NE SG line, post gauge conversion

 
  tery84_trainee Assistant Commissioner

T385 doing signal / crossing testing the Vline N class conducting ride quality tests i believe

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  woodford Chief Commissioner


T385 was running backwards and forwards between Glenrowan and Springhurst on the West LIne this morning. Looks like it was doing a bit of rail cleaning.
"woodford"


In the other thread a poster suggested it was testing track circuts.
"dkaarma"


I was wondersing if some one was going to mention this...............

Could have been but there was no one manning the signal cabinets to see the results. A minor point here is that one of the fitters told me with the signal equipment installed on the line there is no way in the cabinet one can tell what the signal should be displaying, you have to look at the signal and these where not turned on.
The only staff around where the safety people making sure traffic obeyed the lvl crossings, so rail cleaning is the only other thing I can think of, any other suggestions of course welcome.

Woodford

PS , the stupid mouse on this machine has 5 buttons on it (two extra side buttuns) and the Xserver (this is Linux) has decided these will be used to navigate backwards and forwards when web browsing, This I may say I DO NOT like.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

T385 doing signal / crossing testing the Vline N class conducting ride quality tests i believe
"tery84_trainee"


On T385, there was no one manning the signal cabinets and the signals where not turned on. On the level crossings only safety people where on site and not all crossings had staff.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Would be interesting to know whether the cabinets have laptops / dataloggers which forms part of the circuit testing?
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
N453 ran to Albury and back today. I got it at Donnybrook on the up tonight

[bigimg]http://members.optusnet.com.au/vrfan/20110208_n453_donnybrook.jpg[/bigimg]
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Would be interesting to know whether the cabinets have laptops / dataloggers which forms part of the circuit testing?
"Ballast_Plough"


There appears to be some sort of self diagnostics and error reporting. The fitters told me a couple of points in relation to this. If the controler detects a fault it calls up contol with a fault report. Also the current to the signal lights is monitored and if this is not correct a fault is registered.

The contoler appears to be standard high quality item would be VERY surprised if it did not have an access port on it. Whether the fitters have the required access or training to use this is of course another question. Management tend to have a view that these things are totally fault proof and do not need maintence. (walks away sadly shaking head)

A point worth keeping in mind is software related systems tend not like people playing around with them. How any manufacturer managed to get a software related railway signal system accepted (say....... just think of Myki for a typical all software system) is beyond this person by one assumes they would NOT want just anyone playing around with them.

Woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Just thought I would put a note of explanation here just in case. A railway signal system is many orders of magnitude simpler than what is/was being attempted with the current ticketing system and could fairly easily be handled with a what is known as a "state machine" these are relatively easy to build reliably in software, but still one must be VERY carefull.

Woodford
  dmgrail Junior Train Controller

Location: Wangaratta Vic. 3677
Up Light Engine, Rail Power liveried S 312 arrived Alumatta Loop at 17:21 to cross Down Superfreighter hauled by NR 92 – NR 69 through loop at 17:24. S 312 departed Alumatta Loop at 17:26.

To clarify my post re T 385 testing crossing circuits on Monday 7th February, it was performing both rust removal from the rail and circuit testing. The information is logged in the new control boxes that have been erected at most PCR’s and information is downloaded to computer for analysis. Sisely Avenue data was to be down loaded after the tests concluded as there were timing inconsistencies detected.

DMG
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen
T385 was sighted about 12.30 this arvo between Old Barnawatha Road and the Murray Valley Hwy overpass. It was travelling on the Old Broad Gauge Line.  

Scott
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Thought I would repeat this here, SN7 has slipped in an item on the fleet changes thread that N469 will be joining N453 on SG shortly. Possibly be GOOD. Smile .

Woodford
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Thought I would repeat this here, SN7 has slipped in an item on the fleet changes thread that N469 will be joining N453 on SG shortly. Possibly be GOOD. Smile .

Woodford
"woodford"


So N469 will never run through the town of its name anymore? (well, untill it becomes SG)
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
For how long will the locomotives be stuck on Standard gauge?

While it seems that we have three dedicated standard gauge carriage sets, would these three locomotives be stuck there?

