Shepparton to SG after Albury, then Seymour locals

 
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I am responding to a post I have seen somewhere else.


*** THE RUMOR IS AS THIS

++The Shepparton line will be done next year, straight after the Albury SG project is complete

++Once the Shepparton line is done, then the Seymour Locals will be done.


*** What I want to ask is....

How official would these be?

If so, how soon could we expect the Shepparton line to be closed?
And, how soon now for the Albury line to be completed?

What about SRHC at Seymour?

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  pheonics The Gardener

Location: Meal room with a hot cuppa
This is false, There is too short of notice & no media releases to warrant this. Once there is a media release & a massive hoo-har about it, that is when you know it is true! Wink

I can see it going Gauge within the next 10 years.
  r707 Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
I have a strange feeling the post referred to is mine. I'll clarify:

While I did hear from an unknown source about Shepparton being next (although NOT any time soon, simply before any other line), the Seymour locals being converted was pure speculation on my part, and no official report has ever mentioned it. From a logic standpoint as I said in my other post though, it's the logical next choice.

What SRHC do once the line is entirely SG is unknown. I could see the S cars and some of the locos being gauge converted without major hassles, but could E cars?
  712M Chief Commissioner

Standard Gauge VLocities anyone?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Sounds like we gauge convert the network and be done with it. anyone care to donate a few billion to the gov't to make it happen.

why would you gauge convert shep anyways? would there be some obvious benefits i cant see right now?
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Sounds like we gauge convert the network and be done with it. anyone care to donate a few billion to the gov't to make it happen.

why would you gauge convert shep anyways? would there be some obvious benefits i cant see right now?
"Galron"


Many level crossings are dual gauge now. (Not all, but many are) ...


... extension of passenger services to Tocumwal ?
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Sounds like we gauge convert the network and be done with it. anyone care to donate a few billion to the gov't to make it happen.

why would you gauge convert shep anyways? would there be some obvious benefits i cant see right now?
"Galron"


Many level crossings are dual gauge now. (Not all, but many are) ...


... extension of passenger services to Tocumwal ?
"574M"
You can have a service to Toc now.... I thinking the main benifit of gauge conversion up the Valley line would be an alternative route to Sydney...
  Loco Administrator Railpage 2 Developer

Location: Melbourne
Sounds like we gauge convert the network and be done with it. anyone care to donate a few billion to the gov't to make it happen.

why would you gauge convert shep anyways? would there be some obvious benefits i cant see right now?
"Galron"


Many level crossings are dual gauge now. (Not all, but many are) ...


... extension of passenger services to Tocumwal ?
"574M"
You can have a service to Toc now.... I thinking the main benifit of gauge conversion up the Valley line would be an alternative route to Sydney...
"fast01"


[plug]There is a service to Tocumwal now, it only runs sometimes though. The next one is on the 12th of December - http://www.srhc.org.au/tours.php?action=display&id=48 [/plug]
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Although the Shepparton line and the cross country line to Echuca is certainly in the government report and flagged for conversion, would it not be more valuable to convert the Mount Gambier and surounding lines to SG first?

Mineral Sands traffic in Western and North Westernb Victoria is really suiffering from a lack of SG rail access.  Mildura and Mount Gambier next including Wosley and Ouyen to Pinaroo.

As for Seymour to Melbourne, I would not think this would happen for a very very long time. There is no where to run them into Spencer Street.

--Bill
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
[plug]There is a service to Tocumwal now, it only runs sometimes though. The next one is on the 12th of December - http://www.srhc.org.au/tours.php?action=display&id=48 [/plug]
"Loco"
Sneaky Bugger!  Brilliant!  Wink
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
You can have a service to Toc now.... I thinking the main benefit of gauge conversion up the Valley line would be an alternative route to Sydney...
"fast01"


That got knocked on the head recently, and produced much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the region, as they had worked hard to lobby for the Inland rail corridor. Unfortunately, ARTC have made their choice; via Albury and Coota.
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Well once they have something come off in a big way north of Seymour, they'll soon realise that the Alternate route would be a very valuable piece of infrastructure...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Do you really think they'd learn from something like that?
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Back on Topic Shocked

The Murchison bypass goes over the railway line as many of you know.  

