Hotham Valley Railway - Comments, Q & A

 
  QBB 2889 Locomotive Fireman

Has anyone got pictures of the C class running?

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  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's









I don't think colour schemes should be based on what the majority grew up on, if less people have seen the green and it is more historic, all the more reason to paint it that way.

I also? might add the orange and blue looks good on nothing.
"andrew1996"


...Orange and Blue has its place more than people think...

"WAGR_trains"


It's all well and good to say that, but it means nothing unless you provide an example.

"andrew1996"


Well thats fairly easy.

If you look at timelines, the green and red was used on locomotives from around 1962 (plain green was used prior to then) to 1975 - a period of 13 years - , then Westrail orange and blue was the standard from 1975 to 2000 - a period of 25 years.

These dates are only rough, but it does highlight that the Westrail orange and blue was around a lot longer than the green and red.

"crisfitz"


And, in fact, there are still several L class running around in the orange and blue. Off the top of my head I'm thinking L3113 and L3116, possibly L3118 as well?

"Tiny"
nothing wrong with your memory tiny as those 3 locos are still in westrail orange.
wal.

  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller


I've got something better than pictures of C1703 running, and being towed by R1902. I've got videos.



http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRYB86XiRtK1stzHZo05uAznOf1RCRuFe

  beechina Beginner

seen C 1703 in gemco rail yard today at midland  anyone know the reason she is their?? also anyone have any info on her up coming movements??
  HOWARAS Deputy Commissioner

Location: Woodanilling

Here is a photo of C1701 back in 2003, prior to it being repainted into the WAGR Green and Red.. In my opinion, the C's look great in both schemes and I agree, maybe one in green and one in orange. It would liven things up I believe.. eventually when G50 gets up and going, you add another historical colour scheme to the mix. Cheers Don


  Calla Station Master

Location: at the pub..... AWOL



I've got something better than pictures of C1703 running, and being towed by R1902. I've got videos.



http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRYB86XiRtK1stzHZo05uAznOf1RCRuFe

"Radzaarty"


Nice work Radzaarty!!!

I like the idea of one in orange/blue the other green and red also.

  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner




I've got something better than pictures of C1703 running, and being towed by R1902. I've got videos.



http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRYB86XiRtK1stzHZo05uAznOf1RCRuFe

"Radzaarty"


The Sunday Morning  trip coming down from Nowergup  had the same combo, but in reverse with the rail train. I have some vids/pics will upload them in due course... and I was surprised at how many people were out photgraphing it.

  Hotham Valley Junior Train Controller




seen C 1703 in gemco rail yard today at midland anyone know the reason she is their?? also anyone have any info on her up coming movements??

"beechina"


Dear Beechina, et al,

C1703 went into the Gemco Midland Depot for attention to a fault in the main generator which was dealt with yesterday (Wed 16/1/13) and the loco is now out shunting around the CSBP and Flashbutt area today, moving flatcars which are being lifted off rail for storeage. I understand there may be a little more of this tomorrow.

Regards,
Ian Willis

  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere

Just seen C 1703 going past Midland platform heading towards Forrestfield.

Heading back to Pinjarra??

  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle

Reading through my Christmas present to myself (A History of WAGR Passenger Carriages), it says that there is/was an AQM, a VC and an AQZ at HVR. Also, passing through there recently, I have seen a couple of brake vans shunted out of the shed at Dwellingup. Non of these above mentioned cars are listed on HVR's website (http://www.hothamvalleyrailway.com.au/rollingstock.htm) Does anyone have any current information on this rollingstock? Also, is there anything else hidden away in the carraige shed at Dwellingup not listed on the website?

