Bunbury "MagLev" Train

 
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

Two proposals are being considered for the replacement of the current "AUSTRALIND" One is for a fast train of speeds up to 160KMH the other is for a  faster MagLev train with speeds up to 500kmh. The Maglev would have a overall journey time of 30mins. The replacement of the current train is not envisaged to take place for a further ten years.

Source Local Newspapers.

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  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
my money is on the 160 kph rail car. extension of the mandurah line, then it can be electrified later on, so bunbury is a part of perth transit, many many years to come tho.. Maglev is a whole new system, and expensive, given the small patronage. A diesel railcar would be better. besides, riding on big magnets, doesnt sound healthy. . . i recon when the railway goes from perth to bunbury up the freeway, we will see the 'C" series railcar, a really quick one.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
my money is on the 160 kph rail car. extension of the mandurah line, then it can be electrified later on, so bunbury is a part of perth transit, many many years to come tho.. Maglev is a whole new system, and expensive, given the small patronage. A diesel railcar would be better. besides, riding on big magnets, doesnt sound healthy. . . i recon when the railway goes from perth to bunbury up the freeway, we will see the 'C" series railcar, a really quick one.
"DBclass"


Yep - extending the current system will be the way to go.....

Perth's population is way too small for a magic "Mag-Lev" train.

Plus today's politicians don't look or plan ahead that far......they have three or maybe ten year plans - if that. The days of C Y Oconnor (or equiv) planning 20 to 30 years ahead today are long gone.
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

my money is on the 160 kph rail car. extension of the mandurah line, then it can be electrified later on, so bunbury is a part of perth transit, many many years to come tho.. Maglev is a whole new system, and expensive, given the small patronage. A diesel railcar would be better. besides, riding on big magnets, doesnt sound healthy. . . i recon when the railway goes from perth to bunbury up the freeway, we will see the 'C" series railcar, a really quick one.
"DBclass"


Interesting part is that there are major design factor problems in incorporating the new Bunbury hwy reserve for use of a fast train service that is 160kph.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
my money is on the 160 kph rail car. extension of the mandurah line, then it can be electrified later on, so bunbury is a part of perth transit, many many years to come tho.. Maglev is a whole new system, and expensive, given the small patronage. A diesel railcar would be better. besides, riding on big magnets, doesnt sound healthy. . . i recon when the railway goes from perth to bunbury up the freeway, we will see the 'C" series railcar, a really quick one.
"DBclass"


Interesting part is that there are major design factor problems in incorporating the new Bunbury hwy reserve for use of a fast train service that is 160kph.
"WAGR"


I echo my previous post - I guarantee the highway was built with absolutely no further development in mind......i.e. build road first keep voters happy......railway? The government in 10 years can worry about that....
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

Would be interesting to see how many people use the Australind each day, especially with the new highway....?
What is wrong with refurbishing the existing one when the time comes to replace it?
The HST's in the UK still operate at the top rail speed allowable of 125mph (200km/h) and were introduced in 1976
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Would be interesting to see how many people use the Australind each day, especially with the new highway....?
What is wrong with refurbishing the existing one when the time comes to replace it?
The HST's in the UK still operate at the top rail speed allowable of 125mph (200km/h) and were introduced in 1976
"Jarroo"


I suspect that only 2 of the four cars in the Australind are actually being used at the moment. Although they run four, i only see people in the Perth side two cars.

And while i prefer rail, the new highway is ace. I priced a trip on the prospector, and i can drive there cheaper with a lot of coin in my pocket left over. But then i view a 4 hour drive or so a lazy sunday afternoon so... I see the Australind as a dying service. sad to say.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

As a previous user of the Australind to go further south until they did away with the bus connection, it was a very pleasant ride, comfortable with a beer in hand. Later, I used the Mandurah service, picking up the Westrail  or SW bus which saved an hour on going via East Perth. It was often 4 cars and was well used. A couple of issues were the number of stations especially Cookernup, which had one regular user who drove to the station and could just have easily gone to Harvey. The train provided a commuter service including journeys as far as Harvey. A key issue was the need to share the track from Armadale, the Australind did not have priority and following an all stations did not give rise to fast running or good punctuality. The line beyond Mundijong can approach capacity and the journey could be slow if crossings were involved. Picton to Brunswick was single and particularly problematic.
There is no corridor through Mandurah for a simple extension, the line would have to branch off near Lakelands and use the Highway median, though some grade separation would be required at road crossings south of the new section. This could link to the old route terminating back in the CBD, probably near the silos if they don't want to reinstate the original station.
There have been a number of studies into the route. A high quality service would see an overall growth in travel to and from Bunbury, you only have to look at Mandurah which used to have a couple of dozen commuters. Level crossings would limit speeds to 160 k/h, get rid of them and run at over 200 and you are getting close to the magic hour and Bunbury enters the commuter belt.
All it needs is political will, a rare commodity.
WW
  62440 Chief Commissioner

