Sinking of the Perth Station

 
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
Hi All,

Seems this is going ahead  Sad

Whats to become of the Perth Station building ?? I see no mention of one of Perths oldest buildings.

As for the rail photo - damn shame and a good reason to get trackside to catch trains in the sun in the Perth city.

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  Freddo Chief Commissioner

Location: Junee NSW
Well proberly make it into a tourist center like they have done with most unused railway stations. LOL or fill it in like the Cook swimming pool and use it as a putting green.
  3981 Assistant Commissioner

I dont think Perth station is going, their sinking the rail line immediately after the station on the City West end.
  fastrak44 Junior Train Controller

Location: 100 metres from what will be electrified railway in the next 5 years.
Yeah, aparently as soon as the trains pull out of underneath Horseshoe Bridge the line will head downwards and underneath "The Link". It'll the pop back up just before Fitzgerald Street or near there.

I think its a brilliant idea, it'll make Perth a better city and its about time the Feds put money towards it, after all these years.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Isn't the Mandurah line underground just there?  How will they get around that?
  DA1578 Banned

Location: Banned
The will dig a bigger hole, they can use my dads  front end loader
  pm1225 Chief Commissioner

I saw a concept plan once and if I remember right its like this present Fremantle/Midland platforms  will become Armadale/Thornlie platforms.
Old platform one at Perth City station will reopen
platform five will be Fremantle/Midland platform
platform four will close.

The old eight and nine platforms will be dead ended as the line will be sunk on the present Fremantle line allingment to vicinity of Fitzgerald Street.

The Fremantle line will move to the temporary allingment it had in the early 1990's on the west side of the freeway bridges.

Following sinking of the the Fremantle line the temporary line on the west side will be riped out.

Perth City station as it presently looks will not be altered.
  trainmadd Train Controller

Isn't the Mandurah line underground just there?  How will they get around that?
"Kafoopsy"
Yep, under the Fremantle Line, guess they'll dig up Northbridge.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Freo line will cross the Mandurah bored tunnel then dive and be in cut and cover for a length before emerging at some point before City West. This is mainly greenfield and readily achieved. Sinking the Joondalup line is far more challenging as it emerges from the bored tunnel into the dive, has a short run on the flat before diving into Roe St tunnel. Building this lower would have massive disruption.
However, there is one additional key issue. Perth Yard is the only meeting point of the Mandurah to Nowergup to the rest of the system and connectivity would be lost. Presumably train deliveries and transfers would be by road between Claisebrook and Nowegup. Even more importantly, footy trains could not run from Mandurah to West Leederville.
Personally, I think the railway should stay where it is and be boxed in, with development above and around the box. The stated aim is to open up Perth Yard though the developers just want lots of high rise.
Also note that Lake St is so named for a reason, Perth Yard is on the site of a lake, good luck with foundations.
WW
  fastrak44 Junior Train Controller

Location: 100 metres from what will be electrified railway in the next 5 years.
Freo line will cross the Mandurah bored tunnel then dive and be in cut and cover for a length before emerging at some point before City West. This is mainly greenfield and readily achieved. Sinking the Joondalup line is far more challenging as it emerges from the bored tunnel into the dive, has a short run on the flat before diving into Roe St tunnel. Building this lower would have massive disruption.
However, there is one additional key issue. Perth Yard is the only meeting point of the Mandurah to Nowergup to the rest of the system and connectivity would be lost. Presumably train deliveries and transfers would be by road between Claisebrook and Nowegup. Even more importantly, footy trains could not run from Mandurah to West Leederville.
Personally, I think the railway should stay where it is and be boxed in, with development above and around the box. The stated aim is to open up Perth Yard though the developers just want lots of high rise.
Also note that Lake St is so named for a reason, Perth Yard is on the site of a lake, good luck with foundations.
WW
"62440"


I doubt they'll do transfers by road but it may be that the government puts some money towards adding rails to the Glen Iris tunnel south of Roe Highway or maybe they'll have a switchpoint in the trench. This means another Shutdown in future.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Reinstating the Kenwick link is the obvious answer and since the Court govt actually proposed the route, they would not be backpedalling. The Mandurah line was designed for high speed turnouts into the tunnel. There is a large gas main to be replaced which will not be cheap  but the freight line is dual gauge so a temporary connection could be made if the designed Kenwick link is not built and wired. There is another potential connection where the line crosses the Mundijong-Kwinana line which is feasible though it would need a level crossing.
WW
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
There is no way that they would sink the line and not have a connection so that football trains can go directly onto the Mandurah line. You only have to see how many people use the train to the Mandurah line after a game to know that changing trains at Perth would cause chaos.