Andrew

  WAGR Chief Commissioner




Reading through my Christmas present to myself (A History of WAGR Passenger Carriages), it says that there is/was an AQM, a VC and an AQZ at HVR. Also, passing through there recently, I have seen a couple of brake vans shunted out of the shed at Dwellingup. Non of these above mentioned cars are listed on HVR's website (http://www.hothamvalleyrailway.com.au/rollingstock.htm) Does anyone have any current information on this rollingstock? Also, is there anything else hidden away in the carraige shed at Dwellingup not listed on the website?

Andrew

"andrew1996"


Hi Andrew, as i recall the first piece of passenger rolling stock to arrive at the then PSHRPS/ HVR was a  AQM sleeping car its number  i think was 292, memory is a bit hazy. This was purchased by the Pinjarra lions club and donated to PSHRPS to provide overnight accomodation for out of town volunteers. This was about 1972. The second coach to arrive at Pinjarra was Dining Car AV426. This was purchased from WAGR by the then President John Arnold, Vice President Glenn Edge and Secretary Colin Tailor.

How ever, the stove in the Galley and the Overhead roof tank were in an unserviceable condition, unlike AV425 with the same were in good condition.

But the AV426 rebirth is another fascinating story of WAGR rolling stock preservation. Oh the stories of those days.

  warienga Chief Train Controller

Location: Perth

AQM 287 - last time I saw it, it was complete but in poor condition - the roof membrane had rotted letting the water flow freely through. Even the bogie springs had massive lamination. (292 is at Bassendean)

HVTR have a couple of AQZ's. One, 420, with fully enclosed end vestibules (for the "Mullewa") and the other ,424, with open end patforms partially sheeted in for protection from the weather  (for the Albany Progress). Both cars saw exensive used back when HVTR ran timber stock on long distance tours, both were in good condition and should still be seeing they have spent many years indoors.

I had alook at their VC, which was originally ACW 330, years ago in the back of the shed, and it too was in good condition, untouched since withdrawal from work train duty, still yellow.

  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
WAGR is correct on those early coaches for HVTR>These plus loco purchases soon after gave the preservation group substance to convince authority it had legs.The rest is history.See Roger Sallis "The Hotham Valley Railway","Rails to Pinjarra 100 2nd ed"Edited by John Arnold
  QBB 2889 Locomotive Fireman

Is Hotham Valley going to have any celebration events for the centenary of the Holyoake to Dwarda railway on the 8/8/2013? It would be great to possibly have that enthusiasts' day that is being proposed to be on that date Very Happy
  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
TGR cars sold: http://www.hothamvalleyrailway.com.au/new_page_9.htm Where/who to?
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller


Hello,

I was just thinking to myself about the acquisition of W 947. The question I have is, will it be W 947 that is returned to steam or W 908 that has been lingering in the shed for as long as I can remember?

Regards,

Radzaarty

  Hotham Valley Junior Train Controller




Hello,

I was just thinking to myself about the acquisition of W 947. The question I have is, will it be W 947 that is returned to steam or W 908 that has been lingering in the shed for as long as I can remember?

Regards,

Radzaarty

"Radzaarty"


Dear Radzaarty,

W908 was originally purchased by HVR as a source of 'spare parts' although was returned to service. Since its later withdrawl, W908 has been used for its originally intended purpose and has 'donated' several key components to other locos including some side rods, springs and so on.

Although there are no immediate plans, it would seem most probable that W947 would be progressed as soon as practical to do so. However it is possible that the boiler from W908 or possibly W947 could be fitted to W903.

W945 will be the next W class back into service to give stallwart W920 some relief, as soon as we can manage it.

Regards,
Ian Willis  

  sam6778 Locomotive Driver

Location: Rockingham, WA
G'day Ian, would it be possible to shed some light as to what's happening to the ex TGR carriages now they've sold? I'm hoping they have a future use and not scrap. Cheers
  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle



G'day Ian, would it be possible to shed some light as to what's happening to the ex TGR carriages now they've sold? I'm hoping they have a future use and not scrap. Cheers

"sam6778"


And all but two of the SAR cars now as well.