As a previous user of the Australind to go further south until they did away with the bus connection, it was a very pleasant ride, comfortable with a beer in hand. Later, I used the Mandurah service, picking up the Westrail  or SW bus which saved an hour on going via East Perth. It was often 4 cars and was well used. A couple of issues were the number of stations especially Cookernup, which had one regular user who drove to the station and could just have easily gone to Harvey. The train provided a commuter service including journeys as far as Harvey. A key issue was the need to share the track from Armadale, the Australind did not have priority and following an all stations did not give rise to fast running or good punctuality. The line beyond Mundijong can approach capacity and the journey could be slow if crossings were involved. Picton to Brunswick was single and particularly problematic.
There is no corridor through Mandurah for a simple extension, the line would have to branch off near Lakelands and use the Highway median, though some grade separation would be required at road crossings south of the new section. This could link to the old route terminating back in the CBD, probably near the silos if they don't want to reinstate the original station.
There have been a number of studies into the route. A high quality service would see an overall growth in travel to and from Bunbury, you only have to look at Mandurah which used to have a couple of dozen commuters. Level crossings would limit speeds to 160 k/h, get rid of them and run at over 200 and you are getting close to the magic hour and Bunbury enters the commuter belt.
All it needs is political will, a rare commodity.
WW
  Southwest Locomotive Fireman

What? Isn’t there any bus connection with the Australind anymore? That’s weird. The Australind is just not what people look for in a service anymore; it’s slow, infrequent and outdated. As much as I love the Australind whenever I go on it realistically the only people that use it are pensioners and young people with student concessions (including myself) and the early morning departure from Bunbury just doesn’t seem to be a sacrifice people are willing to make to take the train. A fast train like they are proposing would mean the end for the Australind, the only sad thing is that it wouldn’t service the towns along the southwest mainline anymore... Maybe we should do what Queensland does and provide more of a tourist market to regional towns like Gero to Albany via Perth or Gero to Bunno via Southwest main and leave the public transport to the new corridor. As for a Maglev, pfft as if Rolling Eyes
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
I think someone threw a MagLev train into the equation, just so they couldnt be accused of not considering other options.
If the east coast cant get a TGV style trin operating from Sydney to Melbourne, then we have no hope of a MagLev to Bunbury.

For a train to Bunbury to be a viable option, in my mind a few things need serious consideration.
1 - A return to the Bunbury CBD (I think this is already under consideration anyway). This would also enable the possibility of a small Bunbury suburban service (1 car deisels could do this)

2 - Additional Trackage. In the Perth network this would mean at least triplication of which ever route was used (Armadale or Mandurah) otherwise the SW trains will always be reduced to following Metros and this will never make the trip faster than a car.
I personally believe even if the route is take from Mandurah, the Pinjarra route should not be abandoned, rather expanded with more frequency, which would mean duplication of the existing freight line. I cant see why both routes couldnt co-exist.

Just my thought
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

Well when one reads all. it appears to be of People in Perth commuting to Bunbury to work and people in Bunbury commuting to Perth to work. It maybe something like some time back where the Newcastle Flyer carried  working people between Newcastle and Sydney. But the Maglev is to me a very interesting proposal considering that the whole system upgrade is ten years away, and a lot can happen in ten years with population expansion
  westaussie Junior Train Controller

Location: Eastern Goldfieds
Two proposals are being considered for the replacement of the current "AUSTRALIND" One is for a fast train of speeds up to 160KMH the other is for a  faster MagLev train with speeds up to 500kmh. The Maglev would have a overall journey time of 30mins. The replacement of the current train is not envisaged to take place for a further ten years.
Wow 500 km/h between Perth and Bunbury. You wouldn't even sit down before it time to leave the train.
Source Local Newspapers.
"WAGR"
  62440 Chief Commissioner

What? Isn’t there any bus connection with the Australind anymore? That’s weird.
"Southwest"

The pm train used to meet the Augusta bus which left Perth over an hour before the Australind and at Bunbury there was a 3m walk to the bus which left straight away. The connection is not there now even though the last time I did it, the bus was late and met the train, not impressive when my other half had driven from Dunsborough to pick me up. I was able to complain at the highest level in person to no avail. From then on, I met the same bus at Mandurah which cut 90 minutes off my journey as opposed to going to East Perth.
WW
  node09 Junior Train Controller

A magmev train in Perth, that is laughable. I think that idea is just a little bit too revolutionary for Perth people and Perth politicians to be able to handle. We live 20 years behind the rest of Austtralia and the world, that's just the way Perth people like it, wrapped up in their little cocoons, safe and sound away from the rest of the big, bad world outside.

