Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Yet isn't so strange that when a major road needs work done, such as resurfacing, there is no compliants about night work!
Heaven forbid if we have our car journeys hampered by improvement road works  Rolling Eyes

On a side note, I live within 70m of Port Road, and I never heard even a truck engine whilst they were laying the new, underground, high voltage feeder towards the city along the Port rd. (Works were being done between the hours of 7pm and 6am)

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  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Maikha the nimbys here are usually a misinformed pack of ignorant so and so's, or so it seems most times. The railways cut back a few overhanging trees or something and the next thing you know there is an article in the Sadvertiser telling all and sundry that trees on all railway property are being removed or some such load of Bull excrement.  

This paper just loves finding these errrrrrrr scoops and then the general public at large believe every word written in the story. The media never think to get in touch with someone who could answer there questions honestly. In saying that SA is a mob of sheep really in believing the media. If they printed the world would end tomorrow or somesuch I am sure there would be South Australian's panicking.

Most would say that if it has been in the Sadvertiser or on Today Tonight or something then it must be true, but in most cases it is not even partway to the truth. They change the story to get a bit more sensationalism out of it and the fools that read or see it believe it again and so it goes on.

The last time the Liberals tried to stir the pot they claimed that ARTC was going to install a railway shunting yard at Callington, this is how it was reported in the Sadvertiser here and they were going to take more of peoples properties to do it.

In actual fact it was only ARTC going to install or lengthen an existing passing loop and the whole lot could be done without touching or needing any more property. But both the Liberals and the Sadvertiser beat it up out of all proportion. In other words making a mountain out of a mole hill.

They still do it when it suits them both the Liberal party and the Sadvertiser. In this paper the only thing anyone would really believe is the comic's section the rest is really just balderdash at the best of times and the news is usually days to weeks old!

If anyone on here thinks that some gunzels do not know a thing they are in for a shock with the media in this state, even a blatant ignorant gunzel knows more than most of these reporters and politicians in this state!

So what you say about damned if you do etc is quite true.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Noisy night work requires an EPA exemption and limitations on what you can do. Rail work tends to be noisy with hammers, tampers etc. Depending on the closeness of neighbours, you can be limited to 2 consecutive nights, I know of one project that overran because of the ban so that people had to be bussed so that a handful of NIMBY's could get some sleep. Reversing bleepers are a particular annoyance and have to be turned down.
See the thread on LeFevre where the locals have made the front page of the local rag three times complaining about trains.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Don't you mean the proposed loop at between Beaumonts road and Ambelside David Peters?
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Things can be built here in SA using more than 1 shift per day, or by working longer hours as was witnessed on the tram extension to the Morphett Street Bridge.

Perhaps the contractor (Coleman Rail) was anxious to get the mainly Victorian based crews back home and save on accommodation costs.

Perhaps the crews themselves felt that the quicker they finished the job the sooner they could go back home.

It seems projects like these are seen as engineering tasks and indeed they are.

But there is another side to a task like this and that is to continue to efficiently move commuters on that line and this seems to be held in much less importance.

Sure buses will handle some of the passengers but the design of the replacement bus service needs to ensure people get between the start of their journey and their desired destination as quickly as possible, and this may not mean providing buses that call at every station.

Where are the buses coming from in the first place?    Does Adelaide have sufficient buses to carry the peak hour traffic they already carry plus several train loads as well?

Poor service will lead to loss of customers.

I don't believe it's NIMBYs that are stopping night work - rather a matter of insufficient funds being made available for the contractor to economically pay shift allowances or overtime.

The letter-to-the-editor writers from down south will no doubt bemoan the money being spent on the railway work, but not the inconvenience of the closure since they neither use the train nor the buses.

Will the duplicating of our famous half a road result in it being closed for the duration?

I think not.

The difference is that the money for road projects is much more prolific than for any public transport project.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Don't you mean the proposed loop at between Beaumonts road and Ambelside David Peters?
"Pressman"


Yes Pressman you are right on that! Embarassed
  ikb Locomotive Fireman

From what I can gather there is more negativity on here directed at DTEI than there is from the public.  I seriously question the NIMBY state argument.
  NolaMcKenzie Junior Train Controller

From what I can gather there is more negativity on here directed at DTEI than there is from the public.  I seriously question the NIMBY state argument.
"ikb"


Exactly.  I find it kind of ironic the bitching on here about whingers in the Advertiser, when this forum tends to be one big whinge itself, only with bad grammar! [sic].
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
From what I can gather there is more negativity on here directed at DTEI than there is from the public.  I seriously question the NIMBY state argument.
"ikb"

DTEI are in a difficult position: they are obliged to work within the resources available to them and I believe they do that well.

The real problem lies with governments of either persuation who have caused the current state of affairs by years of budget restraints.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler

Where are the buses coming from in the first place?    Does Adelaide have sufficient buses to carry the peak hour traffic they already carry plus several train loads as well?
"kipioneer"


There is a fleet of recently 'retired' Obahn buses O305/O305G which are being stockpiled at the Lonsdale Bus Depot. The original fleet was 41 rigid and 51 articulated buses, so baring the odd write off should be more than enough extra buses.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Looks like we might be hearing a few more flaming stories about them then, nothing would surprise anyone using these old buses! Laughing
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
I would have thought that those old Mercedes-Benz buses had one year left in service? Weren't those buses introduced around the time of the O-Bahn opening in 1986?
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
I would have thought that those old Mercedes-Benz buses had one year left in service? Weren't those buses introduced around the time of the O-Bahn opening in 1986?
"greasyrhys"


The first Merc 0305 buses were the rigids, and came into service, around 1982-83, prior to the opening of the O- Bahn.

