come across Victoria - inevitable now, and the only ones opposing it are a few with heads firmly in the sand. Mainly politicians and a couple of regulatory types, and the boss of one operator.
  NathanCastle Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gippsland
common sense at last![/quote]

This has been the case since last year - all track upgrades outside the Melbourne metropolitan area are to include dual gauge track on concrete sleepers through all level crossings.
[/quote]

Every new crossing rebuild outside of Melbourne ?
Why not every new crossing rebuild in the state ?
  cassowary Station Master

Steam Kiwi, you provide a useful explanation of converting all level crossings to dual gauge.

But it does not explain how a standard gauge rail will be able to kill a broad gauge rail in a duel, without ceasing to be a standard gauge rail. This is what I assume A no 1 was suggesting when he said to "duel gauge crossings".

It's like saying "their going home now", except much funnier.

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