Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast

Didn't the adelaide-oaklands already get done? i thought that is why the weekend shutdowns were done for the line? or was this a different part of the track im thinking off?
"Stonie"


Only two short sections got done during those weekend shutdowns:
- Oaklands station to the Sturt River bridge (west of Marion station).
- Brighton Road LC (near Hove Station) to Jetty Road LC (north of Brighton staion).

There's a lot of track still to be rebuilt between Adelaide yard and Hove, including some complicated bits like Goodwood Junction.

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  85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)
As of Friday arvo, all the Rail has been  Lifted to the middle of the large embankment between Lonsdale and Hallet Cove Beach.Sleepers removed as far as the northern crossover into the Stanvac Depot (could be called Chrysler Rd, but just a little further north).
Noarlunga Center and Christies Beach stations, have been dug completely out, and new storm water drains started to be installed. it seems the stations are receiving attention first.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

G'day all

They can hardly blame "steam age" design for track inadequacies south of Hallett Cove station!

If it had been looked after that track should not have to be lifted and would only need spot sleeper replacement and repacking.

Regards
Ian
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Ian, it's no use saying "If it had been looked after.." Because it wasn't and now we pay the price of past cost cutting.
Thats the wrongs of the past and it's counter productive to blame the past wrongs. because we can't change history.
As to partial re-opening, here's a left field thought....
maybe some public servant somewhere suggested that the public might not like it if the substitute service gets continually changed.
It would need to be changed and buses re-routed if the temporary terminal was moved to, say, Brighton, so then new timetables would need to be formulated, printed and issued.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

G'day Tony

You are right of course. Water under the bridge (if the cess isn't blocked), spilt milk etc.

You're a great apology for an apologist.   Laughing
Want a job as a spin doctor? Laughing

I only hope the transport section, whoever administers it, NOW has  enough engineering and rail knowhow to manage the upgrading properly. They were certainly thin on the ground a few years ago.

Another governmant utility had the same problem, hasn't done me ny harm, but there still is a distinct shortage of people who really know what is going on.

Regards
Ian
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
G'day Tony

You are right of course. Water under the bridge (if the cess isn't blocked), spilt milk etc.

You're a great apology for an apologist.   Laughing
Want a job as a spin doctor? Laughing
"steam4ian"

I kinda am a spin doctor in my current job already  Laughing
I program industrial computer controlled machines, so there is a lot of telling the clients "Of course it will do that!" when it kinda does that  Razz


I only hope the transport section, whoever administers it, NOW has  enough engineering and rail knowhow to manage the upgrading properly. They were certainly thin on the ground a few years ago.

Another governmant utility had the same problem, hasn't done me ny harm, but there still is a distinct shortage of people who really know what is going on.

Regards
Ian
"steam4ian"


It wasn't that many years ago that the SA Highways department designed a SHIP!  Shocked
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
It wasn't that many years ago that the SA Highways department designed a SHIP!  Shocked
"Pressman"


Which has been for many years trading out of Malta never missing a beat.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
It wasn't that many years ago that the SA Highways department designed a SHIP!  Shocked
"Pressman"


Which has been for many years trading out of Malta never missing a beat.
"kipioneer"


So true Neil, she had a lot of improvement work down on her in the first few years of service, but, by then, the bad publicity had stuck like sh te to a blanket.
They got what they designed, just a pity they didn't design it for the conditions they wanted it to operate in.
I think I had a back ache for a month from laying under the bridge control consol installing the extra bridge wing mooring control stands  Confused
  85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)
Finally got around to uploading some Photo's from the last week.

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New Rail out the back of Noarlunga centre. All the old rail between the platforms was also pulled out to this location.

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Picking up the Old Steel Sleepers through Platform 1 at Noarlunga Centre.

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Workers removing the Points and associated equipment at the Port Stanvac yard entrance.

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Parts of the old points sitting on the old Chrysler siding.

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Old Rail cut to size, to enable removal on the back of truck.

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Looking down what i call the Stanvac Bank (my unoffical name Smile ). Showing track removal as at Friday afternoon on the 11th Feb. Also shows a Rail Replacement Bus climbing the hill on Lonsdale Road.

