NE SG line, post gauge conversion

 
  skitz Chief Commissioner

just trying to make the point if one is after good quality information, generalisations and cherry picking data WILL nearly always lead on astray.

After running a simulation on the issue in fact its likely a Vlocity based train could make it albury in very close to 3 hours, but the service would have absolutely no room for error and therefore would almost certainly always be late.

Just as a farewell comment, I'd always hoped my passion for accuracy and clarity would have rubbed off on others, it appears few really wish to make the significant effort required Sad.

woodford
woodford

You will be back.  At the momemnt is neck and neck between you and John Farnham;-)

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  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
Talk of 3 hours to Albury reminded me of a run I did, way back in 1974 to Albury, on the old loco hauled Inter Capital Daylight. I rarely take notes when train riding these days but back then I did on some trips and a search through old notebooks came up with the times. There was a timetabled connection at Sunshine with the Overland and true to its nickname, the "Overdue", it was late resulting a 38 minute late departure from Sunshine. With an X and GM on the front, the crew did a magnificent job bringing the deficit down to just 10 mins at Albury. The total running time was 3 hours 9 minutes!Very Happy
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
just trying to make the point if one is after good quality information, generalisations and cherry picking data WILL nearly always lead on astray.

After running a simulation on the issue in fact its likely a Vlocity based train could make it albury in very close to 3 hours, but the service would have absolutely no room for error and therefore would almost certainly always be late.

Just as a farewell comment, I'd always hoped my passion for accuracy and clarity would have rubbed off on others, it appears few really wish to make the significant effort required Sad.

woodford
woodford
Thanks Woodford for your reports over the years, however as a railfan, which you clearly must be, I can't see why you would 'retire' from the forum when there will always be items of interest on the NE line.

What will you do now you say your reporting days are over...grow roses Question...you can do both..Wink

Mike.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I second The Vinelander's remarks.

Woodford, your reports have been frequent, detailed and accurate.  Thanks for your efforts.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Thanks Woodford for your reports over the years, however as a railfan, which you clearly must be, I can't see why you would 'retire' from the forum when there will always be items of interest on the NE line.

What will you do now you say your reporting days are over...grow roses Question...you can do both..Wink

Mike.
The Vinelander

In railways I am only interested in the technical and construction area, operations interest me not at all. As stated there was and is a prime reason my being here. As all construction work is now over I no longer have the drive required to give my reports the attention I believe they deserve and I WILL NOT settle for not good enough, I have been very concerned for sometime now that I was not giving the reports anywhere near enough attention as they deserved (this in the end one of the main reasons for letting go).
As well to suppress ones own views in favor of accuracy and clarity does take an effort and a toll as does the other two particularly the clarity.

I am now at work having a crack at writing train driving simulator using Linux, this is giving me plenty of interest in the railway technical area. I am currently working on the phsyics behind a steamer for the model for this sim.

Many thanks for all the kind words, I take great pride in trying to maintain accuracy and clarity its nice to know I appear to have done some kind of a reasonable job.

PS, Its already been pointed out to me If they ever start rebuilding the Oaklands line for coal trafffic I would very likely report it.

woodford
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Woodford, thanks for your detailed reporting over the last 5 years or so in the three big threads, the NE Conversion one, the Oaklands line thread, and this one. It has made for great reading and is a handy reference for anyone wanting to know what went on. I suspect that only ARTC would have a little more detail than has been posted here.

Thanks for taking the time to share your observations with us, through what I hear is (or was) a poor Internet connection.

You no doubt have an excellent photographic record of the events too, its a pity that some 'issues' prevented you from sharing most of them.

We can only hope that there is movement in regard to Oaklands soon. Good luck with the Simulators too.

Thanks mate, all the best to you, stay well.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Woodford

i noticed you have from time to time commented on the RRL Project. You can still do that whenever you wish, just to "stay in the loop" so to speak.

All the best wishes

Duncan
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Woodford...

Always looked forward to your observations/information.

What's more a good handle on reality and no hidden or overt agenda just added to your cred.

Cheers
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Latest update...

"Project Update - Ballast Rehabilitation Program

The Australian Rail Track Corporation (ARTC) has passed the eighteen month mark of its four and half year program of works to improve the track between Sydney and Melbourne,the Company said today...."

http://www.artc.com.au/Article/Detail.aspx?p=6&id=395
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

How much longer will this take? These delays are becoming a joke!
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
How much longer will this take? These delays are becoming a joke!
Duncs
Looking at the previous post ...

Given that ARTC are 18 months into a 4 1/2 year program of works...

lets see...

that makes it 3 years before they will be finished  Exclamation
  tatong branch Beginner

Ballast train gone from Benalla still heap of ballast there.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Ballast train gone from Benalla still heap of ballast there.
tatong branch
Ballast train that was at Benalla is now at Junee getting ready for a ballast program between Cootamundra and Junee.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Ballast train that was at Benalla is now at Junee getting ready for a ballast program between Cootamundra and Junee.
LowndesJ515
who is supplying the motive power on it now days?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
How is the Murray River Bridge holding up these days ? I seem to recall it had some restrictions in the past.

Any plans to replace it like ARTC did at Wagga Wagga?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Just a quick question- Are the concrete sleepers used on the new SG line the 285kg heavy ones or the 232 kg general purpose ones?
  packa Junior Train Controller

A casualty on the west line at Barnawartha.  Train split and left 2 wagons at the level crossing.  As it turns out I think it may be this one.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb8CqU4tjFE
  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
The Murray River bridge restrictions were related to the time when the bridge was double track.
The restriction was that only 1 train was permitted on the bridge at any one time.
As the bridge is now only single track there is no restriction.
There are height restrictions though, which currently prevent double stacking.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

The Murray River bridge restrictions were related to the time when the bridge was double track.
The restriction was that only 1 train was permitted on the bridge at any one time.
As the bridge is now only single track there is no restriction.
There are height restrictions though, which currently prevent double stacking.
MD
That double stacking will need to be addressed in the near future I suspect.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
That double stacking will need to be addressed in the near future I suspect.
Duncs

ARTC did flag it in it's Infrastructure Australia submission.

A (future?) Inland Railway is supposed to allow double stacking as well.
  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
The problem of double stacking into Victoria is where will the double stacked trains go to.
The Bunbury street tunnel prevents double stacking into Dynon, and theres no easy or obvious fix to remove the tunnel.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

The problem of double stacking into Victoria is where will the double stacked trains go to.
The Bunbury street tunnel prevents double stacking into Dynon, and theres no easy or obvious fix to remove the tunnel.
MD
i didn't know that. That changes everything
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
i didn't know that. That changes everything
Duncs

Not necessarily. Take NSW where you can only double stack west of Parkes. Trains get to Goobang Junction and the top containers added/removed. Also companies like SCT built its terminal there.

For an Inland Railway in particular you could add/remove containers anywhere north of the tunnel at new or existing terminals. As for the tunnel, Bethungra Spiral etc - money fixes anything!
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Not necessarily. Take NSW where you can only double stack west of Parkes. Trains get to Goobang Junction and the top containers added/removed. Also companies like SCT built its terminal there.

For an Inland Railway in particular you could add/remove containers anywhere north of the tunnel at new or existing terminals. As for the tunnel, Bethungra Spiral etc - money fixes anything!
cootanee

What terminals are there (existing or proposed) in Melbourne which could be used?
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
ATSB's report on the Sydney-Melbourne line is now released

Thread is here Arrow  http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11375475.htm

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