By the way the fastest maglev train in the world is in Shanghai, China and it has a max speed of 430km/h. I don't know where the OP got the 500km/h figure from............
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
A magmev train in Perth, that is laughable. I think that idea is just a little bit too revolutionary for Perth people and Perth politicians to be able to handle. We live 20 years behind the rest of Austtralia and the world, that's just the way Perth people like it, wrapped up in their little cocoons, safe and sound away from the rest of the big, bad world outside.

By the way the fastest maglev train in the world is in Shanghai, China and it has a max speed of 430km/h. I don't know where the OP got the 500km/h figure from............
"node09"
it is strange that you think that people in perth are twenty years behind when you can not even spell maglev or australia correctly.
  MarcMS Station Master

A magmev train in Perth, that is laughable.
"node09"

Exactly. Especially with such a weak government in power. Whoever suggested it must have been having a lend of everyone.
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

A magmev train in Perth, that is laughable.
"node09"

Exactly. Especially with such a weak government in power. Whoever suggested it must have been having a lend of everyone.
"MarcMS"


WEll it was politicians of the current Government. Allanah was pushing them for a high speed rail service ie IE 160kph, but they wanted to look at a Higher speed option IE "Maglev". If the option happens to be the 160kph then it should have only three intermediate stops between Perth and Bunbury otherwise the speed advantage is lost, even on a new route
  Bryan Locomotive Driver

Location: Delray Beach, FL (USA) - Ex Busselton, W.A.
...By the way the fastest maglev train in the world is in Shanghai, China and it has a max speed of 430km/h. I don't know where the OP got the 500km/h figure from...
"node09"


By the time Perth gets a MagLev, they'll be be doing 500kph or better  Wink
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

W.A. just doesnt have enough population for such an investment, will be a long long time
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

In regards to the Shanghai maglev, it is the fastest "commercial" operation in the world. The Japanese test track has logged manned speeds of near 600kph already (on a test track only 42.8km long), and expect service speed for the new maglev Shinkansen to be 500kph.
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

W.A. just doesnt have enough population for such an investment, will be a long long time
"Jarroo"


What has to be taken into consideration is that this is a 2020 vision ten years away. Population will increase but moneys to build this state will come from the mining companies in form of royalties. W.A will not always be the Cinderella Wait Awhile State.
  Bryan Locomotive Driver

Location: Delray Beach, FL (USA) - Ex Busselton, W.A.
If you did have something advanced, it could be a tourist attraction in its own right (ride the fasted train in Oz).

Speaking of mining, something like this would be better used for a Perth to Kalgoolie or Perth to Geralton run... longer distances in a short time... make it competitive with flying workers in and out(?)... it may add to the tourist traffic also (those that don't like to fly, a novelty trip, a quick weekender up north, etc).
  westaussie Junior Train Controller

Location: Eastern Goldfieds
W.A. just doesnt have enough population for such an investment, will be a long long time
"Jarroo"


That is so true
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I think its fairly straight forward,

Extend new line off Mandurah, either at terminius or prior, single 160-200km/hr line south to Bunbury. On existing route to Mandurah, trains may have their top end speed limited to 130-160 for a number of reasons.

Passing existing traffic not an issue. Just build passing lanes or 3rd track for the timetabled passing points with up to a 3min buffer. Don't need the whole route.

Rollingstock, either use the next design which is built on the same platform as what ever ese is coming out of EDI at the time. Maybe with galley etc. A bit like the ICE sets in BRisbane compared to EMU's at the time. OR use an updated version of the RTT, which is itself is more than capable of + 160. If they want to avoid the cost of O/H, could go down path of CTT style train. But really not worth it as I think frequency will be more than sufficent. At a guess I'd say 8-12 6 car trains a day would be more than viable if the time is kept below 90-120min.

A dedicated pax route or mostly dedicated pax route is the only way you will get and sustain the higher speeds. Look at NSW and Qld as a prime example.

I don't know why people look at experimental technology when what is available now is out there and it works. 80:20, get 80% of the patronage for 20% of the cost.

As for current route, probably bus connection with suburbans is probably more than sufficent. As the population grows, the suburban line will be extended.

Regards
Shane

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