Waratah Updates

 
  Oreo Train Controller

I did read somewhere at work, where the sets will be allocated, but my memory is fuzzy. It's said there'll be 3 stages, and IIRC, Sector 2 will get the first sets, then Sector 3 "north" (ECRL/Main North) will get them, then sector 3 "west" (Richmond, Penrith, North Shore).
"nadnerbster"

I've done nothing but whinge about the set allocation for train lines! So here I go again, how come Sector 2 always gets the new trains?  Sad They already have their Milleniums anyway!
Seems to be that the West always seems to get things last, along with those new SPI's!  Mad

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  snowy446 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Somewhere on a train
The Illawarra apparently won't get the A Sets which sucks but at least we should get some M Sets
  hurstville1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Uniform Papa - Yankee Oscar - Alpha Sierra Sierra
Boy has it been a while!





On it's transfer down to Sydney.
  kaheiyeh Locomotive Fireman

The Illawarra apparently won't get the A Sets which sucks but at least we should get some M Sets
"snowy446"


I wouldn't hold my breath on that; the M-Sets that is.
  Nathan1987 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mt Warrigal N.S.W
The Illawarra apparently won't get the A Sets which sucks but at least we should get some M Sets
"snowy446"


I wouldn't hold my breath on that; the M-Sets that is.
"kaheiyeh"


At least we have the Tangaras haha and the odd Oscar doing suburban work in off peak.
  Jahommed Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
I did read somewhere at work, where the sets will be allocated, but my memory is fuzzy. It's said there'll be 3 stages, and IIRC, Sector 2 will get the first sets, then Sector 3 "north" (ECRL/Main North) will get them, then sector 3 "west" (Richmond, Penrith, North Shore).
"nadnerbster"

I've done nothing but whinge about the set allocation for train lines! So here I go again, how come Sector 2 always gets the new trains?  Sad They already have their Milleniums anyway!
Seems to be that the West always seems to get things last, along with those new SPI's!  Mad
"Oreo"


What are you complaining about! The Illawarra Line doesn't even get K sets. We have Tangara's (shared with Sector 2) and S sets and that's it! Oh and the odd OSCAR in the off peak. That's the life........ 8)
  red7489 Junior Train Controller

I did read somewhere at work, where the sets will be allocated, but my memory is fuzzy. It's said there'll be 3 stages, and IIRC, Sector 2 will get the first sets, then Sector 3 "north" (ECRL/Main North) will get them, then sector 3 "west" (Richmond, Penrith, North Shore).
"nadnerbster"

I've done nothing but whinge about the set allocation for train lines! So here I go again, how come Sector 2 always gets the new trains?  Sad They already have their Milleniums anyway!
Seems to be that the West always seems to get things last, along with those new SPI's!  Mad
"Oreo"



It is due to the fact that they do not want any trouble or issue with the trains when they are put on sector 3 namely the ECRL and the Habour Bridge.  Sector 2 is being used as a testing ground for these trains after the testing stage to double make sure they are going to be ok.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
No matter where they allocate sets, someone will have a whinge.

Sector 1 got the first OSCAR trains, running to and from the South Coast. They already have a sizeable Tangara fleet, which is going to be completely overhauled as the A-Sets come into service. From what I hear, the S-Sets will be removed from Sector 1 soon, making it a Tangara/OSCAR sector. What's to whinge about that? Sector 1 also has NO 6-car sets operating, while those in Sectors 2 and 3 have to put up with 6-car trains...

Sector 3 has all of the K-Sets, as well as plenty of OSCAR and Tangara trains. When the S-Sets are withdrawn, this will leave Sector 3 with a sizeable deficit in rolling stock - where does one think this rolling stock will come from? Possibly the huge PPP rolling stock contract currently being tested? Thus, Sector 3 would get a lot of A-Sets.

When the S-Sets are withdrawn, we will have an all air conditioned fleet operating in Sydney, all 8-car trains, and after the Tangaras are refurbished, a mostly modern and new fleet (excepting the C and K Sets, although they work perfectly fine, and are airconditioned, so that shouldn't be an issue to most commuters).

Some of you whinging mongrels need to move to a suburb with NO rail access, and rely on the bus system to get around, where buses sometimes don't turn up, or leak, or are freezing cold in winter and roastingly hot in summer. But nobody hears about THAT on the news, it's all whinging about CityRail, sometimes for no good reason.

One does get sick of reading the irate whinging from a bunch of people who like to say the government couldn't run a railway to save their careers, when they wouldn't know the first thing about running a railway themselves. Of course, they are happy to rant and rave about such minor things that don't matter in the long run. The main issue to the future is not who gets the newest train, it's about increasing capacity and relibility across the network as a whole.
  Oreo Train Controller

I did read somewhere at work, where the sets will be allocated, but my memory is fuzzy. It's said there'll be 3 stages, and IIRC, Sector 2 will get the first sets, then Sector 3 "north" (ECRL/Main North) will get them, then sector 3 "west" (Richmond, Penrith, North Shore).
"nadnerbster"

