Toolamba - Echuca line reopening

 
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria


At present the junction is located out of the yard limits, with no signals, and a master key (?) securing the points for the main line.
"wongm"


Has this arrangement changed?  I recall the access was from the yard at Shepparton?  Could be wrong?

Regards
Brian
"bevans"

The junction was moved to the Shepparton side of the fuel sidings a few years ago (when the level crossing upgrades occurred?):
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-36.365788,145.425226&z=19&t=k&nmd=20100907

From there towards the station is single track, the old Dookie line tracks ripped up.

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  NR77 Chief Commissioner

* The Bridge east of Mooroopna was to be done (along with the other tasks, Toolamba bridge with its sinkholes, and the two Nagambie bypass overpasses ...) with a total shutdown for one month between Seymour and Shepparton.

Pacific National don't want to be separated from their Tocumwal income, so we get to have a service with a wooden bridge that actually SWAYS when you hit it at any sort of speed over 20kph .. (Why don't PN just divert their customers to Echuca for a month?)


Do we now have a lifetime speed restriction on that bridge?  Why does PN get to decide this for all the other users of this line? Train service (and quality thereof) is definitely on the table at the Shep News.
"574M"

From what I have heard the shutdown is going ahead with the Tocumwal freighters being diverted via Echuca for around a month in early March.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

* The Bridge east of Mooroopna was to be done (along with the other tasks, Toolamba bridge with its sinkholes, and the two Nagambie bypass overpasses ...) with a total shutdown for one month between Seymour and Shepparton.

"574M"

Thank you,





Pacific National don't want to be separated from their Tocumwal income, so we get to have a service with a wooden bridge that actually SWAYS when you hit it at any sort of speed over 20kph .. (Why don't PN just divert their customers to Echuca for a month?)


Do we now have a lifetime speed restriction on that bridge?  Why does PN get to decide this for all the other users of this line? Train service (and quality thereof) is definitely on the table at the Shep News.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,
Remember the two trestle bridges over the loop of Dry Creek just north of Kilmore East, had something like a 20KPH speed limit on it for many years adding something like 5 minutes to the Seymour timetable until FINALLY both were replaced only a couple of years ago.

Woodford
  historian Deputy Commissioner

At present the [Dookie line] junction is located out of the yard limits, with no signals, and a master key (?) securing the points for the main line.


Clipped and padlocked. In other words, out of use, but not actually abolished. Any movements to or from the branch need special protection - happened about a year ago for a track inspection.

If the Dookie line was ever restored for traffic the junction points would need to be properly signalled and secured.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic

If the Dookie line was ever restored for traffic the junction points would need to be properly signalled and secured.
"historian"


There is a photo about the boards some place of there being a track section missing as well where a ?council fixed a level crossing issue. no doubt something would need to be done to remedy that as well
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There have already been numerous requests for access to that line over the past 6 months.  Victrack has denied access.

Regards
Brian
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

If the Dookie line was ever restored for traffic the junction points would need to be properly signalled and secured.
"historian"


There is a photo about the boards some place of there being a track section missing as well where a ?council fixed a level crossing issue. no doubt something would need to be done to remedy that as well
"Galron"


Yes some one had a photo of a rail that had been ripped out of the roadway at a level crossing, white ants the reason ?
  themetptc Junior Train Controller

Location: Ballarat
There have already been numerous requests for access to that line over the past 6 months.  Victrack has denied access.

Regards
Brian
"bevans"


Did Victrack give a reason for their denial?  Seems illogical and against the current trend of trying to get freight back on rail, especially as Dookie only has grain which is the main issue at the moment.  Trying to find out Victracks motive for doing so.

Sim.
  Coils Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
There have already been numerous requests for access to that line over the past 6 months. Victrack has denied access.


This is an odd comment probably not based on fact because the Toolamba - Echuca line is part of the active RIL (rail infrastructure lease) that relates to rail lines in Victoria leased to V/Line Corporation. Therefore VicTrack has nothing to do with any line covered by the RIL. All matters are the responsibility of the leasee. In some cases not all land on a corridor is included in the lease and in that case land outside the lease is a VicTrack responsibility. VicTrack has sole responsibility to lines surrended such as Strathmerton - Cobram.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,
Remember the two trestle bridges over the loop of Dry Creek just north of Kilmore East, had something like a 20KPH speed limit on it for many years adding something like 5 minutes to the Seymour timetable until FINALLY both were replaced only a couple of years ago.