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Current state of Christies Downs Station. Track, Sleepers ballast and base layer removed ready for drainage works to start.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
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Looking down what i call the Stanvac Bank (my unoffical name Smile ). Showing track removal as at Friday afternoon on the 11th Feb. Also shows a Rail Replacement Bus climbing the hill on Lonsdale Road.
"85trainfan"


The front end loaders were placing concrete sleepers on the southern end of that embankment today
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
That last picture makes me laugh. Yellow Signal, but no track!
  ikb Locomotive Fireman

I believe it is called the field river bank.
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
What are the substitute buses like? Do they run on time and whats the patronage like?
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
According to my friend, SAR_T186, the N5 is awesome, and is about 2-3 minutes quicker than the train. The N3 takes him 10 minutes longer than the train to get to work.
  yoyoman Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
According to my friend, SAR_T186, the N5 is awesome, and is about 2-3 minutes quicker than the train. The N3 takes him 10 minutes longer than the train to get to work.
"witsend"


That might be compared to a stop at all stations train in the morning but if you usually catch the express, it's quite slow.

It would also be good if the bus drivers could drive in a straight line on the expressway instead of army driving - left, right, left etc........ Either the drivers are poor or more likely the buses have worn out steering components and should be removed from service before someone gets hurt.  They're using what I believe to be the old O-Bahn buses

Whoever made the timetable is very optomistic.  They've allowed only 25 minutes to travel from the Noarlunga Interchange, go through the slow point in Colannades shopping centre and then onto Oaklands via the expressway.  At that time of morning I would be lucky to get from Noarlunga to Oaklands in 25 minutes in my car let alone in a bus.  

Consequently most of the N5 buses don't meet up with the corresponding trains as 'suggested' in the timetable, and talking to several other passengers using other bus substitute services, they are experiencing the same delays.

So instead of the previous train trip on the Noarlunga to Adelaide express of approx 35 minutes, and the now timetabled advertised N5 plus Oaklands semi-express of 47 minutes, the reality is the trip is taking approx an hour on the majority of occasions which is a significant increase on the pre-upgrade travel time.

And then there is Transadelaide - do the management know how to run a railway?

Prior to the closure, there was the Noarlunga express leaving at 5.10 consisting recently of 3 2000 class cars, the 5.14 was 3 2000 class and the 5.18 was 4 2000 class cars. All these services were pretty full, standing room only. So in a period of 10 minutes a total of 10 railcars left heading south that were pretty full.

So how many railcars do you think the 5.20 semi-express to Oaklands has rostered.  5 - 4? - 3 - yep 3 cars.  They shoudl have at least 4 if not 5.

How many railcars can they fit in the stations anyway these days?  I remember many years ago of regular morning trips on 7 car redhen and 6 and 5 car jumbo services from Marino Rocks to the city.  These days the most you usually see are 4 car services.

Anyway, hopefully this week will start to see some changes for the better.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
He does work at Marion. It does make a difference for him, as he now has access to services that as train would not have stopped at Oaklands.
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
So how many railcars do you think the 5.20 semi-express to Oaklands has rostered.  5 - 4? - 3 - yep 3 cars.  They shoudl have at least 4 if not 5.

How many railcars can they fit in the stations anyway these days?  I remember many years ago of regular morning trips on 7 car redhen and 6 and 5 car jumbo services from Marino Rocks to the city.  These days the most you usually see are 4 car services.
"yoyoman"


I would love to see a few hundred people cram into a 4 car just to run express to Oaklands and then transfer on mass to buses  SurprisedSurprised

They should change the Tonsley timetables and make them express to/from Woodlands in peak and stop the express bus at Tonsley and the passengers can get on there.
  85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)
Update time again Razz