I've done nothing but whinge about the set allocation for train lines! So here I go again, how come Sector 2 always gets the new trains?  Sad They already have their Milleniums anyway!
Seems to be that the West always seems to get things last, along with those new SPI's!  Mad
"Oreo"


What are you complaining about! The Illawarra Line doesn't even get K sets. We have Tangara's (shared with Sector 2) and S sets and that's it! Oh and the odd OSCAR in the off peak. That's the life........ 8)
"Jahommed"

True, but at least you guys got majority of the Tangara's I guess plus you guys have some of those Oscars. Smile But yeah, that's life....what can we do? hahaha  Laughing
  Oreo Train Controller

I did read somewhere at work, where the sets will be allocated, but my memory is fuzzy. It's said there'll be 3 stages, and IIRC, Sector 2 will get the first sets, then Sector 3 "north" (ECRL/Main North) will get them, then sector 3 "west" (Richmond, Penrith, North Shore).
"nadnerbster"

I've done nothing but whinge about the set allocation for train lines! So here I go again, how come Sector 2 always gets the new trains?  Sad They already have their Milleniums anyway!
Seems to be that the West always seems to get things last, along with those new SPI's!  Mad
"Oreo"



It is due to the fact that they do not want any trouble or issue with the trains when they are put on sector 3 namely the ECRL and the Habour Bridge.  Sector 2 is being used as a testing ground for these trains after the testing stage to double make sure they are going to be ok.
"red7489"

Oh I see, but they are undergoing that testing around the network to see if it works fine right?
  Oreo Train Controller

No matter where they allocate sets, someone will have a whinge.

Sector 1 got the first OSCAR trains, running to and from the South Coast. They already have a sizeable Tangara fleet, which is going to be completely overhauled as the A-Sets come into service. From what I hear, the S-Sets will be removed from Sector 1 soon, making it a Tangara/OSCAR sector. What's to whinge about that? Sector 1 also has NO 6-car sets operating, while those in Sectors 2 and 3 have to put up with 6-car trains...

Sector 3 has all of the K-Sets, as well as plenty of OSCAR and Tangara trains. When the S-Sets are withdrawn, this will leave Sector 3 with a sizeable deficit in rolling stock - where does one think this rolling stock will come from? Possibly the huge PPP rolling stock contract currently being tested? Thus, Sector 3 would get a lot of A-Sets.

When the S-Sets are withdrawn, we will have an all air conditioned fleet operating in Sydney, all 8-car trains, and after the Tangaras are refurbished, a mostly modern and new fleet (excepting the C and K Sets, although they work perfectly fine, and are airconditioned, so that shouldn't be an issue to most commuters).

Some of you whinging mongrels need to move to a suburb with NO rail access, and rely on the bus system to get around, where buses sometimes don't turn up, or leak, or are freezing cold in winter and roastingly hot in summer. But nobody hears about THAT on the news, it's all whinging about CityRail, sometimes for no good reason.

One does get sick of reading the irate whinging from a bunch of people who like to say the government couldn't run a railway to save their careers, when they wouldn't know the first thing about running a railway themselves. Of course, they are happy to rant and rave about such minor things that don't matter in the long run. The main issue to the future is not who gets the newest train, it's about increasing capacity and relibility across the network as a whole.
"Raichase"

That's very true and what you said does seem very logical in regards to where trains will be allocated to.
I really can't wait (if ever) for the Rouse Hill station, it takes forever to get to Blacktown or Westmead just to catch a train to get to uni!  Sad
  FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner

I've heard that the roll out will have four stages.  First, six sets supposedly go onto Macarthur - East Hills - Airport - City - Ashfield services, with one set spare.  Then sixteen sets go onto Hornsby - ECRL - City - Epping, and a second spare set.  Then twenty-four go onto Liverpool - Bankstown - City - Inner West running, and they get a third spare.  Lastly, twenty six sets get let loose on Penrith - Richmond - City - Berowra services, and there are six spare sets.  That makes 78 sets, which is the order.

So the sector 3 westies and silvertails are actually getting 42 sets, against 30 for the sector 2 bogans and multi-racial masses.  I guess the six spare allows for overhauls, inspections, and other contingencies.  

What do the white bread Shire folk on sector one get, Tangaras?  See, there is a God, and he has a sense of humour.  Seriously, sector one will be the most homogeneous and boring, just like in real life.
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
Supposedly the first couple of sets have "ugly looking" but still perfectly functional welds. They welders have since improved and the welds on the other 70 sets should look fine.
"nadnerbster"

My information regarding weld quality comes from someone high enough in SYd Water to know as a fact.
"doridori"


Oh. Please remind me, how many trains do Sydney Water own and operate?
  Nathan1987 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mt Warrigal N.S.W
If they are making sector 1 Tangara/Oscar sector, doesn't that mean the V-sets will be replaced too. Fair enough we won't see the waratah or the M-sets isn't it because of lack of driver training on sector 1 or just not EDI territory.
  Kent_B Assistant Commissioner

Location: ED101D
Supposedly the first couple of sets have "ugly looking" but still perfectly functional welds. They welders have since improved and the welds on the other 70 sets should look fine.
"nadnerbster"

My information regarding weld quality comes from someone high enough in SYd Water to know as a fact.
"doridori"


Oh. Please remind me, how many trains do Sydney Water own and operate?
"nadnerbster"

Just look at IRA's LQAY wagonsas an example. Built in China and they're absolute smeg (and no it's not because of IRA before you all crap on about dodgy bros etc etc). Anything built in China for the railways always has problems within a few weeks.

