Hotham Valley Railway - Comments, Q & A

 
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
To see how the Anzac trains in NZ towns are  progressing go to the RP Forum index>International>NZ and Oceana>heritage and history.NZ is proud of its Anzac legend WW1
This is a most useful link for comparisons.I know that HVR is not the lead agent for the WA commem,but its rolling stock will feature.Liabilty insurance must have been arranged ?
HVR back on main line again a feature,hope it is the way back into corporate promotions providing extra revenue for HVR.
who knows ?

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  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Please find below links to our ANZAC special service Friday 31st October.

We are proud to be a part of this special 100th anniversary celebration.



https://www.facebook.com/hothamvalleyrailway


https://www.flickr.com/photos/127139902@N03/15405681017/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127139902@N03/15405681187/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127139902@N03/15405681127/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127139902@N03/15405680897/
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Having difficulty finding a little more information about this service so I thought I'd throw it out there to the learned RPA

Will this special backtrack over its 'outbound' journey upon departing Freo?

Are times for the complete heritage rail service available?

Looking to get a couple of happy snaps along the route of what I gather is a rare occurrence in metropolitan Perth

Thank you
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Having difficulty finding a little more information about this service so I thought I'd throw it out there to the learned RPA

Will this special backtrack over its 'outbound' journey upon departing Freo?

Are times for the complete heritage rail service available?

Looking to get a couple of happy snaps along the route of what I gather is a rare occurrence in metropolitan Perth

Thank you
gw0071

Hi gw0071,

Here is a link to the official event page.

10am departure from Midland with a Fremantle ETA some 50 minutes later.

I believe once in Fremantle, and at the conclusion of formalities, the consist will proceed forward (South) out of the PTA network and back to Pinjarra - not back tracking.

http://www.anzacfremantle.com.au/Events/2/1914_wa_diggers_depart_blackboy_hill_to_fremantle_and_beyond
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Hey Burt - thanks for the response

So I'm guessing that the special will continue south through The Esplanade if it's not reversing?

I'm not overly familiar with the Perth rail network but from what I understand this section is dual gauge - last I noticed only the standard gauge had shiny rails. Is it still narrow gauge compliant?
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Hey Burt - thanks for the response

So I'm guessing that the special will continue south through The Esplanade if it's not reversing?

I'm not overly familiar with the Perth rail network but from what I understand this section is dual gauge - last I noticed only the standard gauge had shiny rails. Is it still narrow gauge compliant?
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Hey Burt - thanks for the response

So I'm guessing that the special will continue south through The Esplanade if it's not reversing?

I'm not overly familiar with the Perth rail network but from what I understand this section is dual gauge - last I noticed only the standard gauge had shiny rails. Is it still narrow gauge compliant?
gw0071

Yes it is still dual gauge there....
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
On a recent troll through Goggle Earth of Dwellingup station area,I notice the triangle does not appear to still be there;In other words has it been decommissioned ?
Further are locos not turned there as well as at the Alumina Jn anymore.
As the Pinjarra Mains  triangle doesn't permit HVR to have access,are there plans to obtain an older triangle set for future HVR operations and where likely to be at  ?
  BHPDash8 Station Master

On a recent troll through Goggle Earth of Dwellingup station area,I notice the triangle does not appear to still be there;In other words has it been decommissioned ?
Further are locos not turned there as well as at the Alumina Jn anymore.
As the Pinjarra Mains  triangle doesn't permit HVR to have access,are there plans to obtain an older triangle set for future HVR operations and where likely to be at  ?
jayrail


The triangle at Dwellingup is still there. The trees might be covering it. We can turn locomotives at Dwellingup, but we don't. Last I heard a part of the track is damaged. Currently the three South African coaches from the ANZAC train are sitting in the triangle. There are no plans to obtain an older triangle for use at Pinjarra, because for the foreseeable future we won't be running any trains out of Pinjarra or on the main line.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...


The triangle at Dwellingup is still there. The trees might be covering it. We can turn locomotives at Dwellingup, but we don't. Last I heard a part of the track is damaged. Currently the three South African coaches from the ANZAC train are sitting in the triangle. There are no plans to obtain an older triangle for use at Pinjarra, because for the foreseeable future we won't be running any trains out of Pinjarra or one the main line.
"BHPDash8"


A tree root has raised a section of rail on the triangle in Dwellingup - not impossible to fix by any means - just not a priority at the moment.

