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      62440 Chief Commissioner

    The worst kept secret is out and flyers are being handed out. The Noarlunga line will be closed for 6 months from Feb 2011 from Jetty Road to Noarlunga. Bus shuttle will operate from Noarlunga to Oaklands.
    Looks unlikely that they'll be able to instal electrification infrastructure as the contract is not finalised yet.
    Maybe they will have a shuttle from Tonsley to Noarlunga along the expressway which would be quicker for the southern stations.
    Hallett Cove Beach could have its unveiling on a train-free line.
    This presumably would free up enough trains so the 2000 class would not be needed.
    Posted: 18 Dec 2010 12:12

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      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    Well you either want a good and fast train service or you don't and the only way to fix all the problems in one fell swoop is to shut it down and rebuild it from the ground surface up. It is hard to keep trains moving when you have to pull up and relay all the track between those two points. I would rather a complete shut down like this and get it done in 6 months, than to do it a bit here and there and take 6 years or longer to finish it!
    Posted: 18 Dec 2010 15:24
      bobharris2002 Train Controller

    How about the line from Adelaide to Oatlands??????
    Posted: 18 Dec 2010 17:04
      2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

    Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
    How about the line from Adelaide to Oatlands??????
    "bobharris2002"


    Oaklands.

    Trains will continue to operate, but terminating at Oaklands. As for when the Goodwood to Oaklands stretch will be upgraded I assume that will come at a later time. Can't have the Noarlunga Line in mothballs for an entire year ...

    Some major work has already been carried out, including reballasting, between Ascot Park and Brighton.
    Posted: 18 Dec 2010 19:04
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    How about the line from Adelaide to Oatlands??????
    "bobharris2002"

    from DTEI website...
    Stage 1 of the Noarlunga line upgrade was completed in December 2009. This stage of works upgraded the Goodwood Junction, Oaklands Interchange to Sturt Creek Bridge and Jetty Road to Brighton Road sections of the track.

    Stage 2 of the Noarlunga line upgrade is scheduled to commence in February 2011.

    The Noarlunga line is being upgraded and works are being done in three stages to minimise disruptions to public transport users and improve efficiencies.

    Upgrade works involve:

    removing existing track
    refurbishing / replacing rail
    upgrading the base layer  
    installing new gauge-convertible concrete sleepers  
    improving drainage
    minor upgrades at some stations and pedestrian mazeways
    minor upgrades to five level crossings.
    Due to the substantial nature of the works, and to ensure the upgrade is undertaken as safely and efficiently as possible, the Noarlunga line will be closed between Noarlunga Centre Interchange and Oaklands Interchange for approximately six months during these works.

    Substitute bus services will operate between Noarlunga Centre and Oaklands Interchange during this time. More detail about these services will be available in coming weeks via this website and also at http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au
    To receive this information as it becomes available please join the project mailing list. http://infrastructure.sa.gov.au/RR/rail_revitalisation/noarlunga_line_renewal/comments_form

    Stage 3 of works will upgrade the remainder of the line and is scheduled for completion in 2012.

    Electric trains on an upgraded Noarlunga line are expected to be in service in 2013

    http://infrastructure.sa.gov.au/RR/rail_revitalisation/noarlunga_line_renewal
    Posted: 18 Dec 2010 19:16
      Thornaby Chief Train Controller

    I daresay Marion Council will be rubbing their corporate hands together with gusto at the thought of all the extra parking expiation notices they will be able to issue around the Oaklands area. Given the car parks are usually full as it is one wonders what will happen during the shutdown.
    Posted: 19 Dec 2010 02:24
      mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: recharging my myki
    This will be the time for the whingers to be out in force complaining about noise and removal of some non-significant trees
    Posted: 19 Dec 2010 10:11
      BillD Chief Train Controller

    As for when the Goodwood to Oaklands stretch will be upgraded I assume that will come at a later time.
    "2001"


    They may be waiting for Infrastructure Australia's 418 million dollar project to grade-separate the freight line at Goodwood and Torrens junction.

    Bill.
    Posted: 19 Dec 2010 10:21
      hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

    Location: no where near gunzels
    Steam4ian must be away on holidays, he hasn't started his rant about line closure yet.
    Posted: 19 Dec 2010 14:30
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    Steam4ian must be away on holidays, he hasn't started his rant about line closure yet.
    "hosk1956"

    He can save time and copy - paste the posts from the Gawler line thread.  Laughing
    Posted: 19 Dec 2010 14:32
      STT Locomotive Driver

    Steam4ian must be away on holidays, he hasn't started his rant about line closure yet.
    "hosk1956"


    That was my first thought exactly.  Laughing Someone's not going to be happy....
    Posted: 19 Dec 2010 21:52
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    I think he did mention in another thread he would be offline for a while.
    Posted: 19 Dec 2010 22:29
      Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

    I find it disappointing that once again, it'll be a case of 'Damned if you do, damned if you don't', when whingers are concerned.
    Posted: 20 Dec 2010 07:14
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    I find it disappointing that once again, it'll be a case of 'Damned if you do, damned if you don't', when whingers are concerned.
    "Maikha"


    That is so true Maikha they want a faster rail journey, but are not prepared to sacrifice a bit to get it. We all know that track can be completely relaid under moving trains though, don't we.  Kill Me
    Posted: 20 Dec 2010 13:21
      sr1180 Locomotive Fireman

    I find it disappointing that once again, it'll be a case of 'Damned if you do, damned if you don't', when whingers are concerned.
    "Maikha"


    No its not a case of Damned if you do, damned if you dont, its simply bad management.