The two bridges on the down side of Kilmore East were not trestle bridges of which there have never been many (perhaps 5 in all) but stone piers with steel girders. The girders were at their use-by-date. The bridges in Victoria often refered to as "trestle" are correctly called timber pile bridges.
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Perhaps the main reason PN insisted on restoring the line to traffic was to provide an alternative pathway for the wheat and rice from Deniliquin.  The Bendigo line has steeper grades and with all the passenger movements on the single track section, there are fewer slots for freights.  Even if PN doesn't run the rice train, it would still take up paths for grain that PN would rather use.

While PN may run the odd train through to Tocumwal, this is not the real reason for their insistence.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

This is an odd comment probably not based on fact because the Toolamba - Echuca line is part of the active RIL (rail infrastructure lease) that relates to rail lines in Victoria leased to V/Line Corporation. Therefore VicTrack has nothing to do with any line covered by the RIL. All matters are the responsibility of the leasee. In some cases not all land on a corridor is included in the lease and in that case land outside the lease is a VicTrack responsibility. VicTrack has sole responsibility to lines surrended such as Strathmerton - Cobram.
"Coils"


You may be correct, however, there have been requests for rail access on the branch which have indeed been denied and recently too.

Regards
Brian
  MOM Chief Commissioner

Location: here, there, everywhere....
Requests weren't for Heritage Operations by any chance?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Requests weren't for Heritage Operations by any chance?
"MOM"


No. Grain

Regards
Brian
  Carnot Minister for Railways

So clearly bureaucracy is at work....

Is it safety concerns?  Signaling issues?  Lack of personnel?

To me it seems that with multiple players controlling/running rail, it's super difficult to make things happen quickly, and even more so when resources have had to attend to other problems (ie. flood damage).
  Coils Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
The reason why VLine would not entertain an application to run trains would be the lack of funding to address the residual infrastructure issues. As the wise man said "money doesn't grow on trees". VLine's funding arrangements are controlled by the state. There is virtually no money in the current and next years capital or maintenance budget for freight only lines. As they deteriorate to the point of untrafficability they are "booked out". This is the situation with Toolamba - Echuca.

The current works are a specific government funding package for this line only and is directly related to the need to close Seymour - Toolamba for serious embankment repairs. It seems pressure on government has produced this one off funding so that PN can continue to run trains to Tocumwal. The line speed will be 20 kph. There is a further bid for funding to bring the line up to a reasonable standard whereby it can sustain regular heavy trains such as the much talked about Deniliquin traffic. It is unknown as to the status of the additional funds. This current round is in the order of a bit over half a million whilst the full wocks are believed to be somewhere around seven million.

Of interest is the embankment works which are immediately on the up end of the Goulburn River Bridge at Toolamba. The embankment is slowly collapsing with material oozing out sideways at ground level. I have not seen the site but am told it relates to the additional embankment built when the river bridge was rebuilt around the late 50s or early 60s. It is likely that the additional material was just dumped along side the existing bank without any attempt to fully compact and key the two together. Water is possibly entering the formation at the top into the join between the two sections, flowing down the joint and out at the base on the original ground level. The current problems being experienced by the Glostershire Warrackshire Steam Railway near Cheltenham in the UK which are well described and illustrated on their web page show the type of issue.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton

If the Dookie line was ever restored for traffic the junction points would need to be properly signalled and secured.
"historian"


There is a photo about the boards some place of there being a track section missing as well where a ?council fixed a level crossing issue. no doubt something would need to be done to remedy that as well
"Galron"


Yes some one had a photo of a rail that had been ripped out of the roadway at a level crossing, white ants the reason ?
"Nightfire"




It's a bypass road around Shepparton to Katamatite and Cobram. Heavy vehicle traffic pushed the rail over due deterioration of the road bed at that crossing, which is adjacent the Campbell Soups factory.