Could it be that they may be swapped around now and then.  Perhaps we may need a fourth locomotive on SG for a special event. Then after the special event is done, will they convert back that one after such a short while, or will they convert back one of the others?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

Could it be that they may be swapped around now and then.  
"tranzitjim"

I guess that may happen, but It would be determined by major maintenance requirements, mishaps, etc, (but V/Line unlikely would swip swap loco around just for loco town name sake)


Perhaps we may need a fourth locomotive on SG for a special event. Then after the special event is done, will they convert back that one after such a short while, or will they convert back one of the others?
"tranzitjim"


That wouldn't be very cost effective when V/Line could just hire a SG loco from the likes of CFCLA


Note. for 3 return V/Line services between Albury and Melbourne only 2 train sets are needed ? With the third available for maintenance/standby
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Thought I would repeat this here, SN7 has slipped in an item on the fleet changes thread that N469 will be joining N453 on SG shortly. Possibly be GOOD. Smile .

Woodford
"woodford"


So N469 will never run through the town of its name anymore? (well, untill it becomes SG)
"speedemon08"


One of course could say a simliar thing about "The city of Benalla"

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................... One could always swap the number plates and names around of course   Wink .

Woodford
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Where are those spanners........?
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Note. for 3 return V/Line services between Albury and Melbourne only 2 train sets are needed ? With the third available for maintenance/standby
"Nightfire"


I thought there were going to be 5 services per day both ways - 4 x V/Line and 1 x XPT. The 4 V/Line services would need the 3 car sets.
  r707 Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
IIRC the 5 services are 3x V/Line (with altered times to not compete with the slug) and 2x XPT (which would still run its current morning and night services each way). As Nightfire mentioned, the remaining loco and set would be standby/maintenance.
  dkaarma Chief Train Controller

from richiebogie
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1396355.htm#1396355

4:15am (XPT 1 up)
6:35am (Vline 1 up)
12:10pm (Vline 2 up)
3:22pm (XPT 2 up)
5:45pm (Vline 1 up)

5 from Melbourne to Albury are:

7:10am (Vline 2 down)
8:30am (XPT 1 down)
12:21pm (Vline 1 down)
6:00pm (Vline 2 down)
7:55pm (XPT 2 down)
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

How long will it take for the modified V Line N sets to reach Albury from SCS?
How long for the XPT from SCS?
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

How long will it take for the modified V Line N sets to reach Albury from SCS?


About 3 years.

How long for the XPT from SCS?


A few hours.
  dkaarma Chief Train Controller

Based on the ARTC's Master Train Plan (If my maths is right)

Vline - 3 hours and 55 minutes from SCS to Albury
XPT - 3 hours 20 minutes

http://www.artc.com.au/library/MTP_2011-01-02_NSWVIC%20600.pdf
http://www.artc.com.au/library/MTP_2011-01-02_NSWVIC%20700.pdf
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Based on the ARTC's Master Train Plan (If my maths is right)

Vline - 3 hours and 55 minutes from SCS to Albury
XPT - 3 hours 20 minutes

http://www.artc.com.au/library/MTP_2011-01-02_NSWVIC%20600.pdf
http://www.artc.com.au/library/MTP_2011-01-02_NSWVIC%20700.pdf
"dkaarma"


The XPT sounds right, but the V Line journey is now longer than the old timetable of 2005. When the average time was 3 hours 30 minutes. Also the N sets are supposed to be travelling at up to 130kph, faster the the previous speed of 115kph.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

In those documents the times of the trains to Melbiurne (up trains) are,

XPT
0415 time to totenham        3:01
1522 time to totenham       3:14

VLP
0635  time to totenham     3:24
1210  time to totneham     3:19
1745  time to totenham     3:53

Now one must remember that the VLine trains are stopping at 5 more stations (Avenel, Euroa, Violet Town, Springhurst and Chiltern). These stops will add around 15 minutes to the time table as apposed to the XPT. Note: the slowest VLine pass is the evening train the reason is likely its is striking all the overnight freights leaving Melbourne for Sydney.
Given these times it is highly likely the Vline passes are using the same cruising speed as the XPT's ie 120KPH.

Woodford
  dkaarma Chief Train Controller

Thanks Woodford, trust me to randomly pick the longest journey!
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen
Thought I would repeat this here, SN7 has slipped in an item on the fleet changes thread that N469 will be joining N453 on SG shortly. Possibly be GOOD. Smile .

Woodford
"woodford"


So N469 will never run through the town of its name anymore? (well, untill it becomes SG)
"speedemon08"


One of course could say a simliar thing about "The city of Benalla"

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................... One could always swap the number plates and names around of course   Wink .

Woodford
"woodford"


Then there is also the "Rural City of Wodonga"

Scott

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