Apart from that we should be supporting local industries.

And don't bring the A sets or M sets to sector 1 they're crap to drive Laughing
  Rails Chief Commissioner

Anyone know if there is any truth to the rumour that Cityrail will keep the R/S sets for a bit longer so that they can run more services?
  snowy446 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Somewhere on a train
Im sure that Cityrail will keep some
There is quite a few S Sets around. I reckon there won't be enough A Sets to replace all
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Anyone know if there is any truth to the rumour that Cityrail will keep the R/S sets for a bit longer so that they can run more services?
"Rails"


As I mentioned above, the biggest issue at the moment is capacity. As the order for A-Set cars is higher than the existing fleet of S Set cars, I would assume (although, that makes an smeg out of you and me...) that this is to replace all of the S-Sets as well as provide extra cars for extra services/spare sets.

That said, I have been told that a number of S-Sets will be retained initially pending any major problems found after the roll out - I don't think anyone (least of all RailCorp) wants a repeat of the Millenium train... Imagine having sold off the S-Sets and then having to buy them back because the A-Sets have to be withdrawn...
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Trent
Mate you do realise your trying to present factual info to foamers who just dont want facts as that goes against their own rantings. LaughingLaughing
  M636C Minister for Railways

Trent
Mate you do realise your trying to present factual info to foamers who just dont want facts as that goes against their own rantings. LaughingLaughing
"42101"


My thoughts on the above are "speak for yourself"....

I for one am a qualified engineer with about forty years' experience, a lot of it with railways. I know of several others who regularly read and post on Railpage that have held very senior positions with railways.

I know Trent and I'm happy to hear his views on the forum or in person.

We don't want a lowest common denominator effect here.

I support anyone posting the best information available.

M636C
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Trent
Mate you do realise your trying to present factual info to foamers who just dont want facts as that goes against their own rantings. LaughingLaughing
"42101"


Evil triumphs when good men fail to act - what would be the point of the admins who spent their time and money to get Railpage back to operational status, if all the good posters packed up and left. There are plenty of people here who sit quietly and read, without saying anything, and I speak to them as much to the loud minority who know nothing. I like to read information shared by some people here, and if everyone doesn't share, then we wouldn't have anything to read.

I remember you and I discussing this a while back, we wanted to take the place back from the rabble. I've never really given up. There are good people here who post good, reliable information, and I'd like to see that continue.

We have to stay the course old friend!

We don't want a lowest common denominator effect here.

I support anyone posting the best information available.
"M636C"


M636C, I too enjoy the in depth information you share, both on and off the forums. I agree that we don't want the LCD effect to take over Railpage, and we need to continue it's tradition as being one of the major communities on the internet.
  Jahommed Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
I've heard that the roll out will have four stages.  First, six sets supposedly go onto Macarthur - East Hills - Airport - City - Ashfield services, with one set spare.  Then sixteen sets go onto Hornsby - ECRL - City - Epping, and a second spare set.  Then twenty-four go onto Liverpool - Bankstown - City - Inner West running, and they get a third spare.  Lastly, twenty six sets get let loose on Penrith - Richmond - City - Berowra services, and there are six spare sets.  That makes 78 sets, which is the order.

So the sector 3 westies and silvertails are actually getting 42 sets, against 30 for the sector 2 bogans and multi-racial masses.  I guess the six spare allows for overhauls, inspections, and other contingencies.  

What do the white bread Shire folk on sector one get, Tangaras?  See, there is a God, and he has a sense of humour.  Seriously, sector one will be the most homogeneous and boring, just like in real life.
"FieldShunt74"


Last bit made me laugh. Very Happy
Does this mean that the Illawarra "inherits", so to speak, Hornsby's hand-me down Tangaras?
  S5_06 Station Master

I saw it go past on the down main near Newtown last week or so. A few people in the last car on computers and such.

Macdonaldtown Sidings are getting WiFi installed on all roads in the shed this weekend ready for them to be able to upload data/video etc.
  kaheiyeh Locomotive Fireman

Last bit made me laugh. Very Happy
Does this mean that the Illawarra "inherits", so to speak, Hornsby's hand-me down Tangaras?
"Jahommed"


I'd suppose so. Otherwise, how are they going to fill the gap the S-sets will leave? Supposing sector 2 isn't going to stop using T-Sets from Mortdale that is.
  doridori Chief Commissioner

Supposedly the first couple of sets have "ugly looking" but still perfectly functional welds. They welders have since improved and the welds on the other 70 sets should look fine.
"nadnerbster"

My information regarding weld quality comes from someone high enough in SYd Water to know as a fact.
"doridori"


Oh. Please remind me !
"nadnerbster"


Ok, I can fragment messages too !

You can hold an opinion, yet I am speaking fact.
If you don't want to believe that, then that is for you to deal with, and not something to burden us with...

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