Uh, the missing rail is not far away:

  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

Of interest is the embankment works which are immediately on the up end of the Goulburn River Bridge at Toolamba. The embankment is slowly collapsing with material oozing out sideways at ground level. I have not seen the site but am told it relates to the additional embankment built when the river bridge was rebuilt around the late 50s or early 60s. It is likely that the additional material was just dumped along side the existing bank without any attempt to fully compact and key the two together. Water is possibly entering the formation at the top into the join between the two sections, flowing down the joint and out at the base on the original ground level. The current problems being experienced by the Glostershire Warrackshire Steam Railway near Cheltenham in the UK which are well described and illustrated on their web page show the type of issue.
"Coils"


Is this the bridge In question ?

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102399.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102400.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102401.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102402.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102403.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102412.jpg





"574M"


The only way to fix this mess Is a full replacement of the crossing track panel and road surface.
  Coils Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Is this the bridge In question ?

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102399.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102400.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102401.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102402.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102403.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/102412.jpg


Yes.

The Weston Langford pictures show the original bridge with the new structure well under way on the up side. The temporary supports under the up end girders that relieved some of the weight of the failed up end abutment are shown in a couple of the shots. The girder arrangements of the old bridge are unusual in that there are three girder spans pieces joining at a cantilever junction in the second and fourth bays of the structure covering the five total spans of the bridge.
  r707 Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
A V/Line news article covering the renewal of an embankment near Toolamba, causing the Shep line to be closed for a month, with the return of freight to the Toolamba-Echuca line:


Track work to begin

Due to major track work buses will replace trains between Seymour and Shepparton from Friday (evening) 11 March until at least Thursday 7 April.

Trains will still run between Seymour and Melbourne.

The first service to be replaced by buses will be the 18:33 Southern Cross to Shepparton.

Customers should allow an extra 60 minutes travel time.

Checked luggage will not be available. Customers with special needs should phone 136 196 before travelling.

What is the work?

Across the next four weeks 400 metres of track will need to be removed and 8000 cubic metres (14,000 tonnes) of soil replaced to build a new rail embankment at Toolamba.

This is due to sinkholes that have developed along several hundred metres of track.

V/Line staff will be working in two shifts, 24 hours a day in an attempt (weather depending) to have the work finished by 7 April.

The works are critical and need to be done now to minimise the potential impact that could happen in the future should the track become damaged by an embankment slip.



In addition to the Shepparton track works, freight trains for the first time in several years will return to the Echuca / Toolamba line.

Motorists are reminded to be vigilant, slow down, and obey all signs at level crossings.
"V/Line"
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
I'm assuming the freights will have to work push-pull between Echuca and Shepparton (given that there is no run around loop at Toolamba)?

Anyone have any ideas of the likely timetable for the Tocumwal freight during this period?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
I'm assuming the freights will have to work push-pull between Echuca and Shepparton (given that there is no run around loop at Toolamba)?

Anyone have any ideas of the likely timetable for the Tocumwal freight during this period?
"VRfan"


If it was like last time, it was Dark O'Clock. Toolamba was reached around 0500.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I'm assuming the freights will have to work push-pull between Echuca and Shepparton (given that there is no run around loop at Toolamba)?

"VRfan"


The loop at Toolamba (If It Is serviceable) looks very short !

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-36.49212,145.337631&z=18&t=k&nmd=20100201
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Sleeper condition of the Toolamba loop looks every bit as good as the main line (Toolamba-Echuca).
A very rough guess would have the loop hold 12 flats.

With Tocumwal loading averaging around 20 flats lately and Mooroopna maybe 10 perhaps the oft repeated rumour of the train running 5 days p.w may finally come true.
  stillthere Station Master

Location: melbourne
The sleepers that are being put into the Echuca Toolamba line are the ones recovered from the Geelong -Marshall concrete upgrade.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
The sleepers that are being put into the Echuca Toolamba line are the ones recovered from the Geelong -Marshall concrete upgrade.
"stillthere"


Thanks for the confirmation - they didn't look new.

Rick

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