Auscision Models Blog

 
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

I also noticed via the above posts link, the Auscision release on April 6th of the NSW BDX wagon.
It has a remarkable resemblance to the Victorian ELX and derivatives. However from a quick search I've not yet found if they're the same size wagon.

I only ask, as on initial glance the resemblance has me wondering whether any potential similarities from a tooling view point might mean Auscision may look at also release the ELX and variants similarly to that of the BDX??

Figured I'd suggest this, as Austrains ELX,s are fairly rare to come by nowadays.

Regards
While the BDX is the same length as an ELX, every other detail is different.

The ELX started life as a lengthened flat sided open wagon (40 feet to 45 feet) and later versions had corrugated sides but retained the flat ends.

The BDX was developed from the BD which was 35 feet long with a central single door but which had corrugated sides and ends. The BD frame was deeper under the door, and this was carried over to the BDX where the deeper frame extends under both doors and between the doors.

The shape of the stiffening side pillars is different and the height of the sides of the BDX is less than that of the ELX

There were a number of SAR SGX wagons that were very similar to ELX wagons but these had corrugated ends like the BDX. They were the same height as ELX wagons.

Peter
M636C
The ELX were built as open wagons to start with,  however a batch of the same under frames were built to take the dam skips that were to be used on the new Chowilla dam these were classed FCD, these were the same length and identical as the ELX underframes and all were built new at Islington. However when that Dam had the plug pulled on it these underframes then sat around doing nothing so ELX type sides with SGMX type ends were made in the end to make them into SGX open wagons. The underframes were designed to have this done to them if the need arrived later. They are almost the same wagons though for all intents and purposes.

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  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

The Loksound that I know that are pre-installed, are the Select Range, as opposed to the fully editable V5 (or older V4 etc).
SA_trains

Are you 100% on this statement?
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
The Loksound that I know that are pre-installed, are the Select Range, as opposed to the fully editable V5 (or older V4 etc).

Are you 100% on this statement?
gw0071
Mostly,

The Auscision web page is quite clear that the SAR 600-class, NSW 86 class, NR class, NSW 422, VR C-class are all of the Select range. However, the NSW 44 class, VR B class is less precise. The 48/830 class according to my instructions came with a Select Decoder.

The SDS website clearly says an ESU loksound decoder, but it is not specific as to which. You should examine other producers websites to clarify.

Also, it is important to note that ALL current ESU Loksound decoders (Select, Select Direct and V5) are all V5 standard. And yes, this does confuse things. Apologies for not articulating this earlier.

Cheers,
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Auscision facebook posts note "Our DCC Sound models come equipped with ESU's latest V5 21 pin OEM decoder"
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Auscision facebook posts note "Our DCC Sound models come equipped with ESU's latest V5 21 pin OEM decoder"
Poath Junction
According to Matt Herman, the decoders are specifically made in China for Manufacturers. Thus OEM. The chips can be modified, as they are basically a light board with upgrades built in. A standard ESU Micro is plugged in. The Select Direct (Micro plugged into booster light board) can be purchased from ESU USA, but not the decoders that are classed OEM. See here...



http://www.esu.eu/en/products/loksound/loksound-select-direct/
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Interestingly, if you can get the use of a programmer, you can very easily load sounds onto a Select, Select Direct.
However changes were made to these V4.0 chips to only use ESU supplied projects. They are thus so locked. Friends much more knowledgeable than I suggest that ESU had to compete in the USA with Tsunami and Wow decoders at much reduced prices. It was cheaper to lock the V4.0 decoders than develop a new cheap chip. Compare the physical chips! they look exactly the same.
I have seen that Auscision 48 Class projects are advertised on the ESU (USA)  sound page, and the project can be loaded to Select Direct, thus I presume Select OEM can also be programmed? I did not think to ask.

The best selling point for buying Loksound decoders, is that unlike Tsunami, you can get individual sounds. Tsunami tend to offer a single engine which you use in 6 cyl to 20 cyl engines. Loksound have more than 60 variations. Also you can load them on and change them yourself.  I love the WoW's but I have sent several back to the States for repair or upgrades, as the promised programmer never eventuated. One rumor was that you could buy a project and load it on over the net same as music to your iphone?
Cheers
Rod
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

SA_trains, Poath and comtrain,

Thank you for informative responses. Much appreciated

I should clarify that the locos I am about to purchase do not require DCC/sound - I don't even require them to be driven, but that's not an option

My thoughts were to pay the premium for hardware which may be re-fitted to a loco which I would like DCC/sound

Hope this makes sense
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Auscision facebook posts note "Our DCC Sound models come equipped with ESU's latest V5 21 pin OEM decoder"
Poath Junction
Poath,
I have not taken the top off my 442's yet. I will have a look, when I find where I cleared them to, when I started work on my layout Sad
But they would be standard selects then, is my guess. Why would they put their projects on a much dearer V5.0? What puts a lie to this is ESU do not actually say what version their 21pin select is. All others are listed as V4.0 or V5.0, but not the select as far as I can see.
Cheers
Rod
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Just got a notification from Australia post that a package from Auscision is on its way.