Cheers

Alan.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

You will have to walk the extra km to Leederville station along with thousands of others.
WW
  fastrak44 Junior Train Controller

Location: 100 metres from what will be electrified railway in the next 5 years.
Its only going to be 3 metres or more right? I had a look on the EPRDA website and flicked through all the brochures but couldn't find much on how deep they're sinking it.
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
I personally think that should have stopped the Mandurah line at Rockingham for stage one, and used the money from the Mandurah section to sink the lines back then when they were already terminating Joondalup trains at Leederville. It would have been less disruption , but I guess thats not politics.
  MarcMS Station Master

The connection between the Fremantle line and the Clarkson line will not be removed. The tracks from all 4 main platforms (5/6/7/9) will merge to 2 tracks to the west which will dive over the SSR tunnel and to the south of the Clarkson line. The Fremantle line will then emerge from its tunnel at the same point that the Clarkson line does and will run above ground on the new alignment the rest of the way through to before Sutherland St. Everything west of the Horseshoe Bridge will be removed.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

I have looked at the proposal above, sinking under King St and emerging to a flat junction with the Joondalup line which stays where it is. Because of tunnel constraints, the railway can only sink about 3m so King St will hump over the line, there will be a very short section with no railway, not the whole yard as some people expect. The Perth Yard junction will need to be completely remodelled, including the overhead and the crossover in the dive which needs to be reversed. Challenging but not impossible.
Sinking the whole thing would require Roe St to be shut for a couple of years, freeway offramps to be closed for a year or so and chunks of Northbridge including the Chinatown gate, to be demolished.
The Kenwick link suddenly looks atractive.
WW
  fastrak44 Junior Train Controller

Location: 100 metres from what will be electrified railway in the next 5 years.
They need the Kenwick link bad! Even if it isn't electrified, they should at least join it to the freight lines. Also would save the track machines having to get trucked in and out during maintenance. If electrified it would provide services to the Canningvale and Jandakot area's. Though when you think of the Football, it’s a bit impractical.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

The Kenwick option was abandoned after the change of govt, which put the whole thing back 3 years, Canning Vale wanted a station and the town plan apparently allows for it. The incoming Minister changed the route for the benefit of "the workers" though many blue collars commute to Kewdale via Cannington rather than the CBD. Adding the Kenwick Link would provide additional travel options. Operationally, it just extends the Thornlie service. Footy trains from Cockburn and south could run direct to West Leedy. The Mandurak track is designed for a junction and the tunnel is there. The route does not see double stack so could be wired for mixed traffic as a stop gap.
WW
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
All,

From my experience of the Perth CBD, whilst this proposal is all fine and dandy from the point of view of the business leaders and movers and shakers in Perth, to me, the incredible amount of money being spent to simply appease the aesthetic sensibilities of those that find inner city rail lines offensive  Rolling Eyes  (Newcastle syndrome!) seems an awful waste, when it will offer no really substantial improvement to the operations of the Perth Rail network that I can see, or does it? Confused

How more effective would the funding be if put towards further enhancements to the suburban network or going towards saving the grain network?

Claims that the rail lines create a barrier between Perth CBD and Northbridge seem to be just hyperbole and purely aesthetic conjecture. One could contend St. Georges Terrace is as much as a barrier!

Cheers,
SZ
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

this is my MS Paint version of the work that is happening, as I have been looking at the latest draft of the engineering works this week.....



hopefully easy enough to understand, black is existing lines, red is new track, green is underground Mandurah/Joondalup line, blue is above ground Mandurah/Joondalup line, and grey is the current path of the Fremantle line....

haven't got an electronic copy of the engineering plans, otherwise i would put them up, would be a bit nicer than this sketch for sure!   Very Happy
  Centralvulcan Train Controller

Wonderful thread title - each time I see it I have a vision of the one operational Collins Class Sub sitting out in the Swan expending the Nations stock of torpedos on the unsuspecting bulk of Perth station.  Pity about the bits in between   Laughing
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

Pity Wayne Swan's budget money is going to a project that does not add any capacity to the network. Fine, it tidies up the city, but isn't this more about property development than improving rail?

If anyone has seen the overloaded state of the station car park at Clarkson these days, that would surely be enough evidence to extend to Butler urgently. I'm sure there are other worthy extensions to the Perth network that would get people out of their cars and on to public transport.

Of course it might also be a good idea ordering more trains now, as they take more than 3 years to arrive! Might be ready for the next boom.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Pity Wayne Swan's budget money is going to a project that does not add any capacity to the network. Fine, it tidies up the city, but isn't this more about property development than improving rail?

If anyone has seen the overloaded state of the station car park at Clarkson these days, that would surely be enough evidence to extend to Butler urgently. I'm sure there are other worthy extensions to the Perth network that would get people out of their cars and on to public transport.

Of course it might also be a good idea ordering more trains now, as they take more than 3 years to arrive! Might be ready for the next boom.
"Northmetro"


Thats what I think  Exclamation

There Is nothing In this project that benefits rail movements, In fact It may hinder train movements In the future  Question
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

I hope the designs for the temporary signalling between Stirling and Leederville were kept handy. They are going to need them again!

And another useful preliminary job would be to work out how to feed power to the Fremantle line when Perth yard is switched off.

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