Toolamba - Echuca line reopening

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

When it's all said and done, the Toolamba line reopening has happened largely because of ongoing shutdowns of the Bendigo line due to RRL and other maintenance work.  It reminds me of the Maryborough-Castlemaine line being used quite a bit for freight during RFR works in 2004 or so.

But will it stay open?

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  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
For something different, G532 with X31 at the rear went through Tatura at 9:30 towards Echuca. Interesting, because for the last couple of weeks the train has been heading towards Toolamba at this time...

Rick
RustyRick

So it's  back to the original timetable? or was that a one off?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

sunrice announced earlier this month that all of their trains have been rescheduled to Run on the Toolamba - Echuca line on a permanent basis...........
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
sunrice announced earlier this month that all of their trains have been rescheduled to Run on the Toolamba - Echuca line on a permanent basis...........
trainbrain


With gas prices about to double in price for god knows why anyone need a briquette delivery in Kyabram?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

When it's all said and done, the Toolamba line reopening has happened largely because of ongoing shutdowns of the Bendigo line due to RRL and other maintenance work. It reminds me of the Maryborough-Castlemaine line being used quite a bit for freight during RFR works in 2004 or so.

But will it stay open?
Carnot

As I have posted umpteen times before this line was specifically re-opened for the reason that overheight containers could be carried (a bigger payload) on this route, whereas they cannot on the line via Castelmaine (tunnels restrict container height at Ravenswood & Elphinstone.)  The cost of restoring the Toolamba - Echuca  line to trafficable condition to carry this traffic was borne jointly by the Rice miller at Deniliquin and the State Government .   Remote control of the junction at Toolamba from Centrol is funded and part of the project, and typically of most signalling projects is dragging the chain .

Also funded and approved signalling projects  dragging the chain category :

1. Incorporation of North Geelong "C"  interlocking  into the Geelong Signal Control Centre .

2. Remote control from Centrol of the junction at Dunolly on the Mildura line .
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Thanks again for sharing that data.

How is the subplot junction currently managed ?

Is there any real value in removing North Geelong c ?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Thanks again for sharing that data.

How is the subplot junction currently managed ?

Is there any real value in removing North Geelong c ?
freightgate

I'm assuming you mean Toolamba and not subplot... Toolamba Junction is currently managed by the Echuca signallers driving out to meet the train at the Junction and setting the road. I believe there is also one person at Seymour that can perform this duty should Echuca not be in a position to meet the train at Toolamba.

The value in removing North Geelong C is that they don't have to employ a person there anymore and everything is central.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Thanks again for sharing that data.

How is the subplot junction currently managed ?

Is there any real value in removing North Geelong c ?
freightgate

The Grain loop requires  North Geelong "C" to be manned for train operation.  At the moment North "C" is not staffed for the late night  Overnight graveyard shift , and staffing on weekends is basically day shift .  

In 2013 a project was funded IIRC by the State Government which resulted in upgrading the grain loop dg track to take 23t axle loads and make it suitable for 24 hour operation .  

Dual gauge concrete sleepers replaced wooden sleepers on the full loop length, and funding has been allocated to incorporate the North Geelong "C"  interlocking functions into the Geelong signal Control Centre which will allow 24 hour operation of the Grain Loop.
In typical  signalling project fashion we are still waiting for the Nth "C" signalling project to be completed .

As a by product of the Grain Loop upgrade the  junction at Dunolly is to be resignalled and remote controlled from Centro in Melbourne.  This signalling project still awaits   completion also .
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
why not just extend the signalling hours at the box?  cheaper.  it can be useful to have local management with many trains.

how many trains would use the grain loop at geelong these days?  a lot less than 10 years ago.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Slightly off topic but complementrary to it.  What is the max length grain train the balloon loop at Geelong Terminal can accommodate???
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Slightly off topic but complementrary to it. What is the max length grain train the balloon loop at Geelong Terminal can accommodate???
Trainplanner

they have put 50 wagon trains through there. cant imagine that you could put anything much longer through. Anakie loop isnt overly big to feed the grain loop on the sg. the diagram i have has it at 1180m. not sure how long a 50 wagon 2-3 loco train is. Moorabool is an 1850m loop, but would hate to run around a train on that hill unless you had to. You would be back out to Gheringhap to run around from there.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Easy fit 50 grain hoppers plus 3 locos in 1180 metres.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Thanks.  I've noticed reference in photos just recently to 50 wagon grain trains.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

why not just extend the signalling hours at the box? cheaper. it can be useful to have local management with many trains.

how many trains would use the grain loop at geelong these days? a lot less than 10 years ago.
JimYarin

There are two objectives here.  VLP is keen to ged rid of the few remaining mechanical interlockings left in the country .  The two still to be incorporated of major note are at North Geelong "C" and also at South Geelong .  The older frames are expensive to maintain, parts are virtually un obtainable and new  CBI interlockings are much more reliable.  There are substantial staff savings  cost wise in eliminating North Geelong "C" , and in due course with South Geelong  (which at least can now switch out with straight through running) on the Graveyard Shift .  