Track removal has progressed to just south of Hallett cove. Hallett Cove Beach has had all track and sleepers removed, to enable the station contractors to work in that area with out the tracksure machinery in the way.
Rail has been cut all the way down to Marino. Sleepers were still in place from the Field river bank to Hallett Cove. Sleepers were being removed and loaded in to dump trucks at Lonsdale and the Field river bank and taken away.
New welded rail was stacked under the Myer Rd bridge @ lonsdale, and lenghts of rail laid out for welding between Lonsdale Rd overbridge and O'Sullivan's Rd bridge.
Noarlunga centre has new drains installed between the platform ends and the beach Rd bridge, while the crossover was getting new weedmatting placed underneath it.
Excavating the old track base and ballast had reached the Elizabeth Rd bridge, with anther excavator transfering to truck for removal along side Christies Downs station.
The size of some of the machinery they are using on this project, just beats the Belair & Gawler line closures by a long shot. Mining articulated dump trucks and massive excavators just to name a few
  Thornaby Chief Train Controller

Might be worth a bit of a cycle with a camera then.

So when this latest upgrade is finished, what then? Shut Oaklands to Goodwood and run bustitutes again?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

G'day 85trainfan

Thanks for keeping us posted.

I am surprised at the existing rail being cut up, I didn't think is was that bad and it was heavy section, 42kg.

How did/does the new rail get to site and in what lengths? Is there a welding plant somehwere?

My only observation to date is of the signals on the Field River embankment. Some "clever" soul has "turned them off" by wrapping a black plastic bag over the red aspect. This only hightens my suspicion that signalling expertise is a challenge to whover is responsible for our trains.

Regards
Ian
  ikb Locomotive Fireman

Signalling has had to undergo a disconnect procedure, and will be recommisioned. It is an extremly thorough procedure.

Only some rail is being replaced.  The frequency of cutting is more to do with removing bad welds. All welds will probably be done using the thermit process. Rail is also stressed in about 100m lengths, so it is often cut at about that length to.

Rail is often delivered to site in 24m lengths by road.
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
So when this latest upgrade is finished, what then? Shut Oaklands to Goodwood and run bustitutes again?
"Thornaby"


Yep.

And another partial closure of the Gawler Line to complete the upgrade.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus

SOUTHERN suburbs rail commuters believe they are being treated like``cattle''.

They say that they are herded off  buses at the Oakland rail interchange.

The Noarlunga rail line was shut down last week from all stations south of Oaklands Park for six months to allow for major upgrades and maintenance.

Passengers must now catch buses along the rail route before being dropped at the Oaklands Park railway station, adding up to 30 minutes each way on their journey.

One female passenger from Hallett Cove, who did not want to be named, said the bus journey was "terrible".

"They (transit officials) can only do as much as they can, but a really irritating thing was last week when we were getting off the bus they (security people) were hitting against the bus like we were a whole heap of cattle, and saying hurry up, hurry up, the train is about to leave," she said.

"When I catch the bus at night I can't get a direct route; I have to go Brighton and Seacliff to get home. "

Nico Kruger, of Christies Beach, normally catches the Noarlunga train and said his commute was at least 30 minutes longer.

"I don't see the kids at night; they are in bed by the time I get home. I left the city at 6pm and didn't get home until 7.30 last night," he said.

Bree Hodgson normally catches the city-bound train at the Oaklands interchange and said her big problem now was parking.

"Because so many people are driving here as well, they have cut off the car parking (for buses to drop off passengers) so I have to now park on side streets and they are packed," she said.

Some residents near the Oaklands station have concerns over the number of cars parked in their streets.

Resident Pat Dew said her intellectually disabled son was picked up by bus in the mornings but that was now fraught with difficulty.

"The bus can't park next to the kerb and it blocks most of the road while we get him on the bus," she said.

In a statement to The Advertiser a spokeswoman for the Transport Minister Pat Conlon said: "While we don't have detailed traffic counts, anecdotally there has been minor increase in traffic on South Rd, Brighton Rd and the Southern Expressway."

Source: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/all-aboard-adelaides-cattle-class-express/story-e6frea6u-1226006571429
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  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
whinge, whinge, whinge

I would put up with it but why aren't they using Tonsley?
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
whinge, whinge, whinge

I would put up with it but why aren't they using Tonsley?
"mclaren2007"


Exhibit A


Exhibit B


Now given this line isn't used on weekends they could have repaired it long ago so that 3 and 4 car trains would fit on the platform. Alas no one had the foresight to do that.

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