Guessing the RUB sets have arrived and are being shipped out.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Just got a notification from Australia post that a package from Auscision is on its way.

Guessing the RUB sets have arrived and are being shipped out.
meh

Yep. Received my RUB set this morning in Brisbane.

Tony
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Just got a notification from Australia post that a package from Auscision is on its way.

Guessing the RUB sets have arrived and are being shipped out.
meh
Mail system is much improved! Yackandandah post office has my parcel at 10.00 am this morning
They must have changed the mail system again because the Arab had turned overnight into a week in past years!  Good on the new broom!!
Cheers
Rod
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Comprehensive project update on Auscision's Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

Even the Tangara's get a mention although no firm delivery date.

Tony
  a6et Minister for Railways

Comprehensive project update on Auscision's Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

Even the Tangara's get a mention although no firm delivery date.

Tony
brissim
Rather than trying the FB post, I received an email with the news, and a lot better pics in it as well.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Comprehensive project update on Auscision's Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

Even the Tangara's get a mention although no firm delivery date.

Tony
brissim

The Tangara must be an absolute nightmare to get right to still be at that phase.

The amount of motor and electronics visible is a shock, compared to my On Track Sprinter for example.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Comprehensive project update on Auscision's Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

Even the Tangara's get a mention although no firm delivery date.

Tony

The Tangara must be an absolute nightmare to get right to still be at that phase.

The amount of motor and electronics visible is a shock, compared to my On Track Sprinter for example.
lkernan
I expect the production model will have darkened windows like the real thing and you will have trouble seeing any interior detail like the V Sets.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Comprehensive project update on Auscision's Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

Even the Tangara's get a mention although no firm delivery date.

Tony

The Tangara must be an absolute nightmare to get right to still be at that phase.

The amount of motor and electronics visible is a shock, compared to my On Track Sprinter for example.
lkernan

On their Facebook page Auscision have replied to a similar query saying the production models will have darkened glass meaning you can't see any interior details.

Which begs the question that if this is the case, why have any interior detail (such as seats etc) at all?

Tony
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
For anyone interested, here is my poor photo of the cabinet at Rosehill.

  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Comprehensive project update on Auscision's Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

Even the Tangara's get a mention although no firm delivery date.

Tony

The Tangara must be an absolute nightmare to get right to still be at that phase.

The amount of motor and electronics visible is a shock, compared to my On Track Sprinter for example.

On their Facebook page Auscision have replied to a similar query saying the production models will have darkened glass meaning you can't see any interior details.

Which begs the question that if this is the case, why have any interior detail (such as seats etc) at all?

Tony
brissim
I often ask myself the same question of certain models about interiors of things that you cannot see into, again Auscision but upon opening up my CP brakevan models I found a complete near full interior in the centre that you could not possibly see into from a operating postion on your layout. I wanted to add a bit more weight into them as they were a bit light for my liking. So this full interior detail section had to be removed to add the extra weight into them and when the car is reassembled with the piece missing from outside you cannot tell the difference, so as Tony asked above why put it in if it cannot be seen. I could understand a passenger car with lots of large windows on the side having full interior detail but in those brakevans it is just a waste really.

And on the Auscision CP vans the capacitors that are in one end baggage compartment could have been placed in this centre section where they could not be clearly seen as opposed to being in the end compartment and clearly seen if the baggage doors are left open.

Walthers do this also in some Proto baggage cars they have full interior detail including in places parts that you can not even see if the baggage doors are left open. How many of us remove roofs of cars to check if the included a full toilet with stains etc in side the toilet compartments when the window on the outside is frosted so you cannot see into it. No one that I know runs his cars roofless so you can see all the detail clearly.
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

Comprehensive project update on Auscision's Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

Even the Tangara's get a mention although no firm delivery date.

Tony

The Tangara must be an absolute nightmare to get right to still be at that phase.

The amount of motor and electronics visible is a shock, compared to my On Track Sprinter for example.

On their Facebook page Auscision have replied to a similar query saying the production models will have darkened glass meaning you can't see any interior details.

Which begs the question that if this is the case, why have any interior detail (such as seats etc) at all?

