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      hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

    Location: no where near gunzels
    Can anybody supply some history of the 1300 class operated by G&W at Iron Knob/Whyalla? I have been looking at VRFan's photos on the SA page and have come too realise that they would be the ugliest loco's I have seen.
    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 14:19

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      2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

    Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
    ......the ugliest loco's I have seen.
    "hosk1956"


    I ought to show you a photo of a UK Freightliner Class 70 8)
    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 14:31
      Johnmc Moderator

    Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
    http://www.minnipa.au.com/peninsula-pioneer/bwdiesel.html

    Victims of the modern obsession with drivers wanting to see where they're going, it seems. Razz
    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 14:46
      newington Chief Commissioner

    Location: Here, very occasionally.
    ......the ugliest loco's I have seen.
    "hosk1956"


    I ought to show you a photo of a UK Freightliner Class 70 8)
    "2001"


    Or one of these



    Or 2001's aforementioned class 70 design

    Be glad that we have a more sane safety cab design Laughing
    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 15:29
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    http://www.minnipa.au.com/peninsula-pioneer/bwdiesel.html

    Victims of the modern obsession with drivers wanting to see where they're going, it seems. Razz
    "Johnmc"

    When you're running DOO it helps Wink
    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 17:50
      allan Chief Commissioner

    OK. I'm no expert on these locos, but I figure that they began in 1956, as standard EMD G8s and G12s, pretty much the same as the VR flat-top Ts. They've been modified (no!!!) more than once, and I figure that few of their components are now original. Renumbering dates from 2003: originally these were DE 01 to DE 09. DE01 and 02 were G8s, the remainder were G12s.
    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 19:02
      M636C Minister for Railways

    Many of the changes in the 1300s were quite logical and progressive...

    The muffler was required because the line runs past houses on the climb up from the wharves. The size of the muffler was determined by the need to avoid increasing back pressure which would decrease power.

    The projecting radiator on the rear resulted from a modification to DE8 and DE9 (which had no rear walkway as built).

    MKA just adopted these two changes, and built the new body around them.

    It looked odd but it was what the customer wanted....

    DE2 doesn't look exactly like it did now with a new cab and nose as T414.

    M636C
    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 20:38
      Roberts0001 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Perth, Western Australia
    Those CP locos like like the beak of a duck or goose!
    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 21:12
      ChrisDPom Locomotive Fireman

    Location: Bali, Europe, Perth (repeat)
    ......the ugliest loco's I have seen.
    "hosk1956"


    I ought to show you a photo of a UK Freightliner Class 70 8)
    "2001"


    I started reading this and was going to post back "don't" but was too late.

    70s started off being called Betty's (for Ugly Betty). This has been shortened to Fuglys. Work it out!!
    Posted: 25 Jan 2011 03:00
      ChrisDPom Locomotive Fireman

    Location: Bali, Europe, Perth (repeat)
    Just to add to the Fugly photo.

    What happens when the slings lifting a new 100+ ton Fugly break when it is 5m up in the air?

    http://martinturner.fotopic.net/p68663388.html

    Class 70 "Powerhaul" liveried 70012 will never turn a wheel in the UK (there are rumours it may become a seesaw). Fell back into the hold of the MV Beluga Endurance - ship went onto to Germany for repair.

    Insurance job!!

    Credit to Martin Turner in the UK getting this shot. A fugged Fugly!!

    $4.5m of scrap with a few salvagable bits covered in a nice paint job Laughing
    Posted: 25 Jan 2011 03:09
      Big J Deputy Commissioner

    Location: In Paradise
    Fair dinkum newington that CP Rail photo churned my dinner in my guts Puke

    That is the worst I have ever seen and I have seen ugly ones including Interail 423 class
    Posted: 26 Jan 2011 21:48
      newington Chief Commissioner

    Location: Here, very occasionally.
    Fair dinkum newington that CP Rail photo churned my dinner in my guts Puke

    That is the worst I have ever seen and I have seen ugly ones including Interail 423 class
    "Big J"


    All it really looks like is a 40 class with the front hood cut down, and extra windows Smile
    Posted: 26 Jan 2011 22:02
      emd4301 Locomotive Fireman

    Many of the changes in the 1300s were quite logical and progressive...

    The muffler was required because the line runs past houses on the climb up from the wharves. The size of the muffler was determined by the need to avoid increasing back pressure which would decrease power.

    The projecting radiator on the rear resulted from a modification to DE8 and DE9 (which had no rear walkway as built).

    MKA just adopted these two changes, and built the new body around them.

    It looked odd but it was what the customer wanted....

    DE2 doesn't look exactly like it did now with a new cab and nose as T414.
    M636C
    "M636C"


    Hi All,
           I can tell you of a couple of changes that have been made to the 1300/DE Class at Whyalla over the past 12 months or so after visiting the tramway a couple of weeks ago.

    Firstly I am glad to announce that the exhaust silencers that had been fitted to the DE's prior to their rebuild and then covered over during the rebuild have now been removed.   Also the whole ng fleet at Whyalla have now been fitted with a standard horn set after GWA and One Steel had received complaints regarding the noise and the different whistle tones that the different classes had fitted. The ng fleet has now been fitted with K5 nathans and they are very loud indeed.

    Here are links to a couple of pics for you of DE2 after rebuild and of my recent trip to Whyalla.




    EMD4301
    [/img]http://davensgallery.fotopic.net/p42915542.html
    http://davensgallery.fotopic.net/p68702142.html
    Posted: 27 Jan 2011 19:19
      Inspector Chief Commissioner

    Location: Gone to - I don't know..............
    Class 70 "Powerhaul" liveried 70012http://martinturner.fotopic.net/p68663388.html
    "ChrisDPom"


    Oooh, that is one seriously bent locomotive.....I saw photos of the 70 Class before my trip to the UK in August last year, and the term "fugly" immediately came to mind. When I got there, and saw them up close, Shocked  I saw no reason to change my opinion.... Spew

    As for the CP Alco:

    All it really looks like is a 40 class with the front hood cut down, and extra windows
    "newington"


    I'm pretty sure it's a modified Alco RS3, which was generally similar to the RSC3 (i.e; the 40 Class), the difference being the wheel arrangement - Bo-Bo, as opposed to A1A-A1A. I do agree, though, that for fugliness, the modification is up there with the PL Class.
    Posted: 01 Feb 2011 18:56

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