Looks like we might be hearing a few more flaming stories about them then, nothing would surprise anyone using these old buses
"David Peters"


I know a flaming story about an Adelaide Mercedes 0305 bus.

Once upon a time, a time not at all long ago ...

  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
A song to put over that video 2001. "Something's Burning"!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGqH74xudEk
[/img] Laughing
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Perhaps 'Burning Down the House' by Tom Jones and the Cartigans would do nicely! But those buses have served Adelaide well over the years.

Back to the topic, the line needs 'refreshing', most of the sleepers between Oaklands and Noarlunga Centre date back from the mid 70's and definitely need to be replaced.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
I'm disappointed to see the Shutdown at Oaklands, given that a fair whack of the track between Oaklands and Brighton was done as well. Prep work could have included a couple of weekend shutdowns to upgrade to Brighton Station, and used the centre station to turn around. Also they'd be more room for buses laying over then at Oaklands. Either that or if the works started at Brighton, then it could be reopened sooner to shift the interchange to Brighton.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

G'day all

I here!

From Tennessee in USA.

As others have said, I have said it all before.

Parallel. Your wouldn't shut down Adelaide's main sewer trunk main for 6 months just to up grade it. What! Ask people not to smeg?

With Darlington congestion they are basically asking people not to travel!

With decent engineering and planning the job could be done after hours or through week ends and with single track working.

MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL.

Regards
Ian
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Also the Outer Harbor and Grange lines will be closed from the 27 th of December 2010 for God knows how long as well saw a notice at Woodville Station today but did not read it fully!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Also the Outer Harbor and Grange lines will be closed from the 27 th of December 2010 for God knows how long as well saw a notice at Woodville Station today but did not read it fully!
"David Peters"

I noticed today that all the trees, shrubs and undergrowth has been removed on the western side of the Grange line between Port Road and between the Alma street crossing. And that includes the old loop side (western) of the Albert Park platform.
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Also the Outer Harbor and Grange lines will be closed from the 27 th of December 2010 for God knows how long as well saw a notice at Woodville Station today but did not read it fully!
"David Peters"


Services cancelled on Monday Evening only. Normal timetable resumes on Tuesday.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Also the Outer Harbor and Grange lines will be closed from the 27 th of December 2010 for God knows how long as well saw a notice at Woodville Station today but did not read it fully!
"David Peters"


Services cancelled on Monday Evening only. Normal timetable resumes on Tuesday.
"2001"


Ahh!! possibly due to work on the new High Voltage feeder to Keswick.
It passes under the Port line adjacent to the Redhill bridge, they have been working in the area recently.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I don't think it is that Pressman as that would not shut down the Grange line as well, but you will hear more about that little job down there soon, believe me! Trust me on this. 8)
  roobin Station Master

Location: Elizabeth
Also the Outer Harbor and Grange lines will be closed from the 27 th of December 2010 for God knows how long as well saw a notice at Woodville Station today but did not read it fully!
"David Peters"


Services cancelled on Monday Evening only. Normal timetable resumes on Tuesday.
"2001"


Ahh!! possibly due to work on the new High Voltage feeder to Keswick.
It passes under the Port line adjacent to the Redhill bridge, they have been working in the area recently.
"Pressman"

Ther outer harbor line is close a/c renewing the standard gauge cross overs at Torrens jct
  roobin Station Master

Location: Elizabeth
The worst kept secret is out and flyers are being handed out. The Noarlunga line will be closed for 6 months from Feb 2011 from Jetty Road to Noarlunga. Bus shuttle will operate from Noarlunga to Oaklands.
Looks unlikely that they'll be able to instal electrification infrastructure as the contract is not finalised yet.
Maybe they will have a shuttle from Tonsley to Noarlunga along the expressway which would be quicker for the southern stations.
Hallett Cove Beach could have its unveiling on a train-free line.
This presumably would free up enough trains so the 2000 class would not be needed.
"62440"

Latest Train Notice has the closure from Feb 6th
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
The Noarlunga line will be closed for around 6 months from Sunday 6 February 2011. Four different bus routes will provide services to closed stations and Oaklands Interchange, operated by SouthLink with none other than Adelaide's famous ex-O-Bahn Mercedes O305G and O305 buses. Perhaps one last hurrah for these two types of buses before permanent retirement?

N3 - Noarlunga Centre, Christie Downs, Lonsdale, Hallett Cove Shopping Centre, Oaklands (all times)
N4 - Noarlunga Centre to Oaklands via all stations (all times)
N5 - Noarlunga Centre to Oaklands express via Southern Expressway (peak service only)
N6 - Hallett Cove Beach, Hallett Cove, Oaklands (peak service only)

The first bus will leave Noarlunga Centre at 4.48am on weekdays; the last bus will arrive at Noarlunga Centre at 1.24am.

Tonsley trains will be running every 30 minutes M-F daytime (more often in peak; no night services). On weekdays, Oaklands trains will be running every 15 minutes (10 minutes in peak). They generally alternate between all stops; and express to Woodlands Park, then all stops to Oaklands.

Adelaide Metro have clearly gone with a new design for the timetables, perhaps a sign of things to come!

http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/routes/pdfs/Noarlunga_lineFeb2011c.pdf

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