Waratah Updates

 
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Trent
Mate you do realise your trying to present factual info to foamers who just dont want facts as that goes against their own rantings. LaughingLaughing
"42101"


Evil triumphs when good men fail to act - what would be the point of the admins who spent their time and money to get Railpage Australia™ back to operational status, if all the good posters packed up and left. There are plenty of people here who sit quietly and read, without saying anything, and I speak to them as much to the loud minority who know nothing. I like to read information shared by some people here, and if everyone doesn't share, then we wouldn't have anything to read.

I remember you and I discussing this a while back, we wanted to take the place back from the rabble. I've never really given up. There are good people here who post good, reliable information, and I'd like to see that continue.

We have to stay the course old friend!
"Raichase"



Doing my best Trent....though the usual types have already started ganging together to support each other attacking my posts LaughingEvil or Very MadLaughing ...you know who they be.
Hows Work now days bro.

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  Jahommed Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Trent
Mate you do realise your trying to present factual info to foamers who just dont want facts as that goes against their own rantings. LaughingLaughing
"42101"


Evil triumphs when good men fail to act - what would be the point of the admins who spent their time and money to get Railpage Australia™™ back to operational status, if all the good posters packed up and left. There are plenty of people here who sit quietly and read, without saying anything, and I speak to them as much to the loud minority who know nothing. I like to read information shared by some people here, and if everyone doesn't share, then we wouldn't have anything to read.

I remember you and I discussing this a while back, we wanted to take the place back from the rabble. I've never really given up. There are good people here who post good, reliable information, and I'd like to see that continue.

We have to stay the course old friend!
"Raichase"



Doing my best Trent....though the usual types have already started ganging together to support each other attacking my posts LaughingEvil or Very MadLaughing ...you know who they be.
Hows Work now days bro.
"42101"


I haven't been here for as long as many others, but I definitely agree with what you are saying. If you don't know something, don't post it up. The time will come when you will know something and others will appreciate your knowledge, otherwise, it isn't a race to get as many posts as possible.

With a new batch of OSCARS on the way, I'm just wondering, will they begin to do more suburban runs (like they do now in the off peak) or will they be used exclusively for intercity?
  newts Junior Train Controller

Location: penrith
Evil triumphs when good men fail to act - what would be the point of the admins who spent their time and money to get Railpage Australia™™™ back to operational status, if all the good posters packed up and left. There are plenty of people here who sit quietly and read, without saying anything, and I speak to them as much to the loud minority who know nothing. I like to read information shared by some people here, and if everyone doesn't share, then we wouldn't have anything to read.

I remember you and I discussing this a while back, we wanted to take the place back from the rabble. I've never really given up. There are good people here who post good, reliable information, and I'd like to see that continue.

We have to stay the course old friend!


Doing my best Trent....though the usual types have already started ganging together to support each other attacking my posts LaughingEvil or Very MadLaughing ...you know who they be.
Hows Work now days bro.


I haven't been here for as long as many others, but I definitely agree with what you are saying. If you don't know something, don't post it up. The time will come when you will know something and others will appreciate your knowledge, otherwise, it isn't a race to get as many posts as possible.



here.here........(thats all i got to say)
  FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner

Does this mean that the Illawarra "inherits", so to speak, Hornsby's hand-me down Tangaras?
"Jahommed"


I can't see that happening, not quite.  Mortdale has more than enough Tangaras of it's own to run the Illawarra line timetable, *if* they don't have to supply so many to sector 2.  The current timetable needs between 25 and 30 (but probably closer to the former) eight car sets on the Illawarra.  Maybe half of those are Tangaras now.  I'd say Hornsby have more than 30 T sets.  