    Why close railway stations for significant time (Hallet Cove & Beach) when the whole line is being closed in 6 months time?

    Oaklands is the worst spot to terminate the line. There will be significant congestion with buses. There is very little available parking. It will be a schemozzle.  Why didnt they upgrade the oaklands to brighton section in the weekend shutdowns (which they did part of), and at least extend the line to Brighton. This would get the buses away from the traffic and congestion around Marion, and be a much more tenable solution.
    Posted: 20 Dec 2010 13:53
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    It is probably because of the fact that passengers can interchange more easily at Oaklands with other buses that it is being done, if you cure one problem you create another!  Marion being a main bus interchange point gives commuters more choices of alternative transport.
    Posted: 20 Dec 2010 14:40
      defman70 Train Controller

    To be fair to the whingers... I think some of it is justified. If they were serious it could be done quicker but whilst Adelaide is still a car-centric city, there won't be much change. It's too easy for people to get around in.. parking too cheap and political parties don't live or die by public transport like other states.

    I remember being in Sydney and they closed the Bankstown line during January, totally rebuilt it and had it back on line by the time school went back. 24 hours a day rotating shifts.. it was fantastic. THAT was a shutdown... Unfortunately here that would never happen.
    Posted: 21 Dec 2010 13:07
      Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

    Am I correct that labour in general carrying out this upgrade work Mon - Fri 8am to 4pm, and not the 24hr rotating rosters that we see in other states?

    This is purely something that was told to me on the phone.
    Posted: 21 Dec 2010 20:12
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    Am I correct that labour in general carrying out this upgrade work Mon - Fri 8am to 4pm, and not the 24hr rotating rosters that we see in other states?

    This is purely something that was told to me on the phone.
    "Maikha"

    On the Adelaide - Mawson Lakes shut down, crews worked 7 days a week, but I'm not sure if there was also nightwork done.
    Posted: 21 Dec 2010 20:14
      poxbox3030 Train Controller

    Location: Train Control
    Guaranteed if you had crews working 24/7 you would then have the same people complaining about the noise and disruption to their sleep.

    You'll never keep everyone happy regardless of how it's done.
    Posted: 21 Dec 2010 21:06
      defman70 Train Controller

    They only ever work through the day... rarely at night.. and for the shutdown, yes it was only during the day.

    And yes, people would complain if they worked through the night, but again... it is only because we don't "live and die" by our public transport system. If we did, people would for the most part, put up with it and the job would be done in half (or even less) the time!
    Posted: 22 Dec 2010 08:12
      42101 Banned

    Location: Banned
    They only ever work through the day... rarely at night.. and for the shutdown, yes it was only during the day.

    And yes, people would complain if they worked through the night, but again... it is only because we don't "live and die" by our public transport system. If we did, people would for the most part, put up with it and the job would be done in half (or even less) the time!
    "defman70"


    Every shutdown i have worked in the Sydney metropolitan area and surrounds went 24/7 with very few real complaints and usualy ran for around 14 days at a time.
    Posted: 22 Dec 2010 13:18
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    People whinge here if you drop a pin on carpet, so God only knows what they would do if they worked night's here! It has been done in the past but complaints came thick and fast. The Outer Harbour line was all night work and lots of complaints, even though everyone was pre-warned months before about it! It is just an Adelaide thing by the looks as interstate it is accepted, but here the nimbys complain about just about anything and everything.

    Maybe a new slogan for our numberplates here, "Nimby capital of Australia"! Laughing
    Posted: 22 Dec 2010 15:06
      fabricator Chief Commissioner

    Location: Gawler
    People whinge here if you drop a pin on carpet,
    "David Peters"


    OWWW!!!
    Who put that here, its a waste of mining resources used to make this thing. Why in my grandfather's day people would never....


    Maybe a new slogan for our numberplates here, "Nimby capital of Australia"! Laughing
    "David Peters"


    They'd complain about the small font required to fit all that in.  Laughing
    Posted: 22 Dec 2010 16:42
      Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

    I'm sorry in advance, but have I missed something about South Australian's being the biggest pack of whingers in the State?

    I don't thoroughly understand why there is such resistance and anger towards the time taken for this upgrade, yet the labour not doing any overnight work to accomplish the completion of the project in less time? I honestly and genuinely don't get it.


    And once again... it seems a matter of Damned if you do, damned if you don't (And going by the reply of sr1180, Damned if you dare say anything).
    Posted: 22 Dec 2010 17:05

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