Tony
I often ask myself the same question of certain models about interiors of things that you cannot see into, again Auscision but upon opening up my CP brakevan models I found a complete near full interior in the centre that you could not possibly see into from a operating postion on your layout. I wanted to add a bit more weight into them as they were a bit light for my liking. So this full interior detail section had to be removed to add the extra weight into them and when the car is reassembled with the piece missing from outside you cannot tell the difference, so as Tony asked above why put it in if it cannot be seen. I could understand a passenger car with lots of large windows on the side having full interior detail but in those brakevans it is just a waste really.

And on the Auscision CP vans the capacitors that are in one end baggage compartment could have been placed in this centre section where they could not be clearly seen as opposed to being in the end compartment and clearly seen if the baggage doors are left open.

Walthers do this also in some Proto baggage cars they have full interior detail including in places parts that you can not even see if the baggage doors are left open. How many of us remove roofs of cars to check if the included a full toilet with stains etc in side the toilet compartments when the window on the outside is frosted so you cannot see into it. No one that I know runs his cars roofless so you can see all the detail clearly.
DJPeters
The full detail is part of the suspension of disbelief thing that we need to do in order to 'see' that our models are really the full sized prototype...
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The RUB Cars look great from what I've seen of them (including a video of a Candy 442 leading a late 80s Candy RUB set).

What's everyone's thoughts on the green windows of the earlier sets?



Been trying to find colour photos of them from this era but had no luck so far.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The RUB Cars look great from what I've seen of them (including a video of a Candy 442 leading a late 80s Candy RUB set).

What's everyone's thoughts on the green windows of the earlier sets?



Been trying to find colour photos of them from this era but had no luck so far.
meh
The wide format book called Memories is a good source for colour photo's and shows a lot of the 1950/60's period where they show that normal green tint. Even when David Hill IIRC had the windows changed to allow for top opening of the windows if the air conditioning was faulty had the main window panel in green.

I think in the same book there is a photo of a carriage with the letter board side name SYDNEY - MELBOURNE DAYLIGHT. at Albury with the blinds drawn down on the side, several of the windows however were very much clear while the majority were a deep almost black green, that suggests a variation caused by the blinds and darkening the glaze.
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

The RUB Cars look great from what I've seen of them (including a video of a Candy 442 leading a late 80s Candy RUB set).

What's everyone's thoughts on the green windows of the earlier sets?
meh
The subject of green tinted windows was discussed at length when Eureka brought out their HUB cars with clear windows. Tinting was standard on the outer panes of all NSW air-conditioned cars. In practice, occasionally clear panes were substituted. I think there will always be argument and opinion on just how green, or dark, the windows ought to be.
  Oscar Train Controller

LOL, I remember the HUB discussions.  I didn't need any HUB sets but just like their windows I was clueless about some RUB windows being tinted green and was a bit taken back when the add on set for set 142 arrived. I bought that set to pad out an unfinished Silvermaz set, with clear windows. I think it'll be easier to colour in the Silvermaz glazing.

They stand out but honestly I've got no idea what they looked like in service.  Just added that bit of info to the list of something else I learned today. Similarly I bought set 144 and add on set and was assuming they'd have dark roofs.  It was only when some pre-production shots appeared I learned the difference there too.

In other news I noticed some individual carriages from sets 144 and 146 sold on ebay with prices from $200 to $360 for the ABS dining car. Yikes!  Makes you wonder what some countrylink carriages would fetch.
  a6et Minister for Railways

LOL, I remember the HUB discussions.  I didn't need any HUB sets but just like their windows I was clueless about some RUB windows being tinted green and was a bit taken back when the add on set for set 142 arrived. I bought that set to pad out an unfinished Silvermaz set, with clear windows. I think it'll be easier to colour in the Silvermaz glazing.

They stand out but honestly I've got no idea what they looked like in service.  Just added that bit of info to the list of something else I learned today. Similarly I bought set 144 and add on set and was assuming they'd have dark roofs.  It was only when some pre-production shots appeared I learned the difference there too.

In other news I noticed some individual carriages from sets 144 and 146 sold on ebay with prices from $200 to $360 for the ABS dining car. Yikes!  Makes you wonder what some countrylink carriages would fetch.
Oscar
That discussion brought in several photographs, many of which appear in several books, the Memories one and in one other of the Train Hobbies series shows a set and one carriage in particular at Canberra with varied shades, but again much of the differences are the result of the blinds being down on the inside. That is obvious in the one I previously mentioned at Albury.

The HUB & RUB sets each had the same tints in the windows, does the tint fade over time also the factor of the double glazing with the inside being clear may also affect the photographed appearances.

Unfortunately for me several of my slide collections that have good shots of these carriages are somewhere in cyber space as at least 4 district collections have gone missing of a computer over time.

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