If you did move all the Tangaras to Mortdale, you certainly wouldn't need them all on sector 1.   Some would have to be farmed out to one of the other sectors, and sector 2 is easier to get to from Mortdale than sector 3 is.  There will have to be horse trading somewhere.  I see it as either Mortdale keeps roughly all it's Tangaras and stops supplying sector 2, or it gets Hornsby's as well, keeps supplying sector 2, but there are none on sector 3.  Maybe it does make sense to centralise Tangara maintenance in one place?  That would leave a gap in Hornsby's dance card though, if they had just the K sets.

I don't know how they expect to swing it, but it'll be interesting to see.
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

Supposedly the first couple of sets have "ugly looking" but still perfectly functional welds. They welders have since improved and the welds on the other 70 sets should look fine.
"nadnerbster"

My information regarding weld quality comes from someone high enough in SYd Water to know as a fact.
"doridori"


Oh. Please remind me !
"nadnerbster"


Ok, I can fragment messages too !

You can hold an opinion, yet I am speaking fact.
If you don't want to believe that, then that is for you to deal with, and not something to burden us with...
"doridori"

How dare you stand on your high horse and expect us to believe you, based on information that 'comes from someone high enough' without any quote or reference to that person?

If you can't back up your info, or if your info comes from 'someone high enough'.... don't bother posting it cause I think most would agree... we're not interested.

Same goes for the rest of you.
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
Im sure that Cityrail will keep some
There is quite a few S Sets around. I reckon there won't be enough A Sets to replace all
"snowy446"


626 A set cars are replacing 498 S set cars.

Then there's another batch of OSCars coming and yet another "promised" investment in more rail stock by the government.

The S sets'll be gone within 5 years, even if the A sets run late . . . I suspect K and C sets will last longer but with their tread brakes and/or no regen and slow acceleration/top speed, they won't be around forever . . . get your photos now!
  doridori Chief Commissioner

How dare you stand on your high horse and expect us to believe you, based on information that 'comes from someone high enough' without any quote or reference to that person?

If you can't back up your info, or if your info comes from 'someone high enough'.... don't bother posting it cause I think most would agree... we're not interested.

Same goes for the rest of you.
"Maikha"

Maikha,

I credited you with enough intellect, to come to the conclusion, via self reasoning, that revealing such information in official documented form would jeopardise said persons public sector job !

Was I wrong to assume you are intelligent, because mate, if I'm wrong on that aspect, please inform me, and I will adjust my expectations from you to a lower level accordingly.

Oh course, the other option is for me and others to simply not divulge information at all, since the vast majority is incapable of being professionally cited, yet that would of course negate the very reason for online communities like this !
  M636C Minister for Railways

I was given a guided tour of Changchun Carriage Works in September 1980 when they were building "22 series" steel passenger cars based on Soviet designs.

These were pretty crude vehicles and the processes were pretty rough. The car sides were ribbed which improved the strength and reduced the need for the plates to be flat. There were a lot of very big hammers being used on the sides to locate plating before and after welding.

But I never saw one of the cars break apart either.

The main problem was that the car attendant didn't stoke the coal fired boiler at night so the cars got very cold.

I remember going to the vestibule early one morning and being surprised at the thickness of the ice on the INSIDE of the window...

But this was back in the old days of "real" Communism.

I seem to recall seeing some Millennium cars sitting out the back at Cardiff until faults (probably welding, since they were just shells) could be corrected. I think a couple of Tangara cars were not completed straight away at Goninans for the same reason.

M636C
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

Oh course, the other option is for me and others to simply not divulge information at all, since the vast majority is incapable of being professionally cited, yet that would of course negate the very reason for online communities like this !
"doridori"
Then don't devulge it then?

There are too many people who claim to have 'sources high up' when it comes to proving credibility of information, yet start chucking a hissy fit when questioned. Why is that? Does that seem surprising to the rest of you? (For the record... it doesn't to me)

Frankly, I find it insulting for you to come on here, and do exactly that. And then to make a personal snipe at me by questioning my 'intellect', you're not doing yourself any favours.


Let me say again, I am sick and tired as a Mod, and as a forum user, to have misinformation spilled all over the place, and people refusing to back up their sources and background for the information. If you can't back it up with a credible, nameable, referenced source, just don't post it here. SIMPLE!