Google Earth photo's can be quite old in places too.......
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
Ref the old Pinjarra yards triangle;who owns that land now?  HVTR 's Pinjarra rails both side of the main are on whose land?and what does the Society have to pay for the  space etc?PDC once had some links when it built the restructured HVTR station.I understand the Tourist Bureau has vacated the old station precinct, moved to its old town site. Interesting to know how the loss of the Pinjarra transfers has now affected the current HVTR operations and servicing .Perhaps I may have missed updates here on PSX> Thanks.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
I recently read in Forum "Preservation and tourist Railways",in a matter of needing more non- NSW rail news compared to other states,that WA news is in short supply. Reading this WA forum ,there is plenty of activity with HVR>I noted chrisfitz commented that HVR is hoping to open up access back from Alumina Jn to Pinjarra stn.
Is there a possibility for HVR to link up to its former main station >hope so.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
I recently read in Forum "Preservation and tourist Railways",in a matter of needing more non- NSW rail news compared to other states,that WA news is in short supply. Reading this WA forum ,there is plenty of activity with HVR>I noted chrisfitz commented that HVR is hoping to open up access back from Alumina Jn to Pinjarra stn.
Is there a possibility for HVR to link up to its former main station >hope so.
jayrail
Access to Pinjarra/Alumina Junction section?

Not in the short or medium term John..... developing Isandra's infrastructure is a much higher priority.
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
I recently read in Forum "Preservation and tourist Railways",in a matter of needing more non- NSW rail news compared to other states,that WA news is in short supply. Reading this WA forum ,there is plenty of activity with HVR>I noted chrisfitz commented that HVR is hoping to open up access back from Alumina Jn to Pinjarra stn.
Is there a possibility for HVR to link up to its former main station >hope so.
jayrail
Hi John,

Sorry mate - never made that comment. Not sure where you saw that. I'd suggest that its highly unlikely that they could return to running to Pinjarra under the current access agreements. As burt007 says - there are much more pressing issues.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
I've never really understood why it is so hard or expensive to get access rights for a few km of track. Or why it takes squilions of dollars to get access to the main line.  Has HVR ever had any major incidents?  Are they likely to have an incident?  Or is it just down to the same old problem of litigation killing all the fun stuff.  Sorry for starting to rant, this sort of thing really gets me grumpy quickly.

On another note, does HVR get any assistance from the Shire of Murray?  When you drive into Pinjarra, you go past a sign that says Welcome to the Shire of Murray, Steam Train Country and yet the steam trains are now isolated to track in an out of the way place. Perhaps the shire could help HVR negotiate access to that few km of track.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
I like Kafoopsky comments re Pinjarra Steam train Country sign;very pleasing the Shire  when  it took this Logo  attitude years ago ; councillors were always supportive of HVR in the formation days 40 years ago.The Tourist Centre was also happy when HVR started journeys at the  Station .Whats PDC attitude re funding of return to the Main?
Of course even if the main was approved ,will the HVR Board  run with it, or is  the restructure at the Junction-Dwellingup  working well enough?
  Hotham Valley Junior Train Controller

I've never really understood why it is so hard or expensive to get access rights for a few km of track. Or why it takes squilions of dollars to get access to the main line.  Has HVR ever had any major incidents?  Are they likely to have an incident?  Or is it just down to the same old problem of litigation killing all the fun stuff.  Sorry for starting to rant, this sort of thing really gets me grumpy quickly.

On another note, does HVR get any assistance from the Shire of Murray?  When you drive into Pinjarra, you go past a sign that says Welcome to the Shire of Murray, Steam Train Country and yet the steam trains are now isolated to track in an out of the way place. Perhaps the shire could help HVR negotiate access to that few km of track.
Kafoopsy

Dear All,

The whole Main Line thing is a BIG DEAL these days and there is plenty of explanation on earlier pages within this thread so please don't expect too much further response to queries and theorys on the subject of HVR returning to the main line.

The saying is never say never, and we don't - plus any disposals, aquisition oportunities or other material changes always have this strategicaly factored in. However, the likelihood of anything in the distant forseeable future is pretty much non-existant.

The local Shire are not un-suportive and indeed provide a number of concessions relating to the lands we use at Pinjarra and Rates at all our locations. Their support abilities are limited, LGA's have other obligations and expectations on them they must give priority to.

There are no unreasonable barriers to HVR obtaining Track Access, Brookfield Rail have always been very suportive, willing and easy to deal with. The issues are simply the commercial, compliance and insurance necessities and realities that exist in todays environment.

Best Regards,
Ian Willis
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
fair answer.good update.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
I'm not sure how many WA Railpage viewers also follow our Facebook page, so here is a small update for you all......

A steam "start date" for 2015 is Mothers Day - Sunday the 10th May.







More photos on our Facebook page... Smile

http://www.facebook.com/hothamvalleyrailway

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