  Hotham Valley Junior Train Controller




G'day Ian, would it be possible to shed some light as to what's happening to the ex TGR carriages now they've sold? I'm hoping they have a future use and not scrap. Cheers

"sam6778"


Dear sam6788,

All 5 available Tasmanian cars have been purchased by a private person for a small accomodation developemnt in the south west. The purchaser has a preference to keep the project a bit under the radar until everything comes together. I understand the concept is to include interpretive and rail history information including the odd photo within the carriages to provide an interesting uniqueness for guests.

As a matter of co-incidence, two of the sold AH vehicles will be residing in the next/previous town as part of a private residence with one of the vehicles being utilised as a model railway layout facility.

Regards,
Ian

  Jarroo Chief Commissioner




Oh no!! , not one of Mr Vellacott's ex South African third class wide vision window coaches funded by the WA Govt. resorting to someone's private model railway coach .

"Jarroo"


Anyone know how many of these South African Coaches have been sold by HVTR ?

  Jarroo Chief Commissioner






Oh no!! , not one of Mr Vellacott's ex South African third class wide vision window coaches funded by the WA Govt. resorting to someone's private model railway coach .

"Jarroo"


Anyone know how many of these South African Coaches have been sold by HVTR ?

"Jarroo"


found this on Wikepedia, so not sure how accurate.

Riverland carriages

In 1987 Hotham Valley Railway acquired 25 second hand large Corten steel carriages from the South African Railways. Hotham Valley was expanding its mainline operations considerably and the Westrail owned carriages then in use on Hotham Valley's rail tours were no longer appropriate due to their age and other limitations.

The new fleet were converted into various types (including first and second class cars with and without guards compartments, buffet and dining cars) from SAR sleeping cars and all had been originally constructed during the 1960s and 70s. All of the cars were converted and refurbished prior to their shipment to Western Australia.

In Hotham Valley service the cars were painted in Green and Cream livery with Mustard roofs, reminiscent of the original WAGR colour scheme applied between the late 1950s and the mid-1970s. The cars all received names of Western Australian rivers (with the exception of AHF311 which was named Bloemfontein for the city where the cars were converted) and were given class designations and numbers in keeping with Westrail practise. The classes, names and numbers are listed in the table below.

3 xAHA - First Class with Guards Compartment (56 seat) numbers 301,302,303 - Ashburton, Murray, Fitzroy
3 xAHB - First Class Buffet (28 Seat) numbers 304, 305, 306 - Greenough, Gascoyne, Fortescue
1 x AHD -Dining - number 307 - Serpentine
3 x AHE - Tourist Economy class with Guards Compartment (64 seat) - numbers 308,309,310 Kalgan, Coongan, Chapman
7 x AHF - First Class (56 seat) numbers 311-317 - Bloemfontein, Avon, Brunswick, Denmark, Murchison Lunenburg
7 x AHT - Tourist Economy Class - 320-326 - Harvey, Irwin, Preston, Blackwood, Mortlock, Canning, Dale
1 x AHL - Lounge - Hotham
1 x AHG - Galley

Total 26

  Tiny Train Controller

Location: Kalgoorlie







Oh no!! , not one of Mr Vellacott's ex South African third class wide vision window coaches funded by the WA Govt. resorting to someone's private model railway coach .

"Jarroo"


Anyone know how many of these South African Coaches have been sold by HVTR ?

"Jarroo"


found this on Wikepedia, so not sure how accurate.

Riverland carriages

In 1987 Hotham Valley Railway acquired 25 second hand large Corten steel carriages from the South African Railways. Hotham Valley was expanding its mainline operations considerably and the Westrail owned carriages then in use on Hotham Valley's rail tours were no longer appropriate due to their age and other limitations.

The new fleet were converted into various types (including first and second class cars with and without guards compartments, buffet and dining cars) from SAR sleeping cars and all had been originally constructed during the 1960s and 70s. All of the cars were converted and refurbished prior to their shipment to Western Australia.