And finally, I don't give a damn what you or anyone else here thinks or expects of me. I'm in this hobby for me, not for you, or anyone else.
  slacker Train Controller

Thanks Seb.

Just for clarification, the 'possession' period between 0008 and 0355 means that it can and will be running on the line wherever they need to run it? So if we're to see it on the East Hills line we'll need to camp out and hope it is near where we are?
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
For those who want to chase it in the wee hours of the morning,
"seb2351"


There'll be more people who want to vandalise it than anything else - usually I'm all for having info like that in the public domain, but I think we should treat the testing timetable for these with care, especially for these late night runs.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
When I posted it, I was of two, minds. There are a few people who want the information for photo ops, and of course there are those other types.

I think it is appropriate because ultimately, it is no different from any other trains. If vandals want to attack it, they will anyway irregardless if we posted the information. Vandalism is a crime of opportunity.

But If the mdoerators see your way I can understand that as well.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
In the future, I will leave out the yard parts just in case Smile

More news on future sightings...
TUESDAY NIGHT / WEDNESDAY MORNING, JUNE 01 / 02
WEDNESDAY NIGHT / THURSDAY MORNING, JUNE 02 / 03

(Note that it will NOT be loco hauled)

(4A) will depart Auburn Maintenance Facility 2110 hours, ARR Auburn East Yard,passing Auburn
2116, Lidcombe 2121, Flemington C. S. Junction 2123, Homebush 2127, Strathfield arrive 2129 hours.Form 2135 hours

(4A)will depart NM Strathfield 2135 hours passing North Strathfield Junction 2139, Concord
West 2142, Rhodes 2144, West Ryde 2149, Eastwood arrive 2153, depart 2155T, Epping arrive 2159 hours. Form  2206 hours.

(4A) will depart Epping 2206 hours , enter possession at 2208 hours Form Run 0355 hours (Wed / Thurs).

(4A)will exit possession West Ryde depart 0355 hours (Wed
/ Thurs), passing Rhodes 0357, Concord West 0400, North Strathfield Junction 0402 NM, NM Strathfield arrive 0404 hours. Form Run
0410 hours.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Thanks Seb.

Just for clarification, the 'possession' period between 0008 and 0355 means that it can and will be running on the line wherever they need to run it? So if we're to see it on the East Hills line we'll need to camp out and hope it is near where we are?
"slacker"


Correct.
  doridori Chief Commissioner

Oh course, the other option is for me and others to simply not divulge information at all, since the vast majority is incapable of being professionally cited, yet that would of course negate the very reason for online communities like this !
"doridori"
Then don't devulge it then?

There are too many people who claim to have 'sources high up' when it comes to proving credibility of information, yet start chucking a hissy fit when questioned. Why is that? Does that seem surprising to the rest of you? (For the record... it doesn't to me)

Frankly, I find it insulting for you to come on here, and do exactly that. And then to make a personal snipe at me by questioning my 'intellect', you're not doing yourself any favours.


Let me say again, I am sick and tired as a Mod, and as a forum user, to have misinformation spilled all over the place, and people refusing to back up their sources and background for the information. If you can't back it up with a credible, nameable, referenced source, just don't post it here. SIMPLE!


And finally, I don't give a damn what you or anyone else here thinks or expects of me. I'm in this hobby for me, not for you, or anyone else.
"Maikha"


Let's get a few things straight mate...
I'm not interested in fighting, mind games, online smeg etc, yet when attacked for trying to share my knowledge and being shot down for daring to hold an opinion that differs to yours and/or others, of course I'm going to defend myself !
To think anything other than that is stupidity.

I'm not going to risk the management position of someone kind enough to validate information for me in a private forum for the satisfaction of forum members that are unwilling to believe anything beyond their own eyes.
Surely you are not so narrow minded to instantly discredit and disbelieve anything that is not immediately visible to you...
  borosa Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Hey look everybody, it's got bewbs!