The North Geelong grain loop is currently the busiest it has ever been with the overwhelming majority of grain now coming in by rail. Currently on Weekdays  5 - 6 trains through would be the norm .  Both bg and sg .  On sg grain comes from both the North and West and even from Southern NSW .  These trains proceed to two available run around points on the duplicated track between North Geelong and Moorabool .  A shorter train can run around between Thompsons Rd & Anakie Rd, and full length sg trains between  Anakie Rd and Evans Rd  .

Easter  Monday at  1630  there was a bg grain train unloading, a broad gauge MT waiting in the departure road to go to Ballarat, and a sg grain train from the North doing a loco run around between Thompsons Rd and Anakie Rd .
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
There are two objectives here. VLP is keen to ged rid of the few remaining mechanical interlockings left in the country . The two still to be incorporated of major note are at North Geelong "C" and also at South Geelong . The older frames are expensive to maintain, parts are virtually un obtainable and new CBI interlockings are much more reliable. There are substantial staff savings cost wise in eliminating North Geelong "C" , and in due course with South Geelong (which at least can now switch out with straight through running) on the Graveyard Shift .

The North Geelong grain loop is currently the busiest it has ever been with the overwhelming majority of grain now coming in by rail. Currently on Weekdays 5 - 6 trains through would be the norm . Both bg and sg . On sg grain comes from both the North and West and even from Southern NSW . These trains proceed to two available run around points on the duplicated track between North Geelong and Moorabool . A shorter train can run around between Thompsons Rd & Anakie Rd, and full length sg trains between Anakie Rd and Evans Rd .

Easter Monday at 1630 there was a bg grain train unloading, a broad gauge MT waiting in the departure road to go to Ballarat, and a sg grain train from the North doing a loco run around between Thompsons Rd and Anakie Rd .
kuldalai


Have just stumbled across this link in regards to North Geelong C and Dunolly -

http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/freight/freight-projects-and-initiatives/transport-solutions/transport-solutions-funded-projects#northgeelongdunolly
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Passing through Echuca  Sunday 27/04  noted a nice shine on the rails of the  Toolamba  Branch  .
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Passing through Echuca Sunday 27/04 noted a nice shine on the rails of the Toolamba Branch .
kuldalai


What sounded like a brace of X and T class locos belted North out of Echuca yesterday morning (Saturday) about 10am.  Presumably came off the Toolamba line.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
What sounded like a brace of X and T class locos belted North out of Echuca yesterday morning (Saturday) about 10am. Presumably came off the Toolamba line.
Calgully

Was G532 and X31.

The train went via Bendigo both ways yesterday due to Occo's on the North East line. Also, yesterday's Deni was an extra due to the cancelled service last Tuesday a/c the tree falling down at Strathmore on that windy Melbourne night.
  JasonJones Station Staff

Location: Pakenham, Victoria
Good Evening all,

I have just move to Tatura and looking at doing Trainspotting?

Does anyone have the Freight Working Timetable for this line and the tocumwal line?

Thanks

Jason
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
The links here should help you

https://corporate.vline.com.au/Network-Access/Network-service-plan

Happy spotting!  Tell us what you see, with pics if you can!
  JasonJones Station Staff

Location: Pakenham, Victoria
The links here should help you

https://corporate.vline.com.au/Network-Access/Network-service-plan

Happy spotting!  Tell us what you see, with pics if you can!
james.au

Thank James.
  JasonJones Station Staff

Location: Pakenham, Victoria
Hi,

So there is one train going from Toolamba to echuca 3 days a week and more if required.

Based on the timetables, there is no train coming from echuca to toolamba, are there trains coming the that way? I understand if it is diverted from the Bendigo Line.

Thanks

Jason
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Hi Jason

They used to run each way a couple of years ago, but it looks like last year V/Line has decided doing a big circle is the way to go. Toolamba - Echuca - Deni - Echuca - Bendigo.


Rick
  Catdog Station Staff

Location: Koyuga, Victoria, Australia
Up train through Koyuga about 2120 tonight. Didn't see what it was but my guess is rice train running this way tonight.   Not sure how long it would take to get over to Tat but keep an ear out you might hear it come through
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs


A lot of crossings between Mangalore and ... well, Shepparton, where there is asphalt have been dual gauged.  Can't vouch for the other side of Shep, although. LowndesJ515 might be able to.

Well (as a relatively new rail fan) you learn something new every day.

I've often wondered why a third rail exists at a sealed level crossing and it never dawned on me until now that it's for a possible conversion to standard gauge.

Thanks!
Apocalyptical
I recall the Mt Gambier line around Penola which was BG and the third rail from NG days was visible on the level crossings, not sure if it remains nowadays. The line was open when I saw it with the Bluebirds still running.
Often councils don't bother with removing rails in the road.
Unlike Victorian logic, the BG conversion was done with iron sleepers with holes for eventual SG conversion which was discussed in the '50s.
Funny how that discussion was happening again?

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