In Hotham Valley service the cars were painted in Green and Cream livery with Mustard roofs, reminiscent of the original WAGR colour scheme applied between the late 1950s and the mid-1970s. The cars all received names of Western Australian rivers (with the exception of AHF311 which was named Bloemfontein for the city where the cars were converted) and were given class designations and numbers in keeping with Westrail practise. The classes, names and numbers are listed in the table below.

3 xAHA - First Class with Guards Compartment (56 seat) numbers 301,302,303 - Ashburton, Murray, Fitzroy
3 xAHB - First Class Buffet (28 Seat) numbers 304, 305, 306 - Greenough, Gascoyne, Fortescue
1 x AHD -Dining - number 307 - Serpentine
3 x AHE - Tourist Economy class with Guards Compartment (64 seat) - numbers 308,309,310 Kalgan, Coongan, Chapman
7 x AHF - First Class (56 seat) numbers 311-317 - Bloemfontein, Avon, Brunswick, Denmark, Murchison Lunenburg
7 x AHT - Tourist Economy Class - 320-326 - Harvey, Irwin, Preston, Blackwood, Mortlock, Canning, Dale
1 x AHL - Lounge - Hotham
1 x AHG - Galley

Total 26

"Jarroo"


Except that I think there were only 6 AHF cars, I believe there was no 313(?) because there was already a coach numbered 313 running around the system at that stage (one of the commisioners cars, or the vice regal coach?)

Total of 25.

  Jarroo Chief Commissioner






Oh no!! , not one of Mr Vellacott's ex South African third class wide vision window coaches funded by the WA Govt. resorting to someone's private model railway coach .

"Jarroo"


Anyone know how many of these South African Coaches have been sold by HVTR ?

"Jarroo"


from the HVTR website

Sold South African coaches (25 originally purchased - 12 now remain at HVTR):

4 coaches sold to PacNat - AHB 306, AHB 307, AHF 316 + AH? ???
2 coaches sold privately without bogies AHF 317, AHF313
7 coaches sold privately with bogies (2 still to be sold)

+ 5 'SS' Tasmanian coaches sold

18 coaches sold in total by HVTR



  Hotham Valley Junior Train Controller








Oh no!! , not one of Mr Vellacott's ex South African third class wide vision window coaches funded by the WA Govt. resorting to someone's private model railway coach .

"Jarroo"


Anyone know how many of these South African Coaches have been sold by HVTR ?

"Jarroo"


from the HVTR website

Sold South African coaches (25 originally purchased - 12 now remain at HVTR):

4 coaches sold to PacNat - AHB 306, AHB 307, AHF 316 + AH? ???
2 coaches sold privately without bogies AHF 317, AHF313
7 coaches sold privately with bogies (2 still to be sold)

+ 5 'SS' Tasmanian coaches sold

18 coaches sold in total by HVTR



"Jarroo"


Dear All,

The above information is inaccurate and certainly NOT from the HVR website.

For those interested and the Record;

South African coaches (25 originally purchased):

1 badly damaged by on-train fire at Nth Dandalup in 2000? and body later sold privately. AHE 310.
Bogies overhauled and now fitted to recently aquired PGA power Van.

4 coaches sold to PacNat - AHB 306, AHD 307, AHF 316, AHL 319.
2 coaches sold privately without bogies AHF 317, AHF315 (there was never a 313, just like US multi-storey buildings)
5 coaches with bogies reserved until 31/5/2013 by purchase option deed with comercial operator.

4 x 'SS' and 1 x 'SSS' Tasmanian coaches sold. Bogies to WCWR and bodies to local private property developer.

11 coaches sold in total by HVTR
5 up for sale but reserved on sale option.
2 x AHT available without bogies but may be retained by HVR complete.
Potentialy 18 vehicles may be sold by HVR.

Regards,
Ian Willis

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