Reminds me of the first couple of Tangaras with the dimples above the cab...

I really like the looks of those lights on the sides. though they looks like the tail lights of some fully-sick mobile. :p
  Oreo Train Controller

I've heard that the roll out will have four stages.  First, six sets supposedly go onto Macarthur - East Hills - Airport - City - Ashfield services, with one set spare.  Then sixteen sets go onto Hornsby - ECRL - City - Epping, and a second spare set.  Then twenty-four go onto Liverpool - Bankstown - City - Inner West running, and they get a third spare.  Lastly, twenty six sets get let loose on Penrith - Richmond - City - Berowra services, and there are six spare sets.  That makes 78 sets, which is the order.

So the sector 3 westies and silvertails are actually getting 42 sets, against 30 for the sector 2 bogans and multi-racial masses.  I guess the six spare allows for overhauls, inspections, and other contingencies.  

What do the white bread Shire folk on sector one get, Tangaras?  See, there is a God, and he has a sense of humour.  Seriously, sector one will be the most homogeneous and boring, just like in real life.
"FieldShunt74"

Wow, thanks for this!  Smile
But as for the Hornsby-Epping via the ECRL....so they're still going to get these new trains as well even though they are being run by only Oscars and the K-Sets (Since K-sets will remain in service right?)?........ Confused
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I've heard that the roll out will have four stages.  First, six sets supposedly go onto Macarthur - East Hills - Airport - City - Ashfield services, with one set spare.  Then sixteen sets go onto Hornsby - ECRL - City - Epping, and a second spare set.  Then twenty-four go onto Liverpool - Bankstown - City - Inner West running, and they get a third spare.  Lastly, twenty six sets get let loose on Penrith - Richmond - City - Berowra services, and there are six spare sets.  That makes 78 sets, which is the order.

So the sector 3 westies and silvertails are actually getting 42 sets, against 30 for the sector 2 bogans and multi-racial masses.  I guess the six spare allows for overhauls, inspections, and other contingencies.  

What do the white bread Shire folk on sector one get, Tangaras?  See, there is a God, and he has a sense of humour.  Seriously, sector one will be the most homogeneous and boring, just like in real life.
"FieldShunt74"

Wow, thanks for this!  Smile
But as for the Hornsby-Epping via the ECRL....so they're still going to get these new trains as well even though they are being run by only Oscars and the K-Sets (Since K-sets will remain in service right?)?........ Confused
"Oreo"


Yes they will, though it may come at the price of losing some if not all of the Oscars... (I am sure you wont mind paying that price but  Razz )
  Nathan1987 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mt Warrigal N.S.W
I guess once the Waratah is out and running on Hornsby via ECRL, the Oscars will go back to interurban  duties or even replace some V-sets, or doing other suburban duties during off peak.
  Rails Chief Commissioner

Isnt it the K sets that will leave the ECRL/ Northern line when the A sets come on line?
  Inspector Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone to - I don't know..............
Yup, that's the plan.
  Nathan1987 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mt Warrigal N.S.W
Sorry my mistake so it will be the odd Oscar with the A-sets running on the ECRL.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I like the look of them, very modern and sleek looking.

Besides headlights, what will those lights on the sides be used for? there looks to be three different lights (and sizes) on each side. they cant be marker lights because they are up the top either side of the desto.

probably something very redundant but i wonder what colour the target plates will be? i thought of this one day on the way to the city hehe.

cheers,
Mitch
  goninan_bl00d Train Controller

Location: Not here, that's where.
I think they were going for the 'European Car' look with the lights, as someone mentioned.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
probably something very redundant but i wonder what colour the target plates will be? i thought of this one day on the way to the city hehe.
"meh"


Going from the lack of ditchlights compared to a Millenium, I would hazard a guess that one set is the ditchlights, possibly pointing down at the track while the headlights face straight ahead.

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