When it was being constructed, I was told by one of the workers that it was deliberately wider to allow construction of another line. Standard gauge was mentioned by the construction crew ...
  Athol Chief Train Controller

Location: Within sight of the Newcastle St bridge over the Main North, Cardiff NSW
Well once they have something come off in a big way north of Seymour, they'll soon realise that the Alternate route would be a very valuable piece of infrastructure...
"fast01"

The most obvious alternate route is already being converted to SG...  The Benalla to Oaklands line could be connected to the disused Oaklands to The Rock line.  Upgrade that and there's your alternate route...
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Well once they have something come off in a big way north of Seymour, they'll soon realise that the Alternate route would be a very valuable piece of infrastructure...
"fast01"


Could just as easily happen south of Seymour too though...
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If there is any further SG conversion in Victoria then a lot more money will need to be invested in yard conversions and better SG access to Southern Cross.  There is simply not enough SG siding space in Melbourne and around the state for that matter.

--Bill
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Well once they have something come off in a big way north of Seymour, they'll soon realise that the Alternate route would be a very valuable piece of infrastructure...
"fast01"


Could just as easily happen south of Seymour too though...
"Ballast_Plough"
And thats where if it does happen south of Seymour, they are screwed each and every way.

I did however, completely forget about the Oaklands line.  Embarassed
  MOM Chief Commissioner

Location: here, there, everywhere....
[quote="fast01"][quote="Ballast_Plough"][quote="fast01"]snip

I did however, completely forget about the Oaklands line. Embarassed[/quote]

Hasn't the NSW side of Oaklands been abandoned?

It's purely a one way line.
  Toddy Train Controller

[quote="MOM"][quote="fast01"][quote="Ballast_Plough"][quote="fast01"]snip

I did however, completely forget about the Oaklands line. Embarassed[/quote]

Hasn't the NSW side of Oaklands been abandoned?

It's purely a one way line.[/quote]Yes it has been and if you read the NSW Grain Freight Report which has just come out the future of the remaining section in NSW from The Rock to Boree Creek doesn't look good either..
  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
What possible purpose is served by guage converting to Shepparton.
Makes about as much sense as guage converting to warnambool or to swan Hill.
  Athol Chief Train Controller

Location: Within sight of the Newcastle St bridge over the Main North, Cardiff NSW
I did however, completely forget about the Oaklands line.  Embarassed
"fast01"


Hasn't the NSW side of Oaklands been abandoned?
"MOM"

Has it been officially "closed", complete with legislation, or is it "suspended" and hence still legally preserved?
  Mel Deputy Commissioner

Do you really think they'd learn from something like that?
"Valvegear"


Unless traffic in that area warrants it and it can pay for the cost of even just having the line open, no.

What possible purpose is served by guage converting to Shepparton.
Makes about as much sense as guage converting to warnambool or to swan Hill.
"MD"


The whole of Victoria should be converted eventually I would think.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Wow, your joking. SG to Shepparton. The demise of the 5 foot 3 seems to be happening, even though it may not. Why can't we keep our own track that's in our state, like the old Albury line. Why don't they make it fully dual gauge, like they should for the Melbourne - Adelaide mainline, from beyond Ararat. This made the Victor Harbor railway isolated. I just don't get how we don't get to keep our own gauge of railway track. If this keeps continuing, just make the all the 5 foot 3 tracks into SG, even though I hope i never happens.
"2008godforbid"


Because the entire BG Victorian network is essentially isolated. Standard Gauge is the standard (funny name for a gauge, right?  Razz ) almost everywhere else in Australia. To make the freight network competitive and even viable, most lines will, unfortunately for a whole host of reasons, need to be gauge converted. Perhaps that's the only way PN will be enticed back to Victoria, as much as PN have zero interest in running trains in Victoria.

DG is not a viable option, due to the SG 80km/h limit on DG lines. Let alone the extremely expensive points and other track work, from both a construction and maintenance point of view... And of course the other reasons mentioned earlier.

As bad as it would be from a preservation viewpoint, it is going to happen, eventually.

Wolfpac
  tery84_trainee Assistant Commissioner

i dont think there is a speed restriction for sg trains on duel gauge if anything it would be a restriction on bg because of the risk of somthing getting jammed in betwen the bg and sg rail but i may be wrong.

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