Govt to review Mildura passenger service!

 
  lisa1 Banned

Location: Banned
When will this happen. By the way this is a new thread. It was announced today.

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  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I found the link...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/31/2641995.htm?site=news
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Passenger trains will return to Mildura this November.
  SAR T186 Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the next train to Seaford S.A
So will a n set be comfortable for such a long jounery? I know a first class seat will do the job fine, but sitting in a fixed seat in economy i don't know.
  pheonics The Gardener

Location: Meal room with a hot cuppa
Passenger trains will return to Mildura this November.
"LowndesJ515"


They sure will!
  Chris Brownbill Chief Commissioner

Passenger trains will return to Mildura this November.
"LowndesJ515"


They sure will!
"pheonics"


Steam hauled and all.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
As a once off special! Does the public realise it's a 4 day return trip?
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
As for the government announcement, this is simply the first step before they say they've studied it and determined that it's not financially viable. While I will be pleasantly surprised if the government returns passenger trains to Mildura, I can't see this happening.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Like Leongatha this is just another costly step in finally putting the thing to death .

Government appoints Consultant at great expense who produces a voluminous report (like Leongatha) that says it will cost too much and Government is better to upgrade Swan Hill track to Class-2 allowing loco hauled at 115kmh , coupled with increased frequency of train / coach service .

Government has far more pressing transport priorities than wasting millions $ on further Mildura track upgrade, when a perfectly good and faster train bus service can, and is already being run via Swan Hill .   QED.
  Brian 2009 Chief Commissioner

Location: N.S.W.
Gidday,
Because of the distance, is there any likelyhood of a service returning to be run overnight rather than through the day.
Just a thought.
  412M Assistant Commissioner

Yikes, something's a bit backwards, Mildura wants a regular pass service and it's given a steam hauled heritage train for 4 days!

The way the passenger services used to run to/from Mildura was to run them overnight, using the shed at Mildura to keep the cars very cool on hot days. I don't think that the government is that serious about returning passes to Mildura, as I saw in a WON that all tracks except for 1 road, 2 road and the road running through the car shed to the turntable have had their points secured and locked with an independent padlock, with the track being gradually removed.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Wilfy, it's too cost ineffective to run an overnight service. They wouldn't be making any money running it as a V'locity with 1 driver and 1 conductor. So add in the overhead of sleeper carriages, linen, buffet service, etc. and it won't ever get off the ground.

As Kuldalai correctly states, you can't kill it by just having peoples opinions of how it should be run. You actually need to commission an official report to prove it cant be done.
  PClark Chief Commissioner

Why the need for a feasability study?

Isn't the return of the Vinelander service an unequivocal policy of this government?

It certainly was in 1999 when the stalemate election result could only be resolved in favour of the ALP by the three independent members (Susan Davies, Craig Ingram and Russell Savage) voting against the Kennett government as a bloc.

Savage, the Member for Mildura and generally a conservative, apparently only agreed to be part of this bloc because Kennett would not agree to reinstatement of the Vinelander but Bracks would.
  Chris Brownbill Chief Commissioner

Why the need for a feasability study?

Isn't the return of the Vinelander service an unequivocal policy of this government?
"PClark"


I think you know you've answered your own question there Peter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Expect there could be a return of passenger services. This government will attempt to get as many rail projects up and running before the next election.  The revistalised V/Line organisation is getting airtime at premier and cabinet level, so expect more funding.

I believe V/Line has done a great job and will expand further over the next few years. Especially in Western Vic.

Regards
Brian
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

As Sir Humphrey said "Minister never commission a Study unless you know the outcome, beforehand ........."

Well in the case of Mildura Government already knows the outcome, so they commission a report .  That officially gives a stamp that it would be a financial doozie. Government can then like Leongatha walk a way with only collateral damage .

Report will say times have changed, too costly, alternative and faster services already available via Swan Hill.  

One cannot alter this fact - that even the existing train/coach via Swan Hill will always be faster than any direct train operating to Mildura via Donald even at 115 kmh on Class-2 track . Such a quality track would cost $ millions to upgrade from 80kmh (existing), and more importantly cost a fortune to maintain to that track standard as north of Donald the track runs over a very unstable sub base .

The Study like Leongatha (last year) is just a step (albeit it costly) to put the thing to death finally .
  lisa1 Banned

Location: Banned
Does 80 kph apply to freight traffic only, or can passenger services travel faster?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
There is still a lot of 40 km/h sections of the line even after the rail crews have been through.  

One wonders how much extra work would have been required to upgrade the track properly the first time instead of making it 80 km/h now and then higher speed later.   (Thinking about it now, I know why they didn't do it - they didn't want to!)
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
One cannot alter this fact - that even the existing train/coach via Swan Hill will always be faster than any direct train operating to Mildura via Donald even at 115 kmh on Class-2 track.
"kuldalai"

When was the combined service via Swan Hill introduced? After withdrawal of the full rail service, or more recently?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Does 80 kph apply to freight traffic only, or can passenger services travel faster?
"lisa1"


All trains

I will be Interesting to see If any further track work gets done to the Ballarat North - Maryborough
(I think not due to the curvy nature of the line, giving little chance to run above 80km/h anyway)
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Like Leongatha this is just another costly step in finally putting the thing to death .

Government appoints Consultant at great expense who produces a voluminous report (like Leongatha) that says it will cost too much and Government is better to upgrade Swan Hill track to Class-2 allowing loco hauled at 115kmh , coupled with increased frequency of train / coach service .

Government has far more pressing transport priorities than wasting millions $ on further Mildura track upgrade, when a perfectly good and faster train bus service can, and is already being run via Swan Hill .   QED.
"kuldalai"


Idea  You conveniently omitted Kuldalai that the locals are still strongly supportive of the train returning, unlike the south Gippsland populace.

The other point to consider is the Brumby government is still trying to govern and be inclusive of ALL Victorians, unlike the past Kennett administration.

As has been discussed ad nausem previously, the co-ordinated bus/train service does nothing to address the communities between Maryborough and Irymple on the Mildura line.

Sorry Kuldalai, ZH, and others who have advocated the non-expansion of the V/line pax rail service in regional Victoria. this project willl get up, as will others on other lines yet to be announced; it will not start though until the DDA compliances have been met at each station, AND Level crossing protection issues have been addressed at several important intersecting roads.

So I don't expect a return for at least 18 months to 3 years.

Mike.
  BGOTraveller Junior Train Controller

You all need to look at it from a drivers point What happened at the trailable point loop at Riggs Creek when it was in operation It had to be manned for passenger trains because Vline drivers will not travel straight through them they do not want trailable point Loops.

The new service to Marybrough is a classic example Sulky loop and Tourello loops to be straight railed and Talbot extended and signalled from a remote location (Maryborough, Ballarat or Centrol ?)

This is one of the main reasons you will not see a passenger train back on the Mildura Line not unless they signal the whole thing from a remote location and the cost far out ways the benefits that a train would bring so if you live in Mildura, Keep enjoying the Bus as it will not now change.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The new service to Marybrough is a classic example Sulky loop and Tourello loops to be straight railed and Talbot extended and signalled from a remote location (Maryborough, Ballarat or Centrol ?)
"BGOTraveller"

Thankfully the Mildura freight is down to 3 days a week - now they don't need any passing loops! Rolling Eyes
  sthyer Deputy Commissioner

You all need to look at it from a drivers point What happened at the trailable point loop at Riggs Creek when it was in operation It had to be manned for passenger trains because Vline drivers will not travel straight through them they do not want trailable point Loops.

"BGOTraveller"


AFAIK, there is no positive locking on trailable points, nor is there any track circuit detection to ensure the points are fully across. Ideally, they should be removed. There has been a freight derailed on the points at Sulky due to the points not re-setting fully from the previous train, the banner doesn't do a particularly good job of showing these kinds of faults.

Mikelander

Your comments are at odds with a DoT person I spoke with on this matter. He spoke as if he was surprised that I still thought that it might happen. I'll be pleased to see it but won't hold my breath.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

I was involved in looking at this a few years ago, the trailable points issue was big ticket, as most stations are at loops and up trains could not access the platform without running past and backing up. Obviously, the track condition was the other elephant in the room. This presents commercially undesirable running times. Track condition was far better than Leongatha where Kooweerup swamp had swallowed